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On September 18 2014 05:30 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 05:25 tenacity wrote:On September 18 2014 03:36 GeckoXp wrote:On September 18 2014 02:05 tenacity wrote:On September 18 2014 01:53 DiMiaN wrote:
Why not release it under open-source? Are there anything to release at all? I bet there are some coders lurking here too and maybe have some solutions to things... I recommend that too and I suggest that the progress will be much faster. I also think people would appreciate an unfinished server more than none to test at all. Use ICCup then? :x What has your suggestion to do with my post? I'm guessing he means this part "I also think people would appreciate an unfinished server more than none to test at all." Why use an unfinished server when you have a finished one, that's what I'm assuming he meant. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong Gecko lol
I think he meant that iCCup is the uncompleted server
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I was obviously talking about StarServer and not ICCup (which I don't consider being in any way unfinished).
Ah well, it's not that important  .
I use both Fish and ICCup and I personally don't need another one anymore.
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On September 17 2014 21:44 Chef wrote:I think Birdie deserves criticism for being so smarmy when he's delivered nothing so far, there didn't need to be a thread for this or vague update bumps. But whoever wants to go to Fish has already gone to Fish. Here's a post from page 3 that's pretty accurate  Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 22:20 Manifesto7 wrote:
So which is easier? Sitting down with iccup people amd working things out, or setting up a new server and maintaining it for years to come?
I think I know the answer... Extra, extra, group of rag tag stubborn amateur programmers fail to deliver on wild estimates of making a superior server in 6 months! Who could have predicted that?? I guess I gotta give you credit for continuing to burden yourself with it over a year later. I'd have given up in shame and taken on a smaller, more manageable project.
The original thread was to look for developers/interest, I got both. The vague update bumps are because people keep asking for updates but there's nothing physical to show. People want screenshots but there is literally nothing to screenshot beyond an empty StarCraft battle.net lobby, because that's basically all the graphics in the entire project. We've got thousands of lines of code to screenshot if people would prefer that.
I also never promised that I would complete this project quickly, and made it clear from the start. We're all volunteers working in our free time on this, and most of us tend to be very busy with the endless stream of work needing doing from real life. I entered this in the knowledge that a) it may never get completed, b) if it does, no one may end up playing on the server, and c) it will be a lot of work. Yet at least I am trying to do something for the Brood War community using the skills I have, rather than accepting iCCup's stagnation without efforts to change it.
We tried sitting down with iCCup people, that didn't work.
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On September 18 2014 07:45 Birdie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 21:44 Chef wrote:I think Birdie deserves criticism for being so smarmy when he's delivered nothing so far, there didn't need to be a thread for this or vague update bumps. But whoever wants to go to Fish has already gone to Fish. Here's a post from page 3 that's pretty accurate On May 22 2013 22:20 Manifesto7 wrote:
So which is easier? Sitting down with iccup people amd working things out, or setting up a new server and maintaining it for years to come?
I think I know the answer... Extra, extra, group of rag tag stubborn amateur programmers fail to deliver on wild estimates of making a superior server in 6 months! Who could have predicted that?? I guess I gotta give you credit for continuing to burden yourself with it over a year later. I'd have given up in shame and taken on a smaller, more manageable project. The original thread was to look for developers/interest, I got both. The vague update bumps are because people keep asking for updates but there's nothing physical to show. People want screenshots but there is literally nothing to screenshot beyond an empty StarCraft battle.net lobby, because that's basically all the graphics in the entire project. We've got thousands of lines of code to screenshot if people would prefer that. I also never promised that I would complete this project quickly, and made it clear from the start. We're all volunteers working in our free time on this, and most of us tend to be very busy with the endless stream of work needing doing from real life. I entered this in the knowledge that a) it may never get completed, b) if it does, no one may end up playing on the server, and c) it will be a lot of work. Yet at least I am trying to do something for the Brood War community using the skills I have, rather than accepting iCCup's stagnation without efforts to change it. We tried sitting down with iCCup people, that didn't work.
so then why the hesitation to post the code to github? having the community help with the development of the server would streamline the process faster.
