And I got bored so here's some possibilities on who will face who at the Semi-Playoffs, as well as the teams that will advance to the Playoffs and finals.
As of right now, STX SouL, Team 8, and Airforce ACE have been eliminated and there's no way these teams will qualify for the playoffs (every team plays 21 games. STX SouL's best record, as well as Team 8's, could be 10-11 at this point, which will be still lower than current 4th place's (Stars) record in terms of win/loss).
Now, we only have 5 teams left.
1. Samsung Khan.
Although Khan's leading at the moment with 12-7, they still have two matches to go. They're against Team 8 and Woongjin stars. Given that, if they win one more game they will secure a place in playoffs. If they lose both games with 0:3, then they will be TIED with Woongjin Stars (because if Khan loses 0:3 both games, it means they're down to +0. If Stars win with that score, they're also back up to +0, which means they will be tied).
Bare Minimum For Playoffs: Khan wins one set, secures playoff (see the worst case scenario for explanation).
Worst case scenario: Khan loses twice 0:3, ties with Stars and CJ wins both games while SKT and KT wins at lease once, putting Khan in 4~5 spot with Stars (In this case, I don't know what happens but I'm pretty sure Khan will lose their spot in playoffs, or have a wildcard match or something).
2. SK Telecom T1
SK Telecom T1 has 2 games left: one against Airforce ACE and one against Team 8. Since their difference is +12, one win can put them in a playoff spot (even if CJ goes +6, that is +9 at maximum for CJ. SK Telecom T1, if they win once, can go down to at least +10 (+1 then -3), but not further below). If SK Telecom T1 loses both games, then it will depend on Stars, CJ, and KT's record to see if SK Telecom can advance or not.
Bare Minimum For Playoffs: SK Telecom T1 wins once, secures playoff.
Worst case scenario: SK Telecom T1 drops both games, putting them in 11-10 while Stars win their last match and CJ wins both of their matches, putting SKT below both teams. THEN they need KT to lose both games respectively and make sure that the total difference is higher than KT's.
3. KT Rolster
Similar situation with KT Rolster, though they need to watch out a little bit more if CJ goes +6 as they might be tied with CJ Entus if KT ends up with -2 in their last 2 matches (given that KT wins and loses, or vice versa). If they win twice, they secure a playoff position as Stars and CJ both have 9 losses. If they win and then lose with only -1 difference for both games or higher, they secure a spot. If they lose both games, it depends on how well CJ, Stars, and SKT does.
Bare Minimum For Playoffs: KT Rolster wins once and have difference of -1 or higher in last 2 games, secures playoff.
Worst case scenario: KT Rolster drops both games, putting them in 11-10 while Stars win their last match and CJ wins both of their matches, putting KT below both teams. THEN they need SKT to lose both games respectively and make sure that the total difference is higher than SKT's.
4. Woongjin Stars
This is where it gets interesting. Stars is in a huge trouble. Although they lead CJ Entus in terms of win/loss, their difference is -3. Stars have one final battle against Samsung Khan this season, and they need to win that game in order to have a good chance at going to playoffs. If they win, CJ has to lose one match and/or KT or SKT have to drop both of their games in order for a playoff spot. If they lose, CJ NEEDS to lose both of their games. HOWEVER, if CJ wins twice, Stars need to depend on KT or SKT to drop both games because they will fall behind CJ in terms of win/loss ratio. In this scenario, Stars HAVE to win against Khan. If KT or SKT goes 1-1, they will have same record as Stars. However, since the biggest difference you can get from 1-1 is -2 and since both KT and SKT are in double digits while Stars can only bring up their difference to +0, Stars need KT and/or SKT to lose both of their remaining matches.
Bare Minimum For Playoffs: Stars win against Khan, THEN CJ loses once and/or KT/SKT loses both of their games.
Worst case scenario: Stars loses, CJ HAS to lose both of their games in order to have a chance.
Worst case scenario 2: Stars wins but CJ wins both of their remaining games. Stars need KT or SKT to drop both games or they're out.
