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Physician
United States4146 Posts
BGH Pimpest Plays Results
They vote every month on submitted replays for pimpest plays. Nice idea that came from our regular melee community, sclegacy specifically I think (or low money as they call us) and we kind of quit doing it. Maybe we should now copy them copying us again!
http://www.bghers.com/e107/comment.php?comment.news.58
List of top replays submitted
http://bghers.com/e107/download.php?list.20
Note a pimp play is a pimp play (i.e. they are micro or tactical feats.) Any community can understand these and enjoy them regardless the pointless debate about the differences between low and high money etc..
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
(and no I don't play BGH)
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Is there going to be a highlight video in the future?
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
This looks to be pretty hot. One of the benefits of money maps is that it allows some weird freaky shit not commonly done in low-money.
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damn, i locked down 8 carriers simultaneously yesterday but i forgot to save the rep
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Haha, awesome find Physician, can't wait to check them out. I kind of ashamed to admit this, but I've started playing with bgh communities because it's so (@*&ing hard to find a game now a days.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
Nothing wrong with BGH :p I remember when I used to play on it with friends years ago when we were little, it was sooo much fun, we played for hours haha.
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i just watched the one with the vulture micro against probes. the other ones either sounded terrible (like pylon block - oh, how pimp; or the firebat one where the opponent stacked the drones) or didn't work.
the one i watched, all of the players sucked, the vulture micro was really newb and did damage just because the opponent failed to spread his 12-or-so zealots (really really really terrible micro).
and i can tell they sucked even though i was never better than pgt c+ myself.
recommendation to all: don't waste your time. watch low reps.
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I'm a closet money map player too. I don't ever play the game anymore, and when I do log on out of nothingness it's way easier to find Top vs Bottom 3v3 money map.
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i hate east its all money maps 
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Oh well, it's better than fastest. I'll check it out.
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On January 07 2007 10:46 mR.Sephiroth wrote:
man,what a waste of time
take it easy
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On January 07 2007 10:46 mR.Sephiroth wrote:
man,what a waste of time
your a waste of time
cool that the community is being a bit more active, thx physician~
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On January 07 2007 10:46 mR.Sephiroth wrote:
man,what a waste of time
I sympathize with what he says, but probably not for the same reasons.
I watched a few of the reps, and they're kind of crap. Sure, the skills of the players are above average (and pretty much all can kick my ass), but there really isn't any wow factor. A lot of it was just luck or the opponents making some gross mistake and setting themselves up for whatever "pimp" move.
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They sure all suck ass, even I could beat them all. Oh and the vult micro omg, the toss could so easily have trapped the vult, but he just sucked. Oh well, it's kinda funny.
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On January 07 2007 10:11 Pressure wrote:i hate east its all money maps
definately not, just lower level gaming
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Nothing wrong with money map.
It's just brainless fun. Nothing wrong with that.
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
At this stage of the game, no one is interested in the low/high money debate.. zzzz.. enjoy what good you can get from ANY StarCraft community.
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United States4991 Posts
We play a lot of BGH RWs in TL-West actually, it's fun 
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I watched the reps and I must not have been looking hard enough because there was nothing pimp at all in the reps I looked at :/ Just ordinary team play bgh games -_-
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Also keep in mind that many of the people who play BGH do not frequent that site...Also, Daze + Testie lost 3-1 to some of the better known BGHers on BGH and Testie + Idra won only with 4-3 score...also one fairly well known BGHer Kural raped Fayth really, really badly on Luna
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Austin10831 Posts
I watched the top two, and they weren't pimp at all really.
In the first, he builds 3 pylons to block the escape of some goons that are already dead, and the game is over.
In the second, some guy kills like 6 or 7 probes with a vulture at the start of the game, but he doesn't do ANYTHING at his base for the entire time he's 'microing' this one vulture. The toss finally sends zealots to kill the vult and misses killing it, letting it run around more.
There are some good BGH players, so I'm really shocked that this is the best of the best.
Maybe I'm being to harsh, but I hope they get some better plays for their next selections.
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It's not the best of the best. Nobody even submitted any replays for the competition, so there wasn't much to pick from. I frequent the site so I know. That site is just a fun community site for BGH players, but it does not represent the best of the BGH players.
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I wish there was a Medium Game Hunters. 3v3 and 4v4 (and sometimes 2v2v2v2) are fun games, and there are no good maps for these except BGH. Ordinary Hunters just plain not good enough. And there's too many variants of Hunters-Gamei.
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I visit the site regularly as well. Although i agree none of those were what we usually see in pimp plays, but for the level of the players that submited them or were in the reps, it was for some of them. The better players simply didn't send in their reps and it's the first one they have done so guys go easy on them!
They can only get better (and hopefully will)
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On January 07 2007 09:26 GrandInquisitor wrote:
This looks to be pretty hot. One of the benefits of money maps is that it allows some weird freaky shit not commonly done in low-money.
Then why isn't Fastest in "Pimpest Plays"?
I remember watching a "Fastest Pimpest Plays" on Google Video or Youtube, and they were so impressed about one Vulture that took down 4 Dragoons with Spider Mines -_-;;;
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I find it fun to watch some super n00b action sometimes
There's other replays on the site too. Some from noted hackers.
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Noone in any of these reps, knows how to micro.
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I just say we get some good players in TL-west and play BGH. That way we can submit our reps to this site and show them what pimp is supposed to be. I say TL tries to take all their pimpest plays.
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Wow, that was incredibly underwhelming.
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Korea (South)11579 Posts
On January 07 2007 16:56 _PulSe_ wrote:
I just say we get some good players in TL-west and play BGH. That way we can submit our reps to this site and show them what pimp is supposed to be. I say TL tries to take all their pimpest plays.
i second that
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On January 07 2007 16:56 _PulSe_ wrote:
I just say we get some good players in TL-west and play BGH. That way we can submit our reps to this site and show them what pimp is supposed to be. I say TL tries to take all their pimpest plays.
i third that
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On January 07 2007 17:13 CaucasianAsian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2007 16:56 _PulSe_ wrote:
I just say we get some good players in TL-west and play BGH. That way we can submit our reps to this site and show them what pimp is supposed to be. I say TL tries to take all their pimpest plays. i second that
Third! Somebody cmon comon?! :D
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I dont think you people really understand how micro is not needed that much in bgh, who the hell cares if you can kill 20 lings with a lone vulture, that will have relatively no effect in a money map. Thats why stuff like this which is extremely rare compared to low money maps is considered impressive.
You people are too spoiled by progamers and whatnot.
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On January 07 2007 18:05 Cloud wrote:
I dont think you people really understand how micro is not needed that much in bgh, who the hell cares if you can kill 20 lings with a lone vulture, that will have relatively no effect in a money map. Thats why stuff like this which is extremely rare compared to low money maps is considered impressive.
