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On September 24 2015 09:58 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 09:03 BisuDagger wrote:On September 24 2015 08:56 DarkNetHunter wrote:
Nothing terribly surprising, also nothing to worry about a lot.
His business is bound to require a huge amount of cash at the moment before their expansion can provide profits. This means they can't be throwing spare cash out to sponsor things for 'passion' when there is no benefit to their bottom line besides a vague marketing bonus to a non-target audience. There is no way Sonic could justify these costs to investors or business partners.
Anyone doubting Sonics passion just needs to remember what he's done for BW the last years, investing more than the entire foreign community in its complete existence has.
Let's not forget what TL.net's creators have done for foreign BW or 2pac's contributions! or everybody else's. Since foreign BW =/= only TL. But i think weighing contributions is pretty vain and naturally we all lack the oversight to make such statements. For instance, i know a guy who ran of the biggest and prestigious foreign Clan league - the BWCL for three years alone. Is he a big time contributor? Yes. Does anybody remember m4nu for what he did for us?i doubt many do. So let's stop making comparisons about contributions. Truth is, Sonic is a hero and in my mind, so are: 2pac Nazgul General_Mengsk Zerush Moon Yoda Largo Gecko Dingdang and a couple dozen others. i could add a hundred more names without even thinking too hard. What's even the point of comparing them?
can I be a hero too ?
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illuminatti signs started to appear in sbenu commersials and suddenly ssl is in doubt. I sense conspiracy.
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On September 24 2015 21:11 _Animus_ wrote:
illuminatti signs started to appear in sbenu commersials and suddenly ssl is in doubt. I sense conspiracy.
it all makes sense now !
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On September 24 2015 18:34 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 09:58 Cele wrote:On September 24 2015 09:03 BisuDagger wrote:On September 24 2015 08:56 DarkNetHunter wrote:
Nothing terribly surprising, also nothing to worry about a lot.
His business is bound to require a huge amount of cash at the moment before their expansion can provide profits. This means they can't be throwing spare cash out to sponsor things for 'passion' when there is no benefit to their bottom line besides a vague marketing bonus to a non-target audience. There is no way Sonic could justify these costs to investors or business partners.
Anyone doubting Sonics passion just needs to remember what he's done for BW the last years, investing more than the entire foreign community in its complete existence has.
Let's not forget what TL.net's creators have done for foreign BW or 2pac's contributions! or everybody else's. Since foreign BW =/= only TL. But i think weighing contributions is pretty vain and naturally we all lack the oversight to make such statements. For instance, i know a guy who ran of the biggest and prestigious foreign Clan league - the BWCL for three years alone. Is he a big time contributor? Yes. Does anybody remember m4nu for what he did for us?i doubt many do. So let's stop making comparisons about contributions. Truth is, Sonic is a hero and in my mind, so are: 2pac Nazgul General_Mengsk Zerush Moon Yoda Largo Gecko Dingdang and a couple dozen others. i could add a hundred more names without even thinking too hard. What's even the point of comparing them? can I be a hero too ?
approved (;
@Darknethunter: sure, i get where you're coming from. I was just in the mood to point out less known people and reminiscence a bit ^^
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Cant believe what i read and even i got warned for tellin what i think. For sonic its all about money, not about sc. tell me one thing where he didnt promote own stuff. His every tour had some kind of promotion and it wasnt for free. Are you so naive and blind?
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Bisutopia19368 Posts
On September 24 2015 22:13 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2015 18:34 oGoZenob wrote:On September 24 2015 09:58 Cele wrote:On September 24 2015 09:03 BisuDagger wrote:On September 24 2015 08:56 DarkNetHunter wrote:
Nothing terribly surprising, also nothing to worry about a lot.
His business is bound to require a huge amount of cash at the moment before their expansion can provide profits. This means they can't be throwing spare cash out to sponsor things for 'passion' when there is no benefit to their bottom line besides a vague marketing bonus to a non-target audience. There is no way Sonic could justify these costs to investors or business partners.
Anyone doubting Sonics passion just needs to remember what he's done for BW the last years, investing more than the entire foreign community in its complete existence has.
Let's not forget what TL.net's creators have done for foreign BW or 2pac's contributions! or everybody else's. Since foreign BW =/= only TL. But i think weighing contributions is pretty vain and naturally we all lack the oversight to make such statements. For instance, i know a guy who ran of the biggest and prestigious foreign Clan league - the BWCL for three years alone. Is he a big time contributor? Yes. Does anybody remember m4nu for what he did for us?i doubt many do. So let's stop making comparisons about contributions. Truth is, Sonic is a hero and in my mind, so are: 2pac Nazgul General_Mengsk Zerush Moon Yoda Largo Gecko Dingdang and a couple dozen others. i could add a hundred more names without even thinking too hard. What's even the point of comparing them? can I be a hero too ? approved (; @Darknethunter: sure, i get where you're coming from. I was just in the mood to point out less known people and reminiscence a bit ^^
I was just shamelessly giving 2pac a shout out because he can never have enough.
