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xboi209
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1173 Posts
September 17 2014 06:06 GMT
#1241
I'd be completely satisfied with moving to Fish but their administration is hard to contact for cooperation.
http://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
September 17 2014 06:11 GMT
#1242
The problem is that Fish is difficult due to the language barrier (and latency for many, I daresay), and iCCup isn't under active development and is not that great anymore.
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10743 Posts
September 17 2014 06:17 GMT
#1243
doesn't matter, when it comes to familiarity people will stick to what they know , and the problem with language barrier is miniscule, if koreans are willing to try to speak english, grow a pair and learn to try and speak Korean. ICCup not being under active development and not that great anymore is completely irrelevant to this, unless your saying you are going to take iCCup's users which isn't going to happen and even if it did it wouldn't really benefit much as there is less than 200 users active atm and of which less than half are playing games lol...
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
HighdraL1sk
Profile Joined April 2012
United States140 Posts
September 17 2014 07:46 GMT
#1244
make haste!
DepressedOne
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
United States190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-17 10:37:20
September 17 2014 10:28 GMT
#1245
grow a pair and learn to try and speak Korean.


Learn to speak and write an entirely new language in under a year. No problem for GGZerg especially when he's telling others to do it at his own convenience. If iCCup users aren't going to bother switching over I see no point in creating starserver. All of the users who care to ladder are over on iCCup. I doubt koreans would want to go to a foreigner server with no english skills and the rest are just casual players on east server.

Holy crap just read your previous post in the last page what the hell. First, you're discouraging people from using StarServer on the starserver thread itself and wanting them to play on Fish and then you're encouraging Birdie to learn to speak and write korean so starserver can get up and running. Seems contradictory. Non korean bw enthusiast? You were so enthusiastic telling Birdie to hurry it up with StarServer a few weeks ago. I feel like most of your posts just involve being critical and discouraging others from doing things when it's not even necessary or productive.
Me sad.
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
September 17 2014 10:54 GMT
#1246
lol its not like you are expected to learn complicated korean literature, basic words and phrases is good enough to get you going in fish.

korean is already considered one of the easier languages in the world to learn, learning languages even basic stuff broadens your horizon and expand your knowledge. but i guess a typical internet user has too much attention deficit to focus on learning something new i guess.
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-17 12:01:10
September 17 2014 11:58 GMT
#1247
On September 17 2014 19:54 Probemicro wrote:
korean is already considered one of the easier languages in the world to learn,

what? let's not make things up.
McRatyn
Profile Joined January 2013
Poland901 Posts
September 17 2014 12:03 GMT
#1248
On September 17 2014 20:58 SnowFantasy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 19:54 Probemicro wrote:
korean is already considered one of the easier languages in the world to learn,

what? let's not make things up.

This is quite funny indeed.
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
September 17 2014 12:10 GMT
#1249
On September 17 2014 21:03 McRatyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 20:58 SnowFantasy wrote:
On September 17 2014 19:54 Probemicro wrote:
korean is already considered one of the easier languages in the world to learn,

what? let's not make things up.

This is quite funny indeed.


reading isn't too hard
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
September 17 2014 12:44 GMT
#1250
Yeah, maybe not easier to learn, but Hangul is supposed to be one of the more sensible writing systems in the world (in terms of phonetics). At least the Koreans are very proud of it.

The argument of Koreans learning English so we should learn Korean is pretty bunk though. They have years of mandatory English in school, they didn't learn it so they could play StarCraft with foreigners lol. Although maybe it was a fun way for them to practice. If you are interested enough in Korea you want to learn a bit of their language that's great, and more power to you if you learn enough small talk to get games, but an English speaking server is really important to maintaining an international community. English is the language of business and any country you travel to you can find someone who speaks English. It's the privilege and the curse of native English speakers that there is rarely an external motivation powerful enough to make you learn a second language.

I think Birdie deserves criticism for being so smarmy when he's delivered nothing so far, there didn't need to be a thread for this or vague update bumps. But whoever wants to go to Fish has already gone to Fish.

Here's a post from page 3 that's pretty accurate

On May 22 2013 22:20 Manifesto7 wrote:
So which is easier? Sitting down with iccup people amd working things out, or setting up a new server and maintaining it for years to come?

I think I know the answer...