5. CJ Entus
CJ Entus, although behind on rankings, can catch up to Stars pretty quickly since they have two matches to go (instead of Stars, since they only have one match left). Best case scenario is that they win twice; that will put them in a playoff spot easily. If they lose one of two games, Stars needs to lose their game against Khan or it's over for CJ Entus. However, if CJ loses twice it's completely over (10-11 in record while Stars' worst case scenario is 11-10). Now, why did I say that CJ can win twice to secure a spot in playoffs? Let's look at the difference. Though Stars is leading CJ, they have -3 while CJ has +3. This means that if CJ wins twice, the worst possible difference they can end up with is +5 (+1 then -1). Stars, on the other hand, can only end up at +0 (3:0 against Khan). Similar situation with one win one loss situation for CJ and Stars losing against Khan. If they win once but drop one, they can go down to +1, but not any further. Stars, on the other hand, will stay at negative numbers, giving up their spot to CJ Entus. SK Telecom T1 and KT Rolster can also fall below CJ if either one of the teams lose twice then CJ wins twice, but SKT and KT needs to lose huge in both games and CJ needs to win big in both games (talking about complete shutouts here). However, since Khan has only +3, they can fall easily below CJ if they drop both games (CJ can only go up from +3, while Samsung goes down from +6 with same 12-9 record if CJ wins twice and Khan loses twice. That means Samsung, at most, will have +4 while CJ, at least, will have +5). Realistically, CJ still has a chance on securing a playoff spot.
Bare Minimum For Playoffs: CJ wins twice, secures playoff spot no matter how well Stars does at the end of the season.
Worst case scenario: CJ loses twice, will not qualify for playoffs.
What's more interesting in this race, is that all of the remaining matches are playoff-hopefuls versus knocked out teams, with the exception of Samsung Khan vs Woongjin Stars.
I've never seen any race this close in Proleague until now. Not one team has secured a playoff position as of this moment, and no team is safe from getting eliminated. It's going to be interesting few days, as post-season begins on the 17th with the last game being played out on the 14th.
Disclaimer: I wrote this very quickly without any charts, graphs, or whatsoever. If you need more clarifications, find any mistakes in the possible situations as well as ones that weren't explored, or have anything to add to this in general please feel free to comment.
On March 04 2012 17:23 Doraemon wrote: if khan loses one and skt wins two, doesn't skt get #1?
I was talking about playoff chances, but yes SKT will get #1 and secure a Finals spot, given that KT wins two but falls short of SKT's difference in win/loss of sets.
On March 04 2012 17:23 Doraemon wrote: if khan loses one and skt wins two, doesn't skt get #1?
I was talking about playoff chances, but yes SKT will get #1 and secure a Finals spot, given that KT wins two but falls short of SKT's difference in win/loss of sets.
On March 04 2012 17:29 Kiett wrote: Instead of Best Case Scenario, it should probably be Bare Minimum For Playoffs. Best case scenario would obviously be winning all your games
This is true.
On the other hand, it's hard to swallow the fact that Samsung Khan, despite being in first place isn't a lock even for a playoff spot. This gives an idea how tense the remaining games will be. I am of the opinion that the knocked out teams will fight with their team's honor on the line, and thus will send their best lineups. What an exciting time to be watching Proleague! :D
On March 04 2012 17:29 Kiett wrote: Instead of Best Case Scenario, it should probably be Bare Minimum For Playoffs. Best case scenario would obviously be winning all your games
This is true.
On the other hand, it's hard to swallow the fact that Samsung Khan, despite being in first place isn't a lock even for a playoff spot. This gives an idea how tense the remaining games will be. I am of the opinion that the knocked out teams will fight with their team's honor on the line, and thus will send their best lineups. What an exciting time to be watching Proleague! :D
Just goes to show how tight the competition was from 1st place to 8th place throughout the season.
Since team 8 is out, I`ll be cheering for SKT from now on... Anyone knows something about playoffs,will it be 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3 -> grand final? And is it bo3 in both semis and finals,just finals or it`s bo1 all the way?
On March 04 2012 20:56 Vuk_91 wrote: Since team 8 is out, I`ll be cheering for SKT from now on... Anyone knows something about playoffs,will it be 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3 -> grand final? And is it bo3 in both semis and finals,just finals or it`s bo1 all the way?
3 vs 4, winner plays 2 winner plays 1. Bo3, except final game.
On March 04 2012 20:56 Vuk_91 wrote: Since team 8 is out, I`ll be cheering for SKT from now on... Anyone knows something about playoffs,will it be 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3 -> grand final? And is it bo3 in both semis and finals,just finals or it`s bo1 all the way?