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On September 25 2015 00:26 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
Cant believe what i read and even i got warned for tellin what i think. For sonic its all about money, not about sc. tell me one thing where he didnt promote own stuff. His every tour had some kind of promotion and it wasnt for free. Are you so naive and blind?
of course he's promoting his stuff, he invests a lot of money in this, and if he can gain any attention to his product I really don't know why he shouldnt. it's a win-win, he's offering a show we want to see, in return he wants us to know his brand exists, and maybe if you're interested you'll consider buying it.
I fail to understand why it's a bad thing
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Bisutopia19368 Posts
On September 25 2015 01:07 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2015 00:26 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
Cant believe what i read and even i got warned for tellin what i think. For sonic its all about money, not about sc. tell me one thing where he didnt promote own stuff. His every tour had some kind of promotion and it wasnt for free. Are you so naive and blind? of course he's promoting his stuff, he invests a lot of money in this, and if he can gain any attention to his product I really don't know why he shouldnt. it's a win-win, he's offering a show we want to see, in return he wants us to know his brand exists, and maybe if you're interested you'll consider buying it. I fail to understand why it's a bad thing
It's the same situation for tasteless and artosis. They want to be casters and started by casting starcraft. They became very successful and extend their careers by casting across multiple games. It's a difficult career decision for them because they lose loyalty points to their original scene. Ultimately, they are doing what's best for them and I think that's just fine.
You are allowed to feel a little hurt that Sonic has spread his money across a span of games because you want what's best for you and the game you love. Ultimately, we just have to suck it up and be happy with where he has gotten us thus far and hope that he or someone else can pick up the torch.
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On September 25 2015 01:07 oGoZenob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2015 00:26 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
Cant believe what i read and even i got warned for tellin what i think. For sonic its all about money, not about sc. tell me one thing where he didnt promote own stuff. His every tour had some kind of promotion and it wasnt for free. Are you so naive and blind? of course he's promoting his stuff, he invests a lot of money in this, and if he can gain any attention to his product I really don't know why he shouldnt. it's a win-win, he's offering a show we want to see, in return he wants us to know his brand exists, and maybe if you're interested you'll consider buying it. I fail to understand why it's a bad thing
problem is he desnt offering a show anymore :D cause he doesnt need anymore sc. My point was he used sc thats all
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Japan11287 Posts
Sonic allowed guys like me to experience something that I thought I'd never be able to experience following the events back in 2012. Even if it was only the Challenge Day, it was still a dream come true to watch a live BW match in Yongsan. For someone to pull off a miracle like that, you can't deny the man's passion. If it was all about money, he would've never cared so much for BW as to try to revive it not only in the short term but also in the long term. You can feel disappointed/frustrated whichever it is but you can't deny his passion.
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Sonic's passion is beyond doubt to me. Running the early SSL's wasn't about money as he didnt net any plus in them, all that dedication in the early SSL's can't be denied. Then again it's sad he (seems to) leave Broodwar for now but it makes sense business wise. In contrary to Tastosis, i won't bear any ill feelings.
I dislike Tastosis nowadays not becasue they started casting other games, but because they claimed for all of them " to be their most favorite *genre* game ever" Who is going to believe Tasteless claiming first that a) Sc2 is the best RTS ever and b) see him stream BW under the description "passion realized" or something? It might make sense to do so, but as a viewer i feel cheated upon.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On September 25 2015 01:32 mca64Launcher_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2015 01:07 oGoZenob wrote:On September 25 2015 00:26 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
Cant believe what i read and even i got warned for tellin what i think. For sonic its all about money, not about sc. tell me one thing where he didnt promote own stuff. His every tour had some kind of promotion and it wasnt for free. Are you so naive and blind? of course he's promoting his stuff, he invests a lot of money in this, and if he can gain any attention to his product I really don't know why he shouldnt. it's a win-win, he's offering a show we want to see, in return he wants us to know his brand exists, and maybe if you're interested you'll consider buying it. I fail to understand why it's a bad thing problem is he desnt offering a show anymore :D cause he doesnt need anymore sc. My point was he used sc thats all
No, that wasn't the case. As mentioned, he invested a lot of money into it and also highlights his products at the same time. Sonic has been having SSLs for years before professional BW finished and has done it out of passion despite all the negativity, matchfixing stuff that came out back during SSL7 times etc...
