EPTBGH Pimpest Plays - Page 2
| Forum Index > BW General |
|
skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
| ||
|
DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
| ||
BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
In the first, he builds 3 pylons to block the escape of some goons that are already dead, and the game is over. In the second, some guy kills like 6 or 7 probes with a vulture at the start of the game, but he doesn't do ANYTHING at his base for the entire time he's 'microing' this one vulture. The toss finally sends zealots to kill the vult and misses killing it, letting it run around more. There are some good BGH players, so I'm really shocked that this is the best of the best. Maybe I'm being to harsh, but I hope they get some better plays for their next selections. | ||
|
DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
| ||
|
Prose
Canada314 Posts
| ||
|
SoDrunk
United Kingdom291 Posts
They can only get better  (and hopefully will) | ||
|
Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On January 07 2007 09:26 GrandInquisitor wrote: This looks to be pretty hot. One of the benefits of money maps is that it allows some weird freaky shit not commonly done in low-money. Then why isn't Fastest in "Pimpest Plays"? I remember watching a "Fastest Pimpest Plays" on Google Video or Youtube, and they were so impressed about one Vulture that took down 4 Dragoons with Spider Mines -_-;;; | ||
|
EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
There's other replays on the site too. Some from noted hackers. | ||
|
rel
Guam3521 Posts
| ||
|
_PulSe_
United States541 Posts
| ||
|
Seku
United States313 Posts
| ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11601 Posts
On January 07 2007 16:56 _PulSe_ wrote: I just say we get some good players in TL-west and play BGH. That way we can submit our reps to this site and show them what pimp is supposed to be. I say TL tries to take all their pimpest plays. i second that | ||
|
Vin{MBL}
5185 Posts
On January 07 2007 16:56 _PulSe_ wrote: I just say we get some good players in TL-west and play BGH. That way we can submit our reps to this site and show them what pimp is supposed to be. I say TL tries to take all their pimpest plays. i third that | ||
|
evanthebouncy!
United States12815 Posts
Third! Somebody cmon comon?! :D | ||
|
Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
You people are too spoiled by progamers and whatnot. | ||
|
_PulSe_
United States541 Posts
On January 07 2007 18:05 Cloud wrote: I dont think you people really understand how micro is not needed that much in bgh, who the hell cares if you can kill 20 lings with a lone vulture, that will have relatively no effect in a money map. Thats why stuff like this which is extremely rare compared to low money maps is considered impressive. You people are too spoiled by progamers and whatnot. I don't think we are spoiled. I just think they don't realize what they do isnt impressive. If they are shown what real people can do with these it will blow their minds. Hey maybe we can revamp they way they play and make them better for it. Thats how I used to be, the moment i saw the first pimpest plays it opened up soooo many new doors to me that i thought were locked. p.s. I was waiting for someone to say " we v-tech players have been doing this sort of thing for years." lol | ||
|
Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
The problem with BGH is that in high level games, there is pretty much only one or two builds that you can safely use. Surprise, variant builds can work once in a while, but 95% of the time you've got to stick to the basics. Early game revolves around good control and coordination, after which macro and tech starts to play a major role. Since high level gameplay tends to be slightly one dimensional, opportunites for a "pimp" play dont arise. Most pimp plays on BGH would be about micro. Also, only 7 replays were considered for the ultimate winner, and none of these were of top players. And I assure you, top level BGHers have pretty good control. It might not be obvious in replays cuz we've all watched like 10,000 pro reps, but their micro is pretty solid considering they've never played competetively. Most of the posters here would lose on BGH to these players, 1on1 or team. I agree that there was nothing "pimp" about any of the reps. The vulture micro one wasnt good because the opponent had faulty micro, and because the terran wasn't macroing at all. The pylon block wasnt pimp because the goons were going to die anyway, and the game was already over. The rest were worse. However, just because seven reps of mediocre BGH players dont seem very "pimp" to you, doesn't mean you start generalizing that BGH players cant micro or macro at all, because thats not true. | ||
|
Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
On January 07 2007 18:05 Cloud wrote: I dont think you people really understand how micro is not needed that much in bgh, who the hell cares if you can kill 20 lings with a lone vulture, that will have relatively no effect in a money map. Thats why stuff like this which is extremely rare compared to low money maps is considered impressive. You people are too spoiled by progamers and whatnot. You're mistaken if you think "micro is not needed that much in BGH". Its needed just as much as in low maps, and early game in particular is heavily controlled by micro (and coordination), and the gains made during early game often decide the outcome. Making money faster on BGH means larger army sizes are reacher earlier and the capacity to recover is greater, but that doesnt mean you dont have to micro!!! Micro will help you win battles, take map control, gain and advantage, and help you win. Top level BGH players wont be able to set up a terran push as well as a top low player, or micro carriers as well as them, or mutas, or a toss army composed of zealot/goon/templar/dt/da/sair etc, but that doesnt mean their micro is by any means poor, and particularly their micro with early game units such as zealots, dragoons, mnm, zerglings, vultures, lurk/ling etc is very strong. | ||
|
Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
| ||
|
_PulSe_
United States541 Posts
On January 07 2007 18:18 Gandalf wrote: I think you guys are getting carried a bit away. Watching pro reps plus the fact you people are ingrained with the opinion that playing BGH automatically means you're inferior in terms of micro and macro means you're grossly underestimating their skill. Testie and idra went 4-3 vs one of the top BGH teams, and testie and daze lost 1-3. Fayth lost 5-1 I think on BGH vs one of kurals friend. Why? How can the winner of WCG canada lose to a "newbie" BGH player? Fayth next played kural on luna, and got ASS RAPED. I'm not kidding, that game wasn't even remotely close. Kural made fayth look like a complete newb. The problem with BGH is that in high level games, there is pretty much only one or two builds that you can safely use. Surprise, variant builds can work once in a while, but 95% of the time you've got to stick to the basics. Early game revolves around good control and coordination, after which macro and tech starts to play a major role. Since high level gameplay tends to be slightly one dimensional, opportunites for a "pimp" play dont arise. Most pimp plays on BGH would be about micro. Also, only 7 replays were considered for the ultimate winner, and none of these were of top players. And I assure you, top level BGHers have pretty good control. It might not be obvious in replays cuz we've all watched like 10,000 pro reps, but they're micro is pretty solid considering they've never played competetively. Most of the posters here would lose on BGH to these players, 1on1 or team. I agree that there was nothing "pimp" about any of the reps. The vulture micro one wasnt good because the opponent had faulty micro, and because the terran wasn't macroing at all. The pylon block wasnt pimp because the goons were going to die anyway, and the game was already over. The rest were worse. However, just because seven reps of mediocre BGH players dont seem very "pimp" to you, dont start generalizing that BGH players cant micro or macro at all, because thats not true. I don't think anyone here has said BGH players suck. And of course its just like fastest too. the "top players" in any of the types of games probably would rape someone who is just venturing into their domain. But like you say it even the top "greed" players or the top "cature the flag players" would probably be better than WCG champs in their respected field. That doesn't change the fact that a good majority of the players aren't top notch. There is a HUGE learning curve for players of these types of maps. You are pretty noob or crazy ass gosu. You usually dont find very much in between. | ||
| ||