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You got some praises and attention, now you get the criticisms, everything balances out in the end.
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On September 18 2014 07:45 Birdie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 21:44 Chef wrote:I think Birdie deserves criticism for being so smarmy when he's delivered nothing so far, there didn't need to be a thread for this or vague update bumps. But whoever wants to go to Fish has already gone to Fish. Here's a post from page 3 that's pretty accurate On May 22 2013 22:20 Manifesto7 wrote:
So which is easier? Sitting down with iccup people amd working things out, or setting up a new server and maintaining it for years to come?
I think I know the answer... Extra, extra, group of rag tag stubborn amateur programmers fail to deliver on wild estimates of making a superior server in 6 months! Who could have predicted that?? I guess I gotta give you credit for continuing to burden yourself with it over a year later. I'd have given up in shame and taken on a smaller, more manageable project. The original thread was to look for developers/interest, I got both. The vague update bumps are because people keep asking for updates but there's nothing physical to show. People want screenshots but there is literally nothing to screenshot beyond an empty StarCraft battle.net lobby, because that's basically all the graphics in the entire project. We've got thousands of lines of code to screenshot if people would prefer that. I also never promised that I would complete this project quickly, and made it clear from the start. We're all volunteers working in our free time on this, and most of us tend to be very busy with the endless stream of work needing doing from real life. I entered this in the knowledge that a) it may never get completed, b) if it does, no one may end up playing on the server, and c) it will be a lot of work. Yet at least I am trying to do something for the Brood War community using the skills I have, rather than accepting iCCup's stagnation without efforts to change it. We tried sitting down with iCCup people, that didn't work.
The sad thing is that you can't really criticise iCCup's "Stagnation" when your server is not even close to being completed and probably will never be released. Also if iCCup is "stagnant" , what makes you think a new server with a less population, less games, less of a following and dedicated users, would be less stagnant?
This is why I am saying to just play on Fish because....
A) ICCup is "Stagnant" , dead , inactive, whatever you want to call it.
B) StarServer will never be completed
C) Fish is active, has the best skill level, really strong ladder system that promotes player skill / improvement
D) Many active clans on Fish that will accept foreigners.
E) Back in the day the majority of BW players that wanted to improve, and learn as much as they can as a player, and be able to interact with Korean that they can learn from , would want to play with the Korean players on Korean servers... IE (Gamei server, USWest, Brainclan server, ect...) Why would this be different now?
F) Fish is the most active server, maybe the "Only" active server, anyone with a brain should be able to realize that iCCup is not an option to repopulate, a new server isn't even an option to create, and the only liable / best option for the best possible experience for all foreigner players would be for a mass move to Fish.
Even if the StarServer was created, if anything it would not even be beneficial except maybe to birdie's ego, because it will not become active and if it does have an extremely low activity, it is just going to make iCCup or Fish more "Stagnant" than they need to be...
So lets just make a mass movement to Fish...It is our only hope birdi won kenobi......
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It's the same game. What real difference does a server make?
Even USEast with its hacker population is still not that different from any other server.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On September 19 2014 01:33 LegalLord wrote:
It's the same game. What real difference does a server make?
Even USEast with its hacker population is still not that different from any other server.
I believe the idea was to gather most people on one server so that there are more users online leading it to be more active. This would mean that you have a way of swaying people and getting them using the new server over the old one.
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On September 18 2014 07:45 Birdie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2014 21:44 Chef wrote:I think Birdie deserves criticism for being so smarmy when he's delivered nothing so far, there didn't need to be a thread for this or vague update bumps. But whoever wants to go to Fish has already gone to Fish. Here's a post from page 3 that's pretty accurate On May 22 2013 22:20 Manifesto7 wrote:
So which is easier? Sitting down with iccup people amd working things out, or setting up a new server and maintaining it for years to come?