3 vs 4, winner plays 2 winner plays 1. Bo3, except final game.
Thank you. Oh I didn`t know that first place in regular season is so important And finals again just one set? I really don`t like that,especially with this bo5 stupid format,it means that we can get 45 minutes 3-0 in the finals
On March 04 2012 20:56 Vuk_91 wrote: Since team 8 is out, I`ll be cheering for SKT from now on... Anyone knows something about playoffs,will it be 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3 -> grand final? And is it bo3 in both semis and finals,just finals or it`s bo1 all the way?
3 vs 4, winner plays 2 winner plays 1. Bo3, except final game.
Thank you. Oh I didn`t know that first place in regular season is so important And finals again just one set? I really don`t like that,especially with this bo5 stupid format,it means that we can get 45 minutes 3-0 in the finals
Finals is Bo7. Its not really practical to have more than 1 set finals. Just imagin if it went to 21 games how long it would be...
I wouldn't be too upset if Khan got the 1st seed and KT got 2nd.
I want to see a new Grand Final for the first time since 2009. Let it be Khan/CJ/Stars vs. KT. You can stay away, SKT1. We haven't had a final without you since 2008.
On March 04 2012 21:19 Fionn wrote: I wouldn't be too upset if Khan got the 1st seed and KT got 2nd.
I want to see a new Grand Final for the first time since 2009. Let it be Khan/CJ/Stars vs. KT. You can stay away, SKT1. We haven't had a final without you since 2008.
Likewise. Haven't had a final without you since 2009. KT, stay far away, plzkthx.
On March 04 2012 21:19 Fionn wrote: I wouldn't be too upset if Khan got the 1st seed and KT got 2nd.
I want to see a new Grand Final for the first time since 2009. Let it be Khan/CJ/Stars vs. KT. You can stay away, SKT1. We haven't had a final without you since 2008.
Likewise. Haven't had a final without you since 2009. KT, stay far away, plzkthx.
I hope both KT and SKT will end up 3/4, so we won't have a KT vs SKT1 final again, but still a match between both. Afterwards they will have to win another 2 games to bring home the championship, that is more interesting.
It's so tight at the top, I love it. CJ and Stars are really gonna be close. KT usually beats CJ and for some reason CJ keeps losing to STX, if they can shape up and win of those they're in but it doesn't look good historically. CJ has the better chance of getting in because I can't see stars winning against Khan and Team 8. People forget that team 8 has baby and jaedong, it's not an easy team to beat at all.
Too bad STX didn't make it. They played such a good season for their thin roster.
But then again, it is every year the same, I want almost every team to make it into the playoffs. But this season T8 and Ace didnt deserve it. Ace was just too weak and sent out odd players instead of their best. T8 is just a story of wasted potential. Hope they catch themselves next season.
once again i seriously hope either SKT/KT don't make playoffs, or at the very least don't make the playoff finals. I had enough of SKT/KT in every single playoffs, and the final games don't usually turn out as epic as everyone makes it out to be
Slight mistake (I think, don't shoot me if I'm wrong )
If they lose, CJ NEEDS to lose both of their games AND have overall difference of -4 or more, depending on the result of Khan vs Stars.
If Stars loses and then CJ loses both games then Stars is fine. The -4 part looks like a mistake. However you write correctly in the summary for CJ that
Worst case scenario: CJ loses twice, will not qualify for playoffs.
So it seems like it's almost nit-picking on my part. Just figured I'd point it out so you can have the perfect play-offs analysis/post possible
Seriously, thanks for this snm. I haven't caught a lot of proleague recently and was wondering how everyone was faring in the lead up to the playoffs.
I assume Khan will make it and I really hope Stars does too (although they feel slightly weaker than Cj, but eh, I'm a fan).
On March 04 2012 21:19 Fionn wrote: I wouldn't be too upset if Khan got the 1st seed and KT got 2nd.
I want to see a new Grand Final for the first time since 2009. Let it be Khan/CJ/Stars vs. KT. You can stay away, SKT1. We haven't had a final without you since 2008.
Likewise. Haven't had a final without you since 2009. KT, stay far away, plzkthx.
I like the way you guys think, How about a grand finals of KHAN vs WJ?
On March 04 2012 21:19 Fionn wrote: I wouldn't be too upset if Khan got the 1st seed and KT got 2nd.