Extra, extra, group of rag tag stubborn amateur programmers fail to deliver on wild estimates of making a superior server in 6 months! Who could have predicted that?? I guess I gotta give you credit for continuing to burden yourself with it over a year later. I'd have given up in shame and taken on a smaller, more manageable project.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
September 17 2014 13:59 GMT
#1251
Ooof, few of you seem pretty bitter in here.
Useless wet fish.
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
September 17 2014 14:10 GMT
#1252
On September 17 2014 21:44 Chef wrote:
It's the privilege and the curse of native English speakers that there is rarely an external motivation powerful enough to make you learn a second language.


Being able to play and practice in a server where all the top players congregate not a good enough external motivation for any serious bw player to learn even a teeny bit of korean? Pff monolinguals and their excuses.



amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
September 17 2014 14:47 GMT
#1253
Why are you guys even bumping this thread? there's no released work yet, and AFAIK, this project is dead on arrival anyways so don't build hope up
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
DiMiaN
Profile Joined October 2013
Finland306 Posts
September 17 2014 16:53 GMT
#1254
Why not release it under open-source? Are there anything to release at all? I bet there are some coders lurking here too and maybe have some solutions to things...
tenacity
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1587 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-17 17:06:46
September 17 2014 17:05 GMT
#1255
On September 18 2014 01:53 DiMiaN wrote:
Why not release it under open-source? Are there anything to release at all? I bet there are some coders lurking here too and maybe have some solutions to things...


I recommend that too and I suggest that the progress will be much faster. I also think people would appreciate an unfinished server more than none to test at all.

And btw, playing on Fish ain't that bad anymore. I feel like the lag has become much better for Europeans compared to one year ago.
It does not need to be fun to be fun.
xboi209
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1173 Posts
September 17 2014 18:24 GMT
#1256
On September 18 2014 01:53 DiMiaN wrote:
Why not release it under open-source? Are there anything to release at all? I bet there are some coders lurking here too and maybe have some solutions to things...

There is another PvPGN project that is being developed concurrently with StarServer and is open source. I've been attempting to contribute back and forth between both projects but they're being written in different languages(we're using C, the other is using C++) so it's been difficult.
Any lurking coders here could always PM me for details on how to help out.
http://www.reddit.com/r/broodwar/
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
September 17 2014 18:36 GMT
#1257
On September 18 2014 02:05 tenacity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2014 01:53 DiMiaN wrote:
Why not release it under open-source? Are there anything to release at all? I bet there are some coders lurking here too and maybe have some solutions to things...


I recommend that too and I suggest that the progress will be much faster. I also think people would appreciate an unfinished server more than none to test at all.


Use ICCup then? :x
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 17 2014 19:47 GMT
#1258
On September 18 2014 03:36 GeckoXp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2014 02:05 tenacity wrote:
On September 18 2014 01:53 DiMiaN wrote:
Why not release it under open-source? Are there anything to release at all? I bet there are some coders lurking here too and maybe have some solutions to things...


I recommend that too and I suggest that the progress will be much faster. I also think people would appreciate an unfinished server more than none to test at all.


Use ICCup then? :x

I've never had a problem with ICCup myself. Great server when it has people.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
tenacity
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1587 Posts
September 17 2014 20:25 GMT
#1259
On September 18 2014 03:36 GeckoXp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2014 02:05 tenacity wrote:
On September 18 2014 01:53 DiMiaN wrote:
Why not release it under open-source? Are there anything to release at all? I bet there are some coders lurking here too and maybe have some solutions to things...


I recommend that too and I suggest that the progress will be much faster. I also think people would appreciate an unfinished server more than none to test at all.


Use ICCup then? :x


What has your suggestion to do with my post?
It does not need to be fun to be fun.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 17 2014 20:30 GMT
#1260
On September 18 2014 05:25 tenacity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2014 03:36 GeckoXp wrote:
On September 18 2014 02:05 tenacity wrote:
On September 18 2014 01:53 DiMiaN wrote:
Why not release it under open-source? Are there anything to release at all? I bet there are some coders lurking here too and maybe have some solutions to things...


I recommend that too and I suggest that the progress will be much faster. I also think people would appreciate an unfinished server more than none to test at all.


Use ICCup then? :x


What has your suggestion to do with my post?

I'm guessing he means this part "I also think people would appreciate an unfinished server more than none to test at all."

Why use an unfinished server when you have a finished one, that's what I'm assuming he meant. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong Gecko lol
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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