You people are too spoiled by progamers and whatnot.
I don't think we are spoiled. I just think they don't realize what they do isnt impressive. If they are shown what real people can do with these it will blow their minds. Hey maybe we can revamp they way they play and make them better for it. Thats how I used to be, the moment i saw the first pimpest plays it opened up soooo many new doors to me that i thought were locked.
p.s. I was waiting for someone to say " we v-tech players have been doing this sort of thing for years." lol
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I think you guys are getting carried a bit away. Watching pro reps plus the fact you people are ingrained with the opinion that playing BGH automatically means you're inferior in terms of micro and macro means you're grossly underestimating their skill. Testie and idra went 4-3 vs one of the top BGH teams, and testie and daze lost 1-3. Fayth lost 5-1 I think on BGH vs one of kurals friend. Why? How can the winner of WCG canada lose to a "newbie" BGH player who cant micro for shit? Fayth next played kural on luna, and got ASS RAPED. I'm not kidding, that game wasn't even remotely close. Kural made fayth look like a complete newb.
The problem with BGH is that in high level games, there is pretty much only one or two builds that you can safely use. Surprise, variant builds can work once in a while, but 95% of the time you've got to stick to the basics. Early game revolves around good control and coordination, after which macro and tech starts to play a major role. Since high level gameplay tends to be slightly one dimensional, opportunites for a "pimp" play dont arise. Most pimp plays on BGH would be about micro. Also, only 7 replays were considered for the ultimate winner, and none of these were of top players.
And I assure you, top level BGHers have pretty good control. It might not be obvious in replays cuz we've all watched like 10,000 pro reps, but their micro is pretty solid considering they've never played competetively. Most of the posters here would lose on BGH to these players, 1on1 or team.
I agree that there was nothing "pimp" about any of the reps. The vulture micro one wasnt good because the opponent had faulty micro, and because the terran wasn't macroing at all. The pylon block wasnt pimp because the goons were going to die anyway, and the game was already over. The rest were worse. However, just because seven reps of mediocre BGH players dont seem very "pimp" to you, doesn't mean you start generalizing that BGH players cant micro or macro at all, because thats not true.
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On January 07 2007 18:05 Cloud wrote:
I dont think you people really understand how micro is not needed that much in bgh, who the hell cares if you can kill 20 lings with a lone vulture, that will have relatively no effect in a money map. Thats why stuff like this which is extremely rare compared to low money maps is considered impressive.
You people are too spoiled by progamers and whatnot.
You're mistaken if you think "micro is not needed that much in BGH". Its needed just as much as in low maps, and early game in particular is heavily controlled by micro (and coordination), and the gains made during early game often decide the outcome. Making money faster on BGH means larger army sizes are reacher earlier and the capacity to recover is greater, but that doesnt mean you dont have to micro!!! Micro will help you win battles, take map control, gain and advantage, and help you win. Top level BGH players wont be able to set up a terran push as well as a top low player, or micro carriers as well as them, or mutas, or a toss army composed of zealot/goon/templar/dt/da/sair etc, but that doesnt mean their micro is by any means poor, and particularly their micro with early game units such as zealots, dragoons, mnm, zerglings, vultures, lurk/ling etc is very strong.
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Also I'm not saying that the average BGH player is more or equal skilled than the average low player, because it simply isn't so. I myself am a low player, but I've been playing BGH as well for a while now, and I have friends who are low players and also tried BGH. We got into the top tier pretty easily, because with a little practice we were able to determine good builds and develop the basic timing and coordination needed. However, at the top tier of BGH players, you'll find people with solid micro and macro and excellent coordination, and its very hard to beat them. The average TL.net user, I am quite sure, will NOT beat them, as attested by the fact that testie/idra/daze went 5-6 versus them.
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On January 07 2007 18:18 Gandalf wrote:
I think you guys are getting carried a bit away. Watching pro reps plus the fact you people are ingrained with the opinion that playing BGH automatically means you're inferior in terms of micro and macro means you're grossly underestimating their skill. Testie and idra went 4-3 vs one of the top BGH teams, and testie and daze lost 1-3. Fayth lost 5-1 I think on BGH vs one of kurals friend. Why? How can the winner of WCG canada lose to a "newbie" BGH player? Fayth next played kural on luna, and got ASS RAPED. I'm not kidding, that game wasn't even remotely close. Kural made fayth look like a complete newb.
The problem with BGH is that in high level games, there is pretty much only one or two builds that you can safely use. Surprise, variant builds can work once in a while, but 95% of the time you've got to stick to the basics. Early game revolves around good control and coordination, after which macro and tech starts to play a major role. Since high level gameplay tends to be slightly one dimensional, opportunites for a "pimp" play dont arise. Most pimp plays on BGH would be about micro. Also, only 7 replays were considered for the ultimate winner, and none of these were of top players.
And I assure you, top level BGHers have pretty good control. It might not be obvious in replays cuz we've all watched like 10,000 pro reps, but they're micro is pretty solid considering they've never played competetively. Most of the posters here would lose on BGH to these players, 1on1 or team.
I agree that there was nothing "pimp" about any of the reps. The vulture micro one wasnt good because the opponent had faulty micro, and because the terran wasn't macroing at all. The pylon block wasnt pimp because the goons were going to die anyway, and the game was already over. The rest were worse. However, just because seven reps of mediocre BGH players dont seem very "pimp" to you, dont start generalizing that BGH players cant micro or macro at all, because thats not true.
I don't think anyone here has said BGH players suck. And of course its just like fastest too. the "top players" in any of the types of games probably would rape someone who is just venturing into their domain. But like you say it even the top "greed" players or the top "cature the flag players" would probably be better than WCG champs in their respected field. That doesn't change the fact that a good majority of the players aren't top notch. There is a HUGE learning curve for players of these types of maps. You are pretty noob or crazy ass gosu. You usually dont find very much in between.
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Yeah I was just trying to clear the misconception that ALL bgh players are newbs who cant micro or macro. You're right that you'll find a lot of shitty BGH players, but you'll find a lot of shitty low players as well. And while an average low gamer will have a good chance at beating an average BGH player on BGH, the latter wont have as good a chance of winning on a low map.
You did overlook one point though: kural, a top BGH player beat fayth, a top low player, on Luna, a low map.
I didnt quite get the last part of your post, about the huge learning curve. Are you saying the learning curve is greater on BGH? If so, I disagree. Low maps have a LOT more strategy involved, and that, amongst other factors, means they have a longer learning curve.