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On September 25 2015 01:32 mca64Launcher_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2015 01:07 oGoZenob wrote:On September 25 2015 00:26 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
Cant believe what i read and even i got warned for tellin what i think. For sonic its all about money, not about sc. tell me one thing where he didnt promote own stuff. His every tour had some kind of promotion and it wasnt for free. Are you so naive and blind? of course he's promoting his stuff, he invests a lot of money in this, and if he can gain any attention to his product I really don't know why he shouldnt. it's a win-win, he's offering a show we want to see, in return he wants us to know his brand exists, and maybe if you're interested you'll consider buying it. I fail to understand why it's a bad thing problem is he desnt offering a show anymore :D cause he doesnt need anymore sc. My point was he used sc thats all
He invested hundreds of thousands of dollars into a game that was never likely to give him a good roi. There's no way he did this for the money. "No good deed goes unpunished."
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Cele u are not allowed to forget RUS_Brain in your list ^^ he sponsorized iccup ladder event, TLC, many russian lan, and so on =)
Dem i forgot other names, i feel like shit =/ Gecko come here explain to Cele what a real list is !
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On September 25 2015 20:06 Myujinsan wrote:
Cele u are not allowed to forget RUS_Brain in your list ^^ he sponsorized iccup ladder event, TLC, many russian lan, and so on =)
Dem i forgot other names, i feel like shit =/ Gecko come here explain to Cele what a real list is !
hehe i forgot the man of the hour, Rus_brain and his love for oldschool maps :>
So many people...
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This is heartbreaking news.. But it was very predictable that sonic would leave tournament hosting after his company would grow big enough. Sad
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On September 25 2015 01:32 mca64Launcher_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2015 01:07 oGoZenob wrote:On September 25 2015 00:26 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
Cant believe what i read and even i got warned for tellin what i think. For sonic its all about money, not about sc. tell me one thing where he didnt promote own stuff. His every tour had some kind of promotion and it wasnt for free. Are you so naive and blind? of course he's promoting his stuff, he invests a lot of money in this, and if he can gain any attention to his product I really don't know why he shouldnt. it's a win-win, he's offering a show we want to see, in return he wants us to know his brand exists, and maybe if you're interested you'll consider buying it. I fail to understand why it's a bad thing problem is he desnt offering a show anymore :D cause he doesnt need anymore sc. My point was he used sc thats all
That's incredibly ignorant. He never needed SC, and he spent countless hours maintaining the scene long before his league was on OGN. It's not even like he threw money at SC, he spent his own time off to manage 10+ seasons of the league. He put more than his fair share in.
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On September 23 2015 21:20 2Pacalypse- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2015 20:53 Chef wrote:On September 23 2015 09:50 Cele wrote:On September 23 2015 09:11 Chef wrote:On September 22 2015 17:22 Waxangel wrote:
I wonder if this means that SBENU is in financial trouble? Could just be pressure from his business partners to be more responsible. I can't imagine financial trouble when he's expanding globally and striking big deals. I guess it's not unthinkable he could have spread himself too thin. To me it sounds like he's spending every dime trying to make his company as big as possible. He could return to BW at a later date when he gets returns on all his expansion. Real properly produced Starleague isn't cheap to run, very different from the old Sonic days when he barely had to pay anyone. So it's easy to see how working it into the budget is difficult, especially if it affects the trust of his business partners who want him to care about their bottom lines. I wasn't expecting it, but I'm not really shocked either. The level of production quality vs the quality of the games was way out of sync. Kongdoo is a good middle step if BW is going to keep fighting. i think the quality of play was good. Granted this time Bisu/hero wasn't picture perfect, but overall i was pretty satisfied. Perhaps you're a bit nostalgic and don't recall all the mediocre games the OSL and MSL even gave us way back then? xD Coz i recall some. I don't think so, it's not even close. Might depend on what you're watching for though. Not even close? Are you basing this argument on the actual games you've watched or on a feeling you have that games can't possibly be on the same level due to a different way of practice nowadays? While it's very hard to compare, in any meaningful way, the quality of games nowadays to the KeSPA days, I think Cele is right and there's definitely certain amount of nostalgia involved in your opinion.
It's based on watching the games. Execution and strategy are poor in comparison. I've been watching the hybrid league recently, since I did not want to watch them when they were relevant. I think even at that point, the players in their current state could not take 1 game in 10 against the players in the hybrid league. Those games themselves were largely disappointing in their time.
In Chess you know a player is out of his preparation when his or her clock starts running down. In StarCraft you know it when they start making weird mistakes, or they begin the one track tug of war and forget about the overall game plan. The professional games before took quite awhile before you noticed they were out of prep. The games today they are out of prep after taking their first or second expansion (depending on the race).