I think I know the answer... Extra, extra, group of rag tag stubborn amateur programmers fail to deliver on wild estimates of making a superior server in 6 months! Who could have predicted that?? I guess I gotta give you credit for continuing to burden yourself with it over a year later. I'd have given up in shame and taken on a smaller, more manageable project. The original thread was to look for developers/interest, I got both. The vague update bumps are because people keep asking for updates but there's nothing physical to show. People want screenshots but there is literally nothing to screenshot beyond an empty StarCraft battle.net lobby, because that's basically all the graphics in the entire project. We've got thousands of lines of code to screenshot if people would prefer that. I also never promised that I would complete this project quickly, and made it clear from the start. We're all volunteers working in our free time on this, and most of us tend to be very busy with the endless stream of work needing doing from real life. I entered this in the knowledge that a) it may never get completed, b) if it does, no one may end up playing on the server, and c) it will be a lot of work. Yet at least I am trying to do something for the Brood War community using the skills I have, rather than accepting iCCup's stagnation without efforts to change it. We tried sitting down with iCCup people, that didn't work.
I was one of the people who said "don't over promise, don't rush". When you said you aimed to release somewhere in 2013.
And the code thing. Yeah screenshot that and post it. I'd much rather see lines of code than walls of text.
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On September 18 2014 12:54 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 07:45 Birdie wrote:On September 17 2014 21:44 Chef wrote:I think Birdie deserves criticism for being so smarmy when he's delivered nothing so far, there didn't need to be a thread for this or vague update bumps. But whoever wants to go to Fish has already gone to Fish. Here's a post from page 3 that's pretty accurate On May 22 2013 22:20 Manifesto7 wrote:
So which is easier? Sitting down with iccup people amd working things out, or setting up a new server and maintaining it for years to come?
I think I know the answer... Extra, extra, group of rag tag stubborn amateur programmers fail to deliver on wild estimates of making a superior server in 6 months! Who could have predicted that?? I guess I gotta give you credit for continuing to burden yourself with it over a year later. I'd have given up in shame and taken on a smaller, more manageable project. The original thread was to look for developers/interest, I got both. The vague update bumps are because people keep asking for updates but there's nothing physical to show. People want screenshots but there is literally nothing to screenshot beyond an empty StarCraft battle.net lobby, because that's basically all the graphics in the entire project. We've got thousands of lines of code to screenshot if people would prefer that. I also never promised that I would complete this project quickly, and made it clear from the start. We're all volunteers working in our free time on this, and most of us tend to be very busy with the endless stream of work needing doing from real life. I entered this in the knowledge that a) it may never get completed, b) if it does, no one may end up playing on the server, and c) it will be a lot of work. Yet at least I am trying to do something for the Brood War community using the skills I have, rather than accepting iCCup's stagnation without efforts to change it. We tried sitting down with iCCup people, that didn't work. The sad thing is that you can't really criticise iCCup's "Stagnation" when your server is not even close to being completed and probably will never be released. Also if iCCup is "stagnant" , what makes you think a new server with a less population, less games, less of a following and dedicated users, would be less stagnant? This is why I am saying to just play on Fish because.... A) ICCup is "Stagnant" , dead , inactive, whatever you want to call it. B) StarServer will never be completed C) Fish is active, has the best skill level, really strong ladder system that promotes player skill / improvement D) Many active clans on Fish that will accept foreigners. E) Back in the day the majority of BW players that wanted to improve, and learn as much as they can as a player, and be able to interact with Korean that they can learn from , would want to play with the Korean players on Korean servers... IE (Gamei server, USWest, Brainclan server, ect...) Why would this be different now? F) Fish is the most active server, maybe the "Only" active server, anyone with a brain should be able to realize that iCCup is not an option to repopulate, a new server isn't even an option to create, and the only liable / best option for the best possible experience for all foreigner players would be for a mass move to Fish. Even if the StarServer was created, if anything it would not even be beneficial except maybe to birdie's ego, because it will not become active and if it does have an extremely low activity, it is just going to make iCCup or Fish more "Stagnant" than they need to be... So lets just make a mass movement to Fish...It is our only hope birdi won kenobi......