And I disagree with the statement "you are pretty noob or crazy ass gosu. You usually dont find very much in between". You'll find BGH players of all skill levels (relative to BGH players), because a lot of players tend to stop improving after they hit a certain point. I mean, if only practice meant you would always continue to get better at a reasonable rate, we'd all be nada's and boxer's right now.
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You have your points. And your right about the skill levels but it is relative to bgh players. What i ment by the lerning curve was that it is incredibly steep. Its like either taking the red pill or the blue pill. Most BGH players take the blue pill and consequently get made fun of on forums like ours. But those very few players that take the red pill get insain at BGH to the point where the skill can spill over into low money. I dont know why but i'm thinking up with like 80 metaphors for this. I'l spare you though.
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Lol 
I see your point, and maybe I would've thought that too, but since I've played quite a bit of BGH, I can assure you that there are a lot of people at various intermediary levels of skill between the best and the worst.
There are BGH players who play solely to relax with absolutely no desire to get better, and they'll never analyse reps, or try to learn builds or the techniques of micro etc. But most players who frequent BGH channels like motel/marlboro/op bghers etc, arent like that. Most of them want to improve, but how far they go is limited by their talent and by the amount of time they spend. The builds on BGH are fairly simple and exceedingly small in number (as opposed to the low community where new maps come out every few months, and dozens of builds are tried or theorycrafted before the viable one's are figured out. Even then, the viable builds on any one map outnumber the viable builds on BGH, and there is always room for "trickery"). So with only one map (BGH) that only has a few workable builds, learning them isn't hard, and most players are familiar with them.
Micro, macro, coordination and multi tasking are different though, and come with practice, just like with low maps. And due to varying amounts of talent and varying amounts of time spent playing, you'll find players at different levels of skill, smoothly moving from the very poor to the very good.
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thx for the post physician but i dont think i can watch another after watching the vult one :O...
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Despite like all the replays saying 1.14 I only got like one of them to work on 1.14. All the rest fucked up within the first couple minutes.
Also, enlighten me. What's considered a good BGH build? I'm curious what it entails and how it differs from regular map builds.
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On January 07 2007 19:18 EscPlan9 wrote:
Despite like all the replays saying 1.14 I only got like one of them to work on 1.14. All the rest fucked up within the first couple minutes.
Also, enlighten me. What's considered a good BGH build? I'm curious what it entails and how it differs from regular map builds.
Use penguin/bwlauncher when viewing them.
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On January 07 2007 16:56 _PulSe_ wrote:
I just say we get some good players in TL-west and play BGH. That way we can submit our reps to this site and show them what pimp is supposed to be. I say TL tries to take all their pimpest plays.
I guess Gandalf already replied to this but I'll just hammer it in again...Daze and Testie lost 1-3 to BGH representatives, and Testie + Idra only won with a score of 4-3 in a BO7. I already said that. I see that Gandalf has supported me as well. Fayth lost something like 1-7 to them as well in 1:1, on BGH AND Luna.
Idra and Testie were not "just venturing into their domain." Idra has played BGH many times (I've played him many times before he was "famous"), and I know Testie will even agree that he has played BGH plenty of times himself.
As has been stated before, the top BGH players are much, MUCH better than these replays show. These replays are an incredibly poor showing of high level BGH play because the site is not frequented by that many people and there were not many replay submissions. I guarantee that the average TL.netter will not beat the top BGH players. Many of them can play low money just as well; I believe Koolam, one of them, achieved A- or something like that on PGT playing one season with a good record and didn't continue playing past that point.
On January 07 2007 18:47 _PulSe_ wrote:
You have your points. And your right about the skill levels but it is relative to bgh players. What i ment by the lerning curve was that it is incredibly steep. Its like either taking the red pill or the blue pill. Most BGH players take the blue pill and consequently get made fun of on forums like ours. But those very few players that take the red pill get insain at BGH to the point where the skill can spill over into low money. I dont know why but i'm thinking up with like 80 metaphors for this. I'l spare you though.
The reason BGH playing people get made fun of on forums is because people like you feel some need to insult them, despite the fact that without them SC would be nowhere. Insecure nerds like you think that somehow this game is about skill to everyone, not about fun. Well, it's a game, and it's supposed to be fun...people don't play it because they want be the next damn Boxer, they play it because it's more fun to have an APM of 45 and play Fastest than it is to play for hours and hours so they can be D+ and still get raped sideways by everyone they play. How many of the games on Bnet do you think are Fastest and BGH, especially in the Western community? Without the "fun" community, this game would be nowhere near as widespread or "big" as it is today.
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100% agree with DarK]N[exuS.
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just close this thread, you d+ players know nothing about bghers (and bw either), its just ridiculous how some of you try to argue about a community u dont even know..
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On January 07 2007 09:16 Physician wrote:
(and no I don't play BGH)
why did u have to specify that ?
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On January 07 2007 20:54 LeJe wrote:why did u have to specify that ?
Probally to avoid the flames he knew he might get as a result if he didn't.
Thanks for sharing this, even if not the most spectacular thing ever. You really are a credit to the SC community at large.
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Osaka27149 Posts
What I posted in their forum thread about this:
Hiya-
My name is Manifesto7, and I am an admin at TeamLiquid.net
This is my first time to your site (thanks to Entropy) but I have enjoyed looking around.
Many of our less than intelligent forum members seem to think that BGH takes no skill, and that they would easily trounce BGH players. Instead of constant flaming though, I thought it would be nice to put together a little showmatch, where some regular forum members here could play some of our regular forum members. Not the professionals from either community, just the regular folks.
I thought maybe we could do a bo5 on BGH, and a bo5 on low money? Are BGH games usually 2v2/3v3 or is there 1v1 as well? Im sorry I dont know a whole bunch about it.
Anyways, if you guys wanted to have some fun and play some different people, let me know or send a PM to Manifesto7 on this site or teamliquid.net I will check back here in a day or two.
Cheers.
Any takers? Remember, this is just for fun. It looks like their community is really small, but they all use PP and they look like a manner bunch of guys. Anybody down for a showmatch?
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Yeah I just read your post and replied there.
There are very few players who play BGH 1v1, and even those who do play it less than team games. Also, most 1v1s are 6v7 games (a UMS BGH game rigged so that players always spawn at 6 and 7 positions on the map). So I'm not sure if they'll want to 1v1, but its really up to them.
For the low bo5, luna would be a good choice. Very, very few BGH have ever played any other maps, and most of those who have, have only played them a select few times. But its up to you guys and who ever coordinates this at the bghers.com end.
I think we (ie Manifesto7, since he started this) should get some 5-7 players from TL.net and post their names on that site. I think we should also decide on a format + maps and post them there, then let them make any changes they think are fair.
Maybe volunteers from TL.net who want to play should signal their interest in this thread? Manifesto can decide the final team I guess.