Strategic ideas and insight are lacking in the games I've watched over the last two years. Once in awhile I see a game with a flicker of the imagination the game was once played with, but by and large the games are amateur and don't have a lot of fight in them. I kinda liked it better when larva just saved up gas for bullshit egg tactics.
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On September 25 2015 01:32 mca64Launcher_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2015 01:07 oGoZenob wrote:On September 25 2015 00:26 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
Cant believe what i read and even i got warned for tellin what i think. For sonic its all about money, not about sc. tell me one thing where he didnt promote own stuff. His every tour had some kind of promotion and it wasnt for free. Are you so naive and blind? of course he's promoting his stuff, he invests a lot of money in this, and if he can gain any attention to his product I really don't know why he shouldnt. it's a win-win, he's offering a show we want to see, in return he wants us to know his brand exists, and maybe if you're interested you'll consider buying it. I fail to understand why it's a bad thing problem is he desnt offering a show anymore :D cause he doesnt need anymore sc. My point was he used sc thats all
Yes, like he needed SC before, right?
You're absolutely correct though: this has all been a scam perpetrated by Sonic because he's a moneygrubbing capitalist hell-bent on those BW-dollars. Sonic is an evil and immoral criminal mastermind who's success is all predicated on his devotion to Brood War. He spent god-knows-how-much money, his time, his sweat, and his devotion to a game everyone else seemingly abandoned and declared "dead", for eleven consecutive seasons (each time bigger than the last) in a huge bid to swindle everyone of their money (except nobody else put money in?) because it's all about the money for him, right? Now he decides to go run and hide with his untold BW-dollars (seriously, tell me how much you think this guy made off of sponsoring Brood War, even indirectly) and he's apparently too busy with his other businesses and low-on-cash to try to cobble together another season of SSL, except he's really not, because his entire business model and the key to his success was sponsoring a game he (and we) clearly loves. Or does he? No, it was all so the crafty businessman could plug his wares to an audience that would likely not buy them. So he's going to simply abandon the game and everyone else (even though in the first post, assuming the translation is correct, and it seems to be, he says this is a setback). It's a huge conspiracy. It was always about money for Sonic (that evil, evil businessman) and not SC (even though it actually seems antithetical to keep pouring money into what many, many people would consider "obsolete"). We've all been conned (how, I'm not even sure). He was just using SC, guys. WAKE UP.
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On September 26 2015 18:12 feckless wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2015 01:32 mca64Launcher_ wrote:On September 25 2015 01:07 oGoZenob wrote:On September 25 2015 00:26 mca64Launcher_ wrote:
Cant believe what i read and even i got warned for tellin what i think. For sonic its all about money, not about sc. tell me one thing where he didnt promote own stuff. His every tour had some kind of promotion and it wasnt for free. Are you so naive and blind? of course he's promoting his stuff, he invests a lot of money in this, and if he can gain any attention to his product I really don't know why he shouldnt. it's a win-win, he's offering a show we want to see, in return he wants us to know his brand exists, and maybe if you're interested you'll consider buying it. I fail to understand why it's a bad thing problem is he desnt offering a show anymore :D cause he doesnt need anymore sc. My point was he used sc thats all Yes, like he needed SC before, right? You're absolutely correct though: this has all been a scam perpetrated by Sonic because he's a moneygrubbing capitalist hell-bent on those BW-dollars. Sonic is an evil and immoral criminal mastermind who's success is all predicated on his devotion to Brood War. He spent god-knows-how-much money, his time, his sweat, and his devotion to a game everyone else seemingly abandoned and declared "dead", for eleven consecutive seasons (each time bigger than the last) in a huge bid to swindle everyone of their money (except nobody else put money in?) because it's all about the money for him, right? Now he decides to go run and hide with his untold BW-dollars (seriously, tell me how much you think this guy made off of sponsoring Brood War, even indirectly) and he's apparently too busy with his other businesses and low-on-cash to try to cobble together another season of SSL, except he's really not, because his entire business model and the key to his success was sponsoring a game he (and we) clearly loves. So he's going to simply abandon the game and everyone else (even though in the first post, assuming the translation is correct, and it seems to be, he says this is a setback). It's a huge conspiracy. It was always about money for Sonic (that evil, evil businessman) and not SC (even though it actually seems antithetical to keep pouring money into what many, many people would consider "obsolete"). We've all been conned (how, I'm not even sure). He was just using SC, guys. WAKE UP.
sonic is doing the best for his brand,some months ago almost every game competition had sbene as sponsor,this is a very smart move from him,the youth is moving around here where sbene is popular at.also must be more economic too.
Sonic started promoting sinbal farm on afreeca doing bw events,thats how all this started.
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