I want to see a new Grand Final for the first time since 2009. Let it be Khan/CJ/Stars vs. KT. You can stay away, SKT1. We haven't had a final without you since 2008.
Likewise. Haven't had a final without you since 2009. KT, stay far away, plzkthx.
I like the way you guys think, How about a grand finals of KHAN vs WJ?
As long as the KTs don't make it to the final, I am fine for anything.
On March 05 2012 01:10 taitanik wrote: so maybe i missed theres a lot to read and im lazy but since im interested in CJ the most what 2 opponents are left for them to play?
STX and ACE. Which are eliminated. :/ Hope they play seriously.
On March 05 2012 01:46 bearbuddy wrote: We really need a miracle, heh.
ACE beating out CJ will be difficult, but STX not so much. Their players are in good form. Once (and if) they catch Leta w Dear, they have a more than decent chance at beating out CJ.
Woongjin on the other hand, is pretty good vs KHAN, at least on paper, imho. Khan has the most trouble handling Zergs, especially creative ones, and that's exactly what Woongjin has to offer. Im optimistic about Woongjin's playoff chances (i ll say 30%-40%?).
I don't understand why there's no discussion about place 1 and place 2 in standings? Since they will need to play less games to win it all, I think it is quite important.
vs Khan -> 1-3, 0-3 vs SKT -> 1-3, 3-0 (5-pool, fast 3-gate with proxy, 5-gate all-in) vs KT -> 2-3, 0-3
Average score: 1-3
I also predict SKT, KT & CJ will all win against ACE, who haven't been able to win against any of these teams after upsetting KT in the first match of the season.
The important matches are Khan vs Stars and CJ vs STX
Khan vs Stars
-Khan must win against Stars to keep first place. If not, they will drop to 3rd place due to their lower set differential, to the benefit of SKT and KT (new first and second place). -Stars must win against Khan to keep their chance of 4th place alive.
CJ vs STX
-CJ must win against STX in case Stars edges out a win against Khan.
If Stars win and CJ loses, Stars will keep 4th place. If Stars lose and CJ wins, CJ will move up to 4th place. If Stars and CJ both win, CJ will move up to 4th place due to their higher set differential. If Stars and CJ both lose, CJ will move up to 4th place due to their higher set differential.
On March 05 2012 04:47 domane wrote: I predict that Khan, SKT, & KT will all win against Team 8, whose players must be very demoralized and less likely to perform their best.
vs Khan -> 1-3, 0-3 vs SKT -> 1-3, 3-0 (5-pool, fast 3-gate with proxy, 5-gate all-in) vs KT -> 2-3, 0-3
Average score: 1-3
I also predict SKT, KT & CJ will all win against ACE, who haven't been able to win against any of these teams after upsetting KT in the first match of the season.
The important matches are Khan vs Stars and CJ vs STX
Khan vs Stars
-Khan must win against Stars to keep first place. If not, they will drop to 3rd place due to their lower set differential, to the benefit of SKT and KT (new first and second place). -Stars must win against Khan to keep their chance of 4th place alive.
CJ vs STX
-CJ must win against STX in case Stars edges out a win against Khan.
If Stars win and CJ loses, Stars will keep 4th place. If Stars lose and CJ wins, CJ will move up to 4th place. If Stars and CJ both win, CJ will move up to 4th place due to their higher set differential. If Stars and CJ both lose, CJ will move up to 4th place due to their higher set differential.
Here's something VERY interesting: CJ vs ACE is the last game of the season. So if things go accordingly, we won't know who qualifies until the very last game of proleague.
On March 05 2012 04:47 domane wrote: I predict that Khan, SKT, & KT will all win against Team 8, whose players must be very demoralized and less likely to perform their best.
vs Khan -> 1-3, 0-3 vs SKT -> 1-3, 3-0 (5-pool, fast 3-gate with proxy, 5-gate all-in) vs KT -> 2-3, 0-3
Average score: 1-3
I also predict SKT, KT & CJ will all win against ACE, who haven't been able to win against any of these teams after upsetting KT in the first match of the season.
The important matches are Khan vs Stars and CJ vs STX
Khan vs Stars
-Khan must win against Stars to keep first place. If not, they will drop to 3rd place due to their lower set differential, to the benefit of SKT and KT