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well, fayth sucks. let's not get carried away. i've beaten him with my zerg (I'm a toss player).
but yeah bgh players are not that much worse than your average poster here. im surprised testie and daze and testie and idra lost to bghers 2v2 though. daze and idra must have been dead weight because testie is no slouch when it comes to mass money games.
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Hi all,
I have a confession to make. I'm actually the admin of bghers.com that takes care of the script/hardware side of things. When I was doing my routine check of the site, I found that Manifesto7 was our newest member and I was wondering if that was TL's manifesto so I came by here to search for his email to try to find some matches but finding this thread, it's obvious I wont need to anymore.
I'm quite pleased that talk of our site has generated so much discussion on tl's boards and even though I've been around tl for a long while, I didn't quite feel confident enough to bring up a subject as taboo as BGH (and instead just answered threads that were closer to my expertise... linux/hardware, scripting, etc.)
Before I go any further, I'd like to address our Pimpest Plays edition. It is a work in progress by one of our members (Terrangod) who felt compelled to contribute to the site and we gave him the centerstage of our site to display his work. Bear in mind that this is our very first edition of Pimpest Plays (of course modelled after the the Original Pimpest Plays (afaik by MnM? go bears!)) so there are a lot of kinks to iron out. We had trouble trying to decide which is the best and still our community is still hotly debating whether that pylon block deserves the top spot (as can be evidenced by the comments under the PP news). I'm pretty confident that by the time our second pimpest plays edition comes around, the quality should be much better as the lessons we learned from doing the first one gets realized.
Now, I'd like to address your site-to-site challenge. If you visit our site and poke around our news, you'll find that we've done these "showmatches" before. Most recently we had one vs NPNL clan (i still have to finish writing that article) and before that, we challenged the "fastest" guys over at scdream.com. Win or lose, as an admin I think this is a great way to generate more traffic and exposure to the site, to both our sites. This is great news. I'll let my team of admins handle the details of the challenge and communicate personally with Mani. Most likely you will be contacted by "lousy_robot" for venue, scheduling, rules, etc.
Most currently, we've just launched our first ever 2v2 Pro League games. I've just finished writing the scripts to keep track of the wins/losses and we also post the replays to these games on the site itself. These replays tend to be of higher quality and typically saved with penguin plug (bwlauncher).
I'm looking foward to the games btwn BGHers and TL, may the best team win!
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Osaka27149 Posts
So far I have one person PM me and say they are interested in representing TL, who else?
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I am doing a showmatch vs their best
Kural
BO7 BGH and BO7 on regular maps.
He's quite good at BGH, we went 13-0 vs their good BGH teams and considering Daze and I lost 3-4 was it?... That says a lot!
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
On January 07 2007 22:17 borg wrote:..even though I've been around tl for a long while, I didn't quite feel confident enough to bring up a subject as taboo as BGH..
Bah I eat taboo's for breakfast.. .
One word of advice Mani, its a trick - trap, don't fall for it! They pull out these unknown Germans out the woodwork and do rapage & pillage with melee players. Schnibl0r and Testie may smurf for them too! Both have some BGH loyalty still left in them. Schnibl0r came out of BGH community, at a pretty decent level too and Testie, he is liable to play for both camps!
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lol physician, dont worry. manifesto clearly explained: "where some regular forum members here could play some of our regular forum members"
of course, we'll just iron out the small wrinkles here and there, once we get together and hammer this out
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looks to be some interesing replays!
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United States4991 Posts
I play BGH quite a bit, I'd be interested in playing some games maybe
Not as good as Testie though! T_T
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Think this showmatch is a great idea. I think it would be a lot of fun. I also had an idea about maps. I read the thread on BGHers.com and they seem to like the idea Manifesto had with both BGH and Low money. However, I think it would be a fun idea to alter some old maps everyone know as well. Like Lost Temple. Edit it into Big Game Lost Temple and throw it in the map pool.
Hope this showmatch get done. I would play if TL.net would let me
Also nice to see different sites and different parts of the community get together and become closer and show the we are one community that all love the same game. Although we enjoy it in slightly different ways.
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i watched some of these and the one that was named somethingsomethingtemples] vulture micro and i expected some good micro but that guy was SOO HORRIBLE and for his micro he moves back and attacks and gets raped by lings. he could just use patrol and kill hundreds without being touched.
edit: dont get me wrong i totaly respect the high money competition, especially fastest map players cuz i used to be a good one.. lol and i was recently enlightened by one of the best fastest map players and i met him in a micro tourney game.. he showed me how fastest is truly played.
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Thanks for being the 50th person in this thread to say the guys vults sucked, I think we know now
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Osaka27149 Posts
So Far:
psychosis
chiflutz
~Legit~
have all signed up to play. We probably need a few more. If it is the right timezone I want to go, but how about you nexus?
Anyways, for a fun friendly showmatch, come represent TL.net!
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United States4991 Posts
Hey what Mani, I said I want to T_T
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Korea (South)11579 Posts
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Osaka27149 Posts
On January 08 2007 01:08 Manifesto7 wrote:
So Far:
psychosis
chiflutz
~Legit~
have all signed up to play. We probably need a few more. If it is the right timezone I want to go, but how about you nexus?
Anyways, for a fun friendly showmatch, come represent TL.net!
added hnr)insane and CaucasianAsian.
Im going to get in touch with their admins soon, and get some details ironed out. I will PM those involved.
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i volunteer myself, and CTStalker..
we have decent mechanics, and a fair understanding of BGH strategy
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Canada9720 Posts
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bgh it's fun.!!
i only play low money maps
but bgh it s the part of starcraft
and thx to bgh i play bw
GG. pimp
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Il play too if you want me. up to you.
And i already talked this out darknuxes. Why do we have to do this all over again. I never said all of them suck. I'm notgoing out and flaming them just to do it. In fact i tried to word my posts so they wouldn't come off right away as just another person trying to flame them. Of course there will always be people who develop into incredibly good gamers no matter what type you prefer, i was just saying that a majority of the games i join that are BGH i can take people on 3 at a time basicly. Its no offense to anybody.
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Id like to play if the time isnt too uncomfortable :p
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Teach me one of those few builds that work in BGH and I'll give it a whirl too. I'm still curious what those "few successful builds" are.
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Well I play SOME bgh... and usually eco-heavy builds are better than fast tank drop or stuff like that. I've seen zergs going 4 hatches before any lings (with the help of one or two sunks though) vs toss. And other weird stuff like that. I sometimes start with pylon, 14nex vs terr (yes, double nex at main) just to be able to pump enough probes.