A) Yeah, let's tell first timers to not only have to fight with Brood War's
B) outdated interface, the router problems, installing launchers, but tell
C) them they should also do that in an Asian language they never read
D) about before and which causes them to have to set up even more stuff
E) along the way. I guess that will work out great and I wonder why there's
F) no avalanche of them rolling over the forums already.
G) Not to mention the tons of loopholes in the launcher, the problems to report
H) hackers, and the latent racism displayed by some Koreans not wanting to talk English.
I) I could go on like this. I hope the letters make it sound more prefessional.
J) didn't work for you though.
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On September 19 2014 03:09 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 12:54 GGzerG wrote:On September 18 2014 07:45 Birdie wrote:On September 17 2014 21:44 Chef wrote:I think Birdie deserves criticism for being so smarmy when he's delivered nothing so far, there didn't need to be a thread for this or vague update bumps. But whoever wants to go to Fish has already gone to Fish. Here's a post from page 3 that's pretty accurate On May 22 2013 22:20 Manifesto7 wrote:
So which is easier? Sitting down with iccup people amd working things out, or setting up a new server and maintaining it for years to come?
I think I know the answer... Extra, extra, group of rag tag stubborn amateur programmers fail to deliver on wild estimates of making a superior server in 6 months! Who could have predicted that?? I guess I gotta give you credit for continuing to burden yourself with it over a year later. I'd have given up in shame and taken on a smaller, more manageable project. The original thread was to look for developers/interest, I got both. The vague update bumps are because people keep asking for updates but there's nothing physical to show. People want screenshots but there is literally nothing to screenshot beyond an empty StarCraft battle.net lobby, because that's basically all the graphics in the entire project. We've got thousands of lines of code to screenshot if people would prefer that. I also never promised that I would complete this project quickly, and made it clear from the start. We're all volunteers working in our free time on this, and most of us tend to be very busy with the endless stream of work needing doing from real life. I entered this in the knowledge that a) it may never get completed, b) if it does, no one may end up playing on the server, and c) it will be a lot of work. Yet at least I am trying to do something for the Brood War community using the skills I have, rather than accepting iCCup's stagnation without efforts to change it. We tried sitting down with iCCup people, that didn't work. The sad thing is that you can't really criticise iCCup's "Stagnation" when your server is not even close to being completed and probably will never be released. Also if iCCup is "stagnant" , what makes you think a new server with a less population, less games, less of a following and dedicated users, would be less stagnant? This is why I am saying to just play on Fish because.... A) ICCup is "Stagnant" , dead , inactive, whatever you want to call it. B) StarServer will never be completed C) Fish is active, has the best skill level, really strong ladder system that promotes player skill / improvement D) Many active clans on Fish that will accept foreigners. E) Back in the day the majority of BW players that wanted to improve, and learn as much as they can as a player, and be able to interact with Korean that they can learn from , would want to play with the Korean players on Korean servers... IE (Gamei server, USWest, Brainclan server, ect...) Why would this be different now? F) Fish is the most active server, maybe the "Only" active server, anyone with a brain should be able to realize that iCCup is not an option to repopulate, a new server isn't even an option to create, and the only liable / best option for the best possible experience for all foreigner players would be for a mass move to Fish. Even if the StarServer was created, if anything it would not even be beneficial except maybe to birdie's ego, because it will not become active and if it does have an extremely low activity, it is just going to make iCCup or Fish more "Stagnant" than they need to be... So lets just make a mass movement to Fish...It is our only hope birdi won kenobi...... A) Yeah, let's tell first timers to not only have to fight with Brood War's B) outdated interface, the router problems, installing launchers, but tell C) them they should also do that in an Asian language they never read D) about before and which causes them to have to set up even more stuff E) along the way. I guess that will work out great and I wonder why there's F) no avalanche of them rolling over the forums already. G) Not to mention the tons of loopholes in the launcher, the problems to report H) hackers, and the latent racism displayed by some Koreans not wanting to talk English. I) I could go on like this. I hope the letters make it sound more prefessional. J) didn't work for you though.
