EPTSSL12 in doubt - Page 2
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8941 Posts
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Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
It feels like a shame that it can't be the SC2 or LoL tournaments (wait is it a tournie or a team he has in LoL?) put on hold, but on the other hand, if they make some profit for him and the BW tournament does not, then it's not surprising. I don't expect this is the end of Sonic's involvement in BW. I believe he's just being very sensibly conservative about what promises he makes (or doesn't make), trying to be honest and make sure people's expectations are if anything lower than they should be, rather than higher. Lovetv Starleague 3 not happening was a let-down that no one wants to mimic. | ||
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Me_ToKa
Bulgaria309 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51710 Posts
On September 22 2015 20:01 Stratos wrote: It's possible that the last two seasons were the peak of post-kespa BW. We'll have to see but if noone else steps up after KSL2 and if Sonic isn't back then we'll probably see a lot of the top tier players leaving for military and the scene shrinking beyond repair. On the amateur and semi-pro levels, I think there's still going to be content for at least a few years to come regardless. And I'm sure we'd see some ex-pros taking part in those leagues and streaming, so it's not the end of the world. (It's still much better than foreign BW, in terms of sustainability.) Imagine going to Korea in five years to watch the finals of a super underground league played in a PC bang where you know most of the other players. Fishiking vs Olympus Bo5 for 10 pizzas. I'm already excited  the real winner there is obesity/diabetes. | ||
ZodaSoda
Australia1191 Posts
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jinyung2
Luxembourg1455 Posts
On September 22 2015 20:30 ZodaSoda wrote: It kind of sounds like hes lost the controlling vote in these types of Ventures for SBENU and that the board/CEO see Profit in working with KeSPA and Manchester, but do not see where SBENU gets profit or gains in running a BW tournament. I feel like this is the case too, business seems to be doing well but the board/higher ups/whatever see 0 profit in running bw tournament. in the end its about the money. seeing as though sonic says hes tried contacting other businesses regarding sponsoring and came up short im thinking maybe combination of BW not being very marketable and all this OGN high production quality shit must take shit load more money than the ghetto afreeca run SSL from before. | ||
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purakushi
United States3308 Posts
 Here's to hoping Sonic can work through this and have another great SSL. He should just focus on BW and LoL >_< | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51710 Posts
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looknohands119
United States815 Posts
On September 22 2015 20:50 jinyung2 wrote: I feel like this is the case too, business seems to be doing well but the board/higher ups/whatever see 0 profit in running bw tournament. in the end its about the money. seeing as though sonic says hes tried contacting other businesses regarding sponsoring and came up short im thinking maybe combination of BW not being very marketable and all this OGN high production quality shit must take shit load more money than the ghetto afreeca run SSL from before. Wait... Is SBENU not privately owned by Sonic? If it is, why would there be a board? That isn't usually how private companies are run. Also, why does Sonic say he would have to be doing all the work? I assume this means OGN has opted not to continue running BW Starleagues with Sonic next year? | ||
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Estancia
Korea (South)335 Posts
Hopefully if Sbenu becomes even more successful they will be able to host another SSL agian. | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On September 22 2015 21:44 purakushi wrote: Boo Here's to hoping Sonic can work through this and have another great SSL. He should just focus on BW and LoL >_< blizzard still significantly helping out with the bills for sc2 (unlike BW which is mostly SBENU sponsored). plus sc2 has sizable foreigner viewership,the broadcast adverts will help with his forays into foreign markets. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19399 Posts
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juvenal
2448 Posts
On September 22 2015 22:06 Estancia wrote: I think the reason for the this is due to the lack of funds after investing so much into various aspects of the companies (expanding, foreign market, sponsorship, etc), not because the company is doing badly. Hopefully if Sbenu becomes even more successful they will be able to host another SSL agian. what makes me worry is that if really big BW takes a hiatus of even as little as a year it may shrink to unrecoverable positions, especially with players like Bisu leaving for the military. The top1 priority for BW scene is to be compelling to younger guys imo and while something like Mong Starleague or Terror Starleague are fine for established BW lovers, they fail to fulfil that purpose. | ||
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jinyung2
Luxembourg1455 Posts
On September 22 2015 22:06 looknohands119 wrote: Wait... Is SBENU not privately owned by Sonic? If it is, why would there be a board? That isn't usually how private companies are run. Also, why does Sonic say he would have to be doing all the work? I assume this means OGN has opted not to continue running BW Starleagues with Sonic next year? no clue man I pretty much know nothing about business, also I guess saying "board" was kinda incorrect its more like just important people in his company (and other staff/representatives from companies he presented sponsorship opportunity to) advising against it? would suck if sonic was calling all the shots and some people advising against it was enough to deter him from running SSL12. RIP sonic's passion I guess he's lost interest lol no i dont think ogn is cutting ties or anything, but it seems sponsors pay up not only for prize pool but for many other things. at least thats the logical assumption, looking at ssl11's prizepool it was only around ~50 million won, but sonic states here that it costs several 100 million won, so obviously there is A LOT of money going into it that isn't prize pool. | ||
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Mirabel_
United States1768 Posts
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KameZerg
Sweden1778 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
I thought the last two SSLs were a success in korea? | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10627 Posts
BW HWAITING! | ||
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
On September 22 2015 22:37 Mirabel_ wrote: I'm a lot more optimistic than I should be about this. I think there'll be a turnaround Sonic has done this before. Telling everyone it's the end of the world and then 'magically' delivering anyhow. He seems very scared of disappointing his fans. He has been very positive lately before these news arrived, what with his own team and plans for a new proleague, surely this cant be it. | ||
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oGoZenob
France1503 Posts
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