But I'm not a "professional" bgh player. I've got raped by some guys with 90-110 apm on the darn map a lot faster than nony/testie beat me up. :D
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On January 07 2007 21:17 Manifesto7 wrote:What I posted in their forum thread about this: Show nested quote +Hiya-
My name is Manifesto7, and I am an admin at TeamLiquid.net
This is my first time to your site (thanks to Entropy) but I have enjoyed looking around.
Many of our less than intelligent forum members seem to think that BGH takes no skill, and that they would easily trounce BGH players. Instead of constant flaming though, I thought it would be nice to put together a little showmatch, where some regular forum members here could play some of our regular forum members. Not the professionals from either community, just the regular folks.
I thought maybe we could do a bo5 on BGH, and a bo5 on low money? Are BGH games usually 2v2/3v3 or is there 1v1 as well? Im sorry I dont know a whole bunch about it.
Anyways, if you guys wanted to have some fun and play some different people, let me know or send a PM to Manifesto7 on this site or teamliquid.net I will check back here in a day or two.
Cheers. Any takers? Remember, this is just for fun. It looks like their community is really small, but they all use PP and they look like a manner bunch of guys. Anybody down for a showmatch?
I take it if u dont mind. Im an average player. But into what i consider average, i play clan wars and stuff, so maybe you looking for something a lot more basic.
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On January 08 2007 06:47 CubEdIn[SoD] wrote:
Well I play SOME bgh... and usually eco-heavy builds are better than fast tank drop or stuff like that. I've seen zergs going 4 hatches before any lings (with the help of one or two sunks though) vs toss. And other weird stuff like that. I sometimes start with pylon, 14nex vs terr (yes, double nex at main) just to be able to pump enough probes.
But I'm not a "professional" bgh player. I've got raped by some guys with 90-110 apm on the darn map a lot faster than nony/testie beat me up. :D
Those builds are bad and stupid on BGH. BGH is essentially Hunters in early game, and later when your base is saturated you can play it like you had 2 bases in Hunters, cause it's near the same. But Hunters has 11 mineral patches I think (or 10, can't remember atm) and BGH has 15. P wars on BGH will still show good players cutting probes at 21 to add a 3rd gate and pylon without stopping zealot production, or 3 hatch linging.
It's still a good idea to expand in BGH, and in a good game you're not likely to be building up too much surplus even with 25 mineral patches and 3 gas. Contingent, as I said, on a gg.
On BGH, however, Protoss is by far the strongest race. They can reap the most of the high mineral start and progress most smoothly into teching past basic units.
I'd play for TL Mani but I think I might be playing for BGHers.
We'll have to see, I might not play at all if school turns out to be too much work.
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The zerg multi-hatch before units is a strategy I've seen in a BGHers vs mYm showmatch if I'm not mistaken, I'm not coming up with it.
As for 14 nex vs terr, I don't see any actual issue with this, since it's a decent strat on any normal-expo map, except that on bgh you can still just defend your choke. You still cut probes on 14/15, but you gain a bigger advantage in early-mid game. It's not a stupid strat. Maybe it's not the optimum thing to do, but I was just sharing what I've noticed so far. It depends on your take to the game.
There are a lot of small things we can argue about, but it's rather pointless. I don't know any good bgh players that I can train with, wanna go for a few games?
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On January 08 2007 08:22 TreK[cF] wrote:
bgh owns
Indeed. And Happy birthday to you TreK.
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On January 08 2007 11:31 CubEdIn[SoD] wrote:The zerg multi-hatch before units is a strategy I've seen in a BGHers vs mYm showmatch if I'm not mistaken, I'm not coming up with it. As for 14 nex vs terr, I don't see any actual issue with this, since it's a decent strat on any normal-expo map, except that on bgh you can still just defend your choke. You still cut probes on 14/15, but you gain a bigger advantage in early-mid game. It's not a stupid strat. Maybe it's not the optimum thing to do, but I was just sharing what I've noticed so far. It depends on your take to the game. There are a lot of small things we can argue about, but it's rather pointless. I don't know any good bgh players that I can train with, wanna go for a few games?
Multiple hatches before units is not abnormal. Is that abnormal in a low money game? Am I missing something here? 4 hatches before units is abnormal. I don't think I've ever seen anyone do that. 3 hatch yes, 4 hatch no. If you can show me the replay that would be good. I'm not talking out of my ass; I've played a very large number of BGH games.
I do not wish to sound insulting, but I don't think that you saw someone make another nexus in their main to increase probe production, or if you did it was not the mym vs BGHers showmatch....unless they were fucking around. NOBODY would do that. This is not fastest. Your minerals are nowhere near fast enough to do that. If you try to make 2 nexus before you even do anything, you will be RAPED by a good BGHer. It is definitely not a good strat. You might be able to pull it off in a 1:1 vs a T (but that would be stupid as hell) but more than likely you'd die, and if you did that in a 3:3 your team would probably leave and say they didn't want such a newb on their team.
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On January 08 2007 05:43 _PulSe_ wrote:
Il play too if you want me. up to you.
And i already talked this out darknuxes. Why do we have to do this all over again. I never said all of them suck. I'm notgoing out and flaming them just to do it. In fact i tried to word my posts so they wouldn't come off right away as just another person trying to flame them. Of course there will always be people who develop into incredibly good gamers no matter what type you prefer, i was just saying that a majority of the games i join that are BGH i can take people on 3 at a time basicly. Its no offense to anybody.
the majority of pub games you join on ANY map is going to have bad players..i dont know why you feel the need to say that you can take on 3 pub BGHers at once. whats your point?? is it supposed to make yourself feel better since youre not a good player?
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The only reason i said that is because i have taken 3. Like i said, this isnt just flat out falming but from my experience, they can't micro worth shit. Plus i wasnt trying to put anybody down or anything. It was to make a point. Alot of you guys are two-faced. In some threads some of you will flame the hell out of somebody who makes a common mistake but then turn around a defend people after someone says something and try to make comebacks over stupid shit. ITS MY OPINION. I mean even when i try to cover my ass and say i'm not trying to be offensive or that i wasn't trying to completly generalize, there will always be somebody who takes it personally and try to make some stupid remark. Chill out.
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On January 08 2007 11:31 CubEdIn[SoD] wrote:
The zerg multi-hatch before units is a strategy I've seen in a BGHers vs mYm showmatch if I'm not mistaken, I'm not coming up with it.
bghers vs mym showmatch?
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At least someone is doing PP.
-_-;
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Pulse, you are uninformed. You join random public bgher games and judge based on those experiences, yet you can join public regular maps and still make the same conclusions. Random players generally can't micro at all. Decent bghers know that, since generally ppp or pp is the best team on the map, that zealot micro and goon micro WIN games. Most any decent players can micro pretty efficiently.
For regular low maps, I'm willing to bet that a large portion of public players of those maps are just as bad as regular bgher players.