First of all, I never stated that newcomers to BW would want to start out on fish, although if we had a group of foreigners on Fish than this wouldn't be an issue, and it would be better for newcomers to be playing / learning on Fish rather than playing / learning on iCCup because they would be able to learn from better players, and better environment. Why are people so afraid to try and learn Korean? Do you realize how hard you contradict yourself and how stupid you sound when you complain about Korean's being racist because not wanting to speak english, but then go and say that newcomers to BW should not be willing to learn to read Korean ... There was just a thread on how to report hackers on Fish, and what "loop holes in the launcher" ? Can you help fix this issue ? If not than why would this be relevant to even say here... me writing with letters isn't to sound professional, it is to display the long list of reasons to play on fish rather than iccup you genius....
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On September 19 2014 08:01 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2014 03:09 GeckoXp wrote:On September 18 2014 12:54 GGzerG wrote:On September 18 2014 07:45 Birdie wrote:On September 17 2014 21:44 Chef wrote:I think Birdie deserves criticism for being so smarmy when he's delivered nothing so far, there didn't need to be a thread for this or vague update bumps. But whoever wants to go to Fish has already gone to Fish. Here's a post from page 3 that's pretty accurate On May 22 2013 22:20 Manifesto7 wrote:
So which is easier? Sitting down with iccup people amd working things out, or setting up a new server and maintaining it for years to come?
I think I know the answer... Extra, extra, group of rag tag stubborn amateur programmers fail to deliver on wild estimates of making a superior server in 6 months! Who could have predicted that?? I guess I gotta give you credit for continuing to burden yourself with it over a year later. I'd have given up in shame and taken on a smaller, more manageable project. The original thread was to look for developers/interest, I got both. The vague update bumps are because people keep asking for updates but there's nothing physical to show. People want screenshots but there is literally nothing to screenshot beyond an empty StarCraft battle.net lobby, because that's basically all the graphics in the entire project. We've got thousands of lines of code to screenshot if people would prefer that. I also never promised that I would complete this project quickly, and made it clear from the start. We're all volunteers working in our free time on this, and most of us tend to be very busy with the endless stream of work needing doing from real life. I entered this in the knowledge that a) it may never get completed, b) if it does, no one may end up playing on the server, and c) it will be a lot of work. Yet at least I am trying to do something for the Brood War community using the skills I have, rather than accepting iCCup's stagnation without efforts to change it. We tried sitting down with iCCup people, that didn't work. The sad thing is that you can't really criticise iCCup's "Stagnation" when your server is not even close to being completed and probably will never be released. Also if iCCup is "stagnant" , what makes you think a new server with a less population, less games, less of a following and dedicated users, would be less stagnant? This is why I am saying to just play on Fish because.... A) ICCup is "Stagnant" , dead , inactive, whatever you want to call it. B) StarServer will never be completed C) Fish is active, has the best skill level, really strong ladder system that promotes player skill / improvement D) Many active clans on Fish that will accept foreigners. E) Back in the day the majority of BW players that wanted to improve, and learn as much as they can as a player, and be able to interact with Korean that they can learn from , would want to play with the Korean players on Korean servers... IE (Gamei server, USWest, Brainclan server, ect...) Why would this be different now? F) Fish is the most active server, maybe the "Only" active server, anyone with a brain should be able to realize that iCCup is not an option to repopulate, a new server isn't even an option to create, and the only liable / best option for the best possible experience for all foreigner players would be for a mass move to Fish. Even if the StarServer was created, if anything it would not even be beneficial except maybe to birdie's ego, because it will not become active and if it does have an extremely low activity, it is just going to make iCCup or Fish more "Stagnant" than they need to be... So lets just make a mass movement to Fish...It is our only hope birdi won kenobi...... A) Yeah, let's tell first timers to not only have to fight with Brood War's B) outdated interface, the router problems, installing launchers, but tell C) them they should also do that in an Asian language they never read D) about before and which causes them to have to set up even more stuff E) along the way. I guess that will work out great and I wonder why there's F) no avalanche of them rolling over the forums already. G) Not to mention the tons of loopholes in the launcher, the problems to report H) hackers, and the latent racism displayed by some Koreans not wanting to talk English. I) I could go on like this. I hope the letters make it sound more prefessional. J) didn't work for you though. First of all, I never stated that newcomers to BW would want to start out on fish, although if we had a group of foreigners on Fish than this wouldn't be an issue, and it would be better for newcomers to be playing / learning on Fish rather than playing / learning on iCCup because they would be able to learn from better players, and better environment. Why are people so afraid to try and learn Korean? Do you realize how hard you contradict yourself and how stupid you sound when you complain about Korean's being racist because not wanting to speak english, but then go and say that newcomers to BW should not be willing to learn to read Korean ... There was just a thread on how to report hackers on Fish, and what "loop holes in the launcher" ? Can you help fix this issue ? If not than why would this be relevant to even say here... me writing with letters isn't to sound professional, it is to display the long list of reasons to play on fish rather than iccup you genius....