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bgh is basically all about non-tech units early game along with good micro and macro.
3 protoss is the obvious strongest races, but if you want to play with terran, it will be difficult, especially during early game when you don't have medics/stim, and progressing past m&m tech when toss has storm.
Playing with a zerg on your team (2p 1z vs 3 toss) is basically suicide provided the teams are balanced skill wise. you have to constantly make lings so your team doesn't get raped, while slipping in a drone here and there so you can slowly grow. even if you are able to successfully make drones, you will still have to rely on your teammates in mid & late game.
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On January 07 2007 11:10 DeadVessel wrote:your a waste of time cool that the community is being a bit more active, thx physician~
agreed
who cares, its not like bgh is anything like fastest, though you can camp in one base, and gosu sex micro are welcome any day
anyone wanna bother uploading the clips on youtube or something?
i dont feel like watching the reps =/
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I don't mean to offend you, Pulse, but dont you think you're making grossly incorrect conclusions here? I mean you're judging the entire BGH community based on some players you beat in a few pub games. Thats not saying much at all. I've won 1v2 on low maps playing pub countless times. Does that mean low players cant micro/macro for shit? No, of course not.
A good way to judge the skill of the average community would be to go to some regular clan channels. For BGH, thats marlboro/motel/op bghers/op x-men- etc etc.
I think someone from TL.net should keep count of all the volunteers, and maybe Manifesto7 should post a preferred format and maps. It doesnt matter if he posts it here or at bghers.com.
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Forum member vs forum member I would assess that the BGH community would win vs the tl.net community. (Discluding both sites well known players).
However, they are not as big, do not have the wide varieties of skill, thus are smaller and are more elite in general.
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Osaka27149 Posts
Im going to get to work on this in the next day or two. I have been PMed by many people, so I think we will be able to fill all the rosters nicely.
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On January 08 2007 13:31 _PulSe_ wrote:
The only reason i said that is because i have taken 3. Like i said, this isnt just flat out falming but from my experience, they can't micro worth shit. Plus i wasnt trying to put anybody down or anything. It was to make a point. Alot of you guys are two-faced. In some threads some of you will flame the hell out of somebody who makes a common mistake but then turn around a defend people after someone says something and try to make comebacks over stupid shit. ITS MY OPINION. I mean even when i try to cover my ass and say i'm not trying to be offensive or that i wasn't trying to completly generalize, there will always be somebody who takes it personally and try to make some stupid remark. Chill out.
pulse, just bcuz you say youre not trying to be offensive and that youre not trying to generalize doesn't mean that you aren't.....it doesn't cover your ass after you do it. saying that you can join most games and take them 1v3 after you've done it once or a few times is a huge generalization.
and you can be flamed for your opinion, especially if its grossly uninformed. i dont see why people always say 'ITS MY OPINION' as if that protects them for having an ignorant opinion.
edit: join pub LT games and you'll see that no one can micro either. pub games are bad, whats your point?
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On January 08 2007 20:24 Manifesto7 wrote:
Im going to get to work on this in the next day or two. I have been PMed by many people, so I think we will be able to fill all the rosters nicely.
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On January 08 2007 21:40 YoiChiBow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2007 20:24 Manifesto7 wrote:
Im going to get to work on this in the next day or two. I have been PMed by many people, so I think we will be able to fill all the rosters nicely. ?
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On January 08 2007 20:10 ToT)Testie( wrote:
Forum member vs forum member I would assess that the BGH community would win vs the tl.net community. (Discluding both sites well known players).
However, they are not as big, do not have the wide varieties of skill, thus are smaller and are more elite in general.
Your refering to games on BGH, surely?
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On January 08 2007 21:40 YoiChiBow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2007 20:24 Manifesto7 wrote:
Im going to get to work on this in the next day or two. I have been PMed by many people, so I think we will be able to fill all the rosters nicely. ?
On January 08 2007 20:10 ToT)Testie( wrote:
Forum member vs forum member I would assess that the BGH community would win vs the tl.net community. (Discluding both sites well known players).
However, they are not as big, do not have the wide varieties of skill, thus are smaller and are more elite in general.
So basically, Mani is setting up a TL.net vs BGH community battle on, well, bgh.
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Uhh no.
Its a TL.net vs BGH community battle on both BGH and low maps.
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I assure you that some of the players from the BGH community who will field the low money division will be B+ to A ranking on PGT level. That's assuming that they are able to make it (we are a fairly small community).
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Osaka27149 Posts
Nexus, it is just for fun, and will just be with regular forum members. If they send their best, that is fine, but isnt really what the point of the idea was.
I mean, I assure you, that some players from TL are A+ PGT. So what.
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Well obviously there are players on Tl who are A+. I am simply using empirical evidence to dispute the incredulity with which gokai approached the situation.
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On January 08 2007 20:10 ToT)Testie( wrote:
Forum member vs forum member I would assess that the BGH community would win vs the tl.net community. (Discluding both sites well known players).
However, they are not as big, do not have the wide varieties of skill, thus are smaller and are more elite in general.
Sounds like I'll need to practice then ;D
T_T I hate practicing, it's more fun playing random UMSes.
I'd kind of rather play them on BGH than low money actually, I play more BGH than non these days...
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Hmm. I just been browsing through the threads about this showmatch on BGHers.com and dude, these guys are taking this way to seriously.
Some of them seem to have huge difficulties to understand its supposed to be regular forum members and not the "elite". Also the fact that it is supposed to be forum members seem difficult for some to grasp. They ask if they can bring their regular teammates from outside of site. And here we are lining up a bunch of actuall regulars that never even seen each other play, much less played together. At least I haven't, except for some TMM with Insane.
Haha. Gonna be interesting.
And they talking about maps and stuff as well. Seem like maps will be an issue. Oh. I refuse to play Luna by the way. Not even if you pay me.
Maybe we should missinterpret the agreement and field our top noch and their outside allies as well? Gogo Testie!! And don't forget to bring your former clanmate Nal_rA. 
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
hmmm mani when will these be and will they all be team games ( 2v2, 3v3, 4v4? )
i might want to participate heh
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On January 09 2007 02:48 psychosis wrote:Hmm. I just been browsing through the threads about this showmatch on BGHers.com and dude, these guys are taking this way to seriously. Some of them seem to have huge difficulties to understand its supposed to be regular forum members and not the "elite". Also the fact that it is supposed to be forum members seem difficult for some to grasp. They ask if they can bring their regular teammates from outside of site. And here we are lining up a bunch of actuall regulars that never even seen each other play, much less played together. At least I haven't, except for some TMM with Insane. Haha. Gonna be interesting. And they talking about maps and stuff as well. Seem like maps will be an issue. Oh. I refuse to play Luna by the way. Not even if you pay me. Maybe we should missinterpret the agreement and field our top noch and their outside allies as well? Gogo Testie!! And don't forget to bring your former clanmate Nal_rA.
Your post is correct only on one point: that this showmatch is more important for the BGH community. After all, the OSL, MSL, Proleague, WCG, WGTour, PGT etc etc aren't on BGH.
That does NOT mean they're putting out their best possible team. Its been made clear that this is a showmatch between regular forum members (ie whoever volunteers), and that hDn members will NOT take part. They've set up a registration page (I'm surprised you missed that, the sign for that is HUGE), and everyone and anyone is encourage to sign up and play. Teams will be made depending on the number of players that eventually sign up, and absolutely no preference will be given to better players.
Also, pretty much the only low map BGH players are familiar with is Luna. So it would be really unfair to exclude it, unless, ofcourse, they themselves offer to do so. I suggested some older maps thinking they might have at least seen a few reps on them, but do you know what they said? That they'd rather play on the newest maps, even if they lost badly. They're entering this showmatch purely for the experience, and certainly not to win. And its not like TL.net is fielding their weakest team. I'm not aware of all the volunteers thus far, but I do know Cloud and Insane have come forward, and as far as I know they're pretty strong players.
I've already spoken to Mani and I invited him to choose the format and maps. He, of course, was gracious enough to ask for the input of bghers.com as well, as he wanted this to be as fair and as enjoyable an experience as possible.
Eventhough BGH players who haven't registered on the site aren't technically allowed to participate in this tournament, I personally dont see the harm in that. After all, TeamLiquid has been around for years and practically anyone who can play a bit has registered here. 24,000 members I think. Bghers.com, on the other hand, is in its infancy, and is still trying to get word of its inception around. It has only - and brace yourself for this - roughly 350 members. Its obvious that with such a massive pool of players, teamliquid will have absolutely no problem in coming up with a team. In fact, they'll probably have too many, and some will have to sit it out.
Testie is already playing vs koolam, I believe he mentioned that either in this thread or some other.
There is no doubt that bghers.com is taking this more seriously than TL.net, but not for the reasons you think. They don't want to make sure they win and create a "name" for themselves or show you guys up. No, not at all. They are very aware of the fact that this showmatch means exposure for them. Their main goals are to field a team of whomever volunteers, to interact with the TL.net players, and initiate a camaraderie between the two sites.
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On January 09 2007 02:59 alffla wrote:
hmmm mani when will these be and will they all be team games ( 2v2, 3v3, 4v4? )
i might want to participate heh
There will be 1on1s both on BGH and on low maps. This further goes to show that bghers.com is trying to be as sporty as possible. 95% of BGH players dont play 1on1, and the 5% that do, play it only 5% of the time.
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On January 09 2007 02:48 psychosis wrote:Some of them seem to have huge difficulties to understand its supposed to be regular forum members and not the "elite". Also the fact that it is supposed to be forum members seem difficult for some to grasp. They ask if they can bring their regular teammates from outside of site. And here we are lining up a bunch of actuall regulars that never even seen each other play, much less played together. At least I haven't, except for some TMM with Insane. Maybe we should missinterpret the agreement and field our top noch and their outside allies as well? Gogo Testie!! And don't forget to bring your former clanmate Nal_rA.
Way to escalate the issue, bud. have you ever thought that maybe because there are no actual "news or official announcements" about the showmatch, that a few people might just get some misconceptions on what the showmatch is about? not every member in bghers know about this thread just as not every member in tl know about the thread in bghers. So why dont you give em a bit of slack and let things develop a bit instead of trying to ruin things for everyone all around.
if you truly want to be completely impartial, you might also want to mention the other comments in the very same thread that reiterate mani's original intention. Unless, your ulterior motive is really not to follow the wishes that mani initially set out.
This showmatch announcement is hardly a day old, give it some time for people to pass the news around, official announcements, rules, formats all formalized, then judge.
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i'd like to play! pm with details when they're set!
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Furthermore, if I still haven't convinced you, I'll provide with the link to the registration page, and once signing up is complete, Teamliquid can choose their (BGHers) teams for every single map.
You also have to realize that the low map community being much, much larger means that they have a greater number of top tier players. In the BGH community, only two clans are considered top tier (hDn and the project-x/q team), and neither will be participating.
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Finally, I can't believe you read the entire thread at bghers.com and drew such grossly incorrect conclusions.
There was ONE mention of POSSIBLY recruiting a BGH player who wasn't registered on the site, and this is the response it got:
"T.C)ToR.TeD( this suppose to be fun games... and both tl.net and bghers.com said to use their REGULAR forum users..."
"Surado you should have read the post manifesto made . It doesn't state they want the best we have to offer, it actually says not the professions just the regular members for some fun games. We should stick to what has been asked and use regular members only. As i am aware they are not putting only their best players in."
"Ah, yea I see what you mean. If they put their best member. Ah Jesus ^^;"
These are some other comments:
"Sounds like it will be a lot of fun tho and hopefully a good mixing between the two communities and not about who sucks and who doesn't."
"lol im overwhelmed by the sheer number of people who responded, thank you! if you look at it from a percentage of the total population that's not too shabby at all. if worst comes to worst, we can even use a variant of the randomizer to determine who plays, after all its a friendly match.
seriously though, id like to get as many people involved as possible, you guys deserve the best"
"Sounds fun , i think that every1 that wishes to play should post a post here and we'll draw straws on who gets to play!! Must be fair! Afterall everyone of you are regular forum users!"
About choosing the teams, the following post was made by the admin:
"we'll have a true forum X vs forum Y showmatch divided into two categories since some of us are exclusive BGH players and others are multitalented.
first, you decide which team you want to be in. BGH only or low-money (or both). This guarantees that you'll get to play what you signed up for.
second, when TL calls for a BGH showmatch, we'll run a randomizer script to pick out the players/teams from the BGH pool. likewise for low money, when TL calls for low money.
I'm not sure how TL is gonna organize their guys, they can follow our model or just be a big mob, I think our system should work irrespective."
This is a forum member expressing his will to play, but a little unsure because he feels he isn't too good:
"I will play if simply to represent. My skills are < Rain,Surado,Free i.e but I am good mannered and play a reasonably good game on BGH and hunts. I will pair up in team games with anyone as well if they need someone. I am best at 3v3 team games and average at 2v2 and 1v1 games. If you do not want me to play because of my skill level thats ok too. I am a big boy and can take constructive criticism and rejection lol. I just enjoy playing and can be on almost any night available to others."