Because unlike you I already learned two foreign languages and am about to learn a third. I really do not care enough to bother learning even phrases only in Korean. If you do not understand why nobody from the outside would want to learn Korean only in order to play a game, you're the idiot here.
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On September 19 2014 03:09 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2014 12:54 GGzerG wrote:On September 18 2014 07:45 Birdie wrote:On September 17 2014 21:44 Chef wrote:I think Birdie deserves criticism for being so smarmy when he's delivered nothing so far, there didn't need to be a thread for this or vague update bumps. But whoever wants to go to Fish has already gone to Fish. Here's a post from page 3 that's pretty accurate On May 22 2013 22:20 Manifesto7 wrote:
So which is easier? Sitting down with iccup people amd working things out, or setting up a new server and maintaining it for years to come?
I think I know the answer... Extra, extra, group of rag tag stubborn amateur programmers fail to deliver on wild estimates of making a superior server in 6 months! Who could have predicted that?? I guess I gotta give you credit for continuing to burden yourself with it over a year later. I'd have given up in shame and taken on a smaller, more manageable project. The original thread was to look for developers/interest, I got both. The vague update bumps are because people keep asking for updates but there's nothing physical to show. People want screenshots but there is literally nothing to screenshot beyond an empty StarCraft battle.net lobby, because that's basically all the graphics in the entire project. We've got thousands of lines of code to screenshot if people would prefer that. I also never promised that I would complete this project quickly, and made it clear from the start. We're all volunteers working in our free time on this, and most of us tend to be very busy with the endless stream of work needing doing from real life. I entered this in the knowledge that a) it may never get completed, b) if it does, no one may end up playing on the server, and c) it will be a lot of work. Yet at least I am trying to do something for the Brood War community using the skills I have, rather than accepting iCCup's stagnation without efforts to change it. We tried sitting down with iCCup people, that didn't work. The sad thing is that you can't really criticise iCCup's "Stagnation" when your server is not even close to being completed and probably will never be released. Also if iCCup is "stagnant" , what makes you think a new server with a less population, less games, less of a following and dedicated users, would be less stagnant? This is why I am saying to just play on Fish because.... A) ICCup is "Stagnant" , dead , inactive, whatever you want to call it. B) StarServer will never be completed C) Fish is active, has the best skill level, really strong ladder system that promotes player skill / improvement D) Many active clans on Fish that will accept foreigners. E) Back in the day the majority of BW players that wanted to improve, and learn as much as they can as a player, and be able to interact with Korean that they can learn from , would want to play with the Korean players on Korean servers... IE (Gamei server, USWest, Brainclan server, ect...) Why would this be different now? F) Fish is the most active server, maybe the "Only" active server, anyone with a brain should be able to realize that iCCup is not an option to repopulate, a new server isn't even an option to create, and the only liable / best option for the best possible experience for all foreigner players would be for a mass move to Fish. Even if the StarServer was created, if anything it would not even be beneficial except maybe to birdie's ego, because it will not become active and if it does have an extremely low activity, it is just going to make iCCup or Fish more "Stagnant" than they need to be... So lets just make a mass movement to Fish...It is our only hope birdi won kenobi...... A) Yeah, let's tell first timers to not only have to fight with Brood War's B) outdated interface, the router problems, installing launchers, but tell C) them they should also do that in an Asian language they never read D) about before and which causes them to have to set up even more stuff E) along the way. I guess that will work out great and I wonder why there's F) no avalanche of them rolling over the forums already. G) Not to mention the tons of loopholes in the launcher, the problems to report H) hackers, and the latent racism displayed by some Koreans not wanting to talk English. I) I could go on like this. I hope the letters make it sound more prefessional. J) didn't work for you though.
Dude you just listed all the very reasons that made the BW experience so rare and exotic.
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Who are these newcomers you're trying to attract? They don't exist. iCCup's dead and any new server would have even fewer people. Might as well go Fish if you want to find games.
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On September 19 2014 19:18 Sero wrote:
Who are these newcomers you're trying to attract? They don't exist. iCCup's dead and any new server would have even fewer people. Might as well go Fish if you want to find games.
There will be newcomers. And the lack of a full-featured server is one of the main barriers for them. You are too pessimistic.
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On September 19 2014 19:18 Sero wrote:
Who are these newcomers you're trying to attract? They don't exist. iCCup's dead and any new server would have even fewer people. Might as well go Fish if you want to find games.
I never said I find the prospect of a new server nice. I actually talked to one of the developers of one server, even though he's been rather secretive about which project it is. In my opinion the best solution would be to convince Yelloant to shut off his server and re-direct the existing user base to a more modern and updatable project. If they in turn offer to bear the name ICCup 2.0 or something, while being allowed to make decisions on their own is another question. At least some dialogue like that should be done.
As for the new people go: Occasionally there are new people trying Brood War. Actually the low rank leagues were one of the most successful projects in the last years, no other project except maybe defiler from 2010-2013 could keep up with them.
Most of what I described are the main reasons beginners don't stick around. Now telling them to change windows settings, learning Korean phrases and to fiddle around with an unfamiliar launcher, only to still get banned in at least 25% of their games for not being able to reply in Korean is not a solution.
Regardless of the initial motivation to start this projects, it has some point. The original issue maybe forgotten, or not important anymore, but there's still enough to think about it. Retarded posts like done by IdiotGG do not help.
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where is teh new server ?
i want a new server for my birthday pls
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these new people are probably:
1) sc2 players who are curious about BW
2) people who have played Brood War some time ago, casually or otherwise, decide to pick it up again for nostalgic reason or simply bored.
would probably see another influx of them shortly after LotV is released, but you wont expect many people who will stick around for long. very soon group 2 would stop playing altogether and start to move on with their lives.
also considering that the future gamer generation would be born after boxer wins his first osl and lives off pretty graphics and the toxic gaming trends like P2W, you can easily say very few would be attracted to BW. so its no surprise one would question the validity of this project,
not that i hate it, but would it still be worth the time, money and effort for just the very few people who would still be playing BW in the future? especially if it continues to be delayed for long.
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On September 19 2014 22:09 Probemicro wrote:
these new people are probably:
1) sc2 players who are curious about BW
2) people who have played Brood War some time ago, casually or otherwise, decide to pick it up again for nostalgic reason or simply bored.
3) I have gotten no less than 3 people to play Brood War for the first time, enjoy it, and play it on their own time in the past year or two. How? I told them it was the best RTS ever, showed them a VOD, explained the strategy, helped them with the campaign, and now they are hooked. Quality games will ALWAYS attract new players, it's a question of exposure.
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On September 19 2014 21:34 GeckoXp wrote:
Most of what I described are the main reasons beginners don't stick around. Now telling them to change windows settings, learning Korean phrases and to fiddle around with an unfamiliar launcher, only to still get banned in at least 25% of their games for not being able to reply in Korean is not a solution.
It's not that difficult to start playing on Fish. mcalauncher comes with wlauncher in English, and it's not necessary to change Windows settings or learn Korean to find games. Most Koreans don't say anything other than "go" and "gg" in melee and ladder games, so you don't need to be able to read or reply in Hangul.
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