This is the response he got:
"ha dont worry, our goal here is to try to include everyone. we're not out to destroy the TL folks, its simply a friendly match to promote more dialogue and goodwill btwn the two communities.
that said, we'll def pull out our secret weapons from kazakhstan at the last minute, we just wont tell the TL folks about until its too late for them to adjust "
There was ONE suggestion of koolam playing, and this was the response:
"We cant pick koolam because they already know hDn are the best BGH team, and they've clearly stated they want a showmatch between regular forum members."
This is a discussion between two forum members regarding the choice of maps:
Memeber A:
Also it would be more fun if all our matches for low maps weren't on luna. Why dont you people start giving suggestions about other low maps we could include? Make sure you know them a bit though. I'd especially like to see the suggestions of RaiN and Surado in this regard.
I dont think we'll have any problems at all coming up with players for our BGH matches.
Member B:
Maps shouldn't be only on Luna, but I think it should be played in different map.
My optimum choice would be Longinus 2, Peaks of Baekdu, Reverse Temple, Big Game Hunters, The Hunters KPGA or The Huntress.
Member A:
I doubt anyone other than you and Rain (and me, but I'm not playing) would be familiar with more recent pro maps like longinus. Maybe we should stick to slightly older maps, theres a better chance that some BGHers will be familiar with them. These are the maps that come to mind:
azalea
blade storm
lost temple
luna
gaema gowon
dahlia of jungle
gaia
guillotine
incubus
nostalgia
paranoid android
Requiem
Rush Hour
Ride of Valkyries
R Point
Member B:
Hmm.. No Loki, I think we should play the new maps. They don't play BGH regularly too? And although we are doing a good friendly showmatch, it is true that some of the Tl.net members think we are some noob that don't play low money map. So I strongly suggest that we play the newer maps. A couple of games with the background of good experience in low money map would easily allow the player to adapt to these maps.
Member A:
Thats a good point. How about we mix it up? A couple of new maps (longinus, baekdu), and a couple of relatively old maps (eg from the list I provided). Also bear in mind they'll have suggestions too, so its not like we're choosing all the low maps.
This conversation was followed by bghers.com inviting Manifesto to choose the maps. He, of course, wouldn't have any of that, and asked for our suggestions as well. In the end I believe we will decide on a map pool that is acceptable to both teams and fun to play on.
These posts should make it abundantly clear that your impression that bghers.com is out to win this at all cost is COMPLETELY incorrect.
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Hehe. Misinterpretation is the mother of all fuck ups. Gandlaf and borg missinterpreted my post here.
First Gandalf. No, I didn't click thier sign-up list. Yes I saw the link. I didnt check it because I would have no idea who they are anyways. It was just the impression I got from reading the threads that some seem to think it's a "we must win this prestigiuos (s?) event!". And some others in thread pointed out its a for fun showmatch. Yes, I saw that.
About who their players will be I really don't care. If they want to field thier best and some outsiders, I have no problem with that. I want to participate anyways because I think it will be fun and it could be a chance to bring the sites and the community closer together. That Testie and Nal_rA comment was meant as a joke. Perhaps you didn't get that. Or I was just fussy. If so I apologize.
The Luna comment was also a personal opinion. I meant that I will not play on it. At least not 1v1. If their and our players want it in the map pool thats perfectly fine. I can always command my forces on some other map, right?
borg: Ofcourse I don't have some ulteriour motive not to follow Manis initial wishes. His idea was why I thought this would be a really fun thing and why I want to be a part of it. And as I said, I saw posts in their thread explaining Manis idea as well.
Also I see why this can be a bigger deal for them, since BGHers usually are treated as newbs and idiots by low money players, as you can see in other posts in this thread. However, thats not how I feel at all. But I never said that they all are out to try and win this at all costs
My previous post was not meant as condencending or anything like that. Just pointing out that some of them wanted to pull out the best can can possibly offer.
Saw you made more posts while I was typing this Gandalf. All I can say is chill man. I'm not stupid. I can read. And yes i read the entire thread. Perhaps YOU are the one taking this way to serious?
Sorry for causing even more confusion and missunterstandings. I'll shut up now.
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Neither me nor borg are ruffled (in fact, we're very chill ). It did occur to me that your post was mere raillery, but there was still a slight possibility that it was serious opinion, so I couldn't take the risk of letting it go. I felt I had to clear the misconceptions lest other TL.net members harbor them as well.
My posts can now serve the purpose of hopefully clearing up any misapprehensions any TL.net member might have.
Cheerio!
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On January 08 2007 01:08 Manifesto7 wrote:
So Far:
psychosis
chiflutz
~Legit~
have all signed up to play. We probably need a few more. If it is the right timezone I want to go, but how about you nexus?
Anyways, for a fun friendly showmatch, come represent TL.net!
wait, are signups still open?
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I think they are, just PM Mani you want to play for TL.net.
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top bgh players definately dont have to hide when facing low gamers. i remember 2 guys from projekt (i think it was Q and X) who were leading the tables in 2v2 WGT ladder, they were even invited to ger team if i remember right, but refused to join. a lot of top low players also started their "career" on bgh, before moving on to low maps. i think this friendly war will be a lot of fun, gogo bgh community
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@psychosis.. ah well then, in the spirit of amnesty and good faith that the showmatch was conceived, i harbour no ill will either. i hope you will get a chance to participate in this event. if not, that's ok, i can already forsee more of these showmatches to come
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but 1v1 on bgh is not fun
only 2v2+++ is fun :/
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Braavos36375 Posts
what channel do the BGH people play in?
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on europe its "brood war bgh", not sure about us servers, but i think i heard something about a channel on us west that was like "op bghers" or sth.
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Europe : Brood War BGH
East: Motel
West: Marlboro
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On January 09 2007 07:26 tOOkOmA4U wrote:
on europe its "brood war bgh", not sure about us servers, but i think i heard something about a channel on us west that was like "op bghers" or sth.
Well, all three servers (excluding asia) have private channels for all the clans, but these will have people only if someone is idling, or if they have enough players for an inhouse game or racewar, or if clan members and friends want to chat in private. Otherwise, they'll hang out in Marlboro (uswest), Motel (useast), brood war bgh (europe) and op bghers (on all three as far as I know).
The great thing about op bghers is the bot. If you have 4, 6, or 8 players, they can "register" to the bot by typing /me. The bot then generates random teams.
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Washington, D.C9933 Posts
On January 09 2007 08:42 BaboToss wrote:
Europe : Brood War BGH
East: Motel
West: Marlboro
man, motel
first year or so on starcraft i spent idolizing motelers, played with them for a year or so after that, and now i never go there
memories!
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id like to add something about the bot sitting at "op bghers@USWest". if you go there and type ".help" it will give you a list of publicly accessible commands. it's set up for the benefit and use of the general public, you dont need special access. more commands may be added later when theres significant reason and demand. you are all welcome to use the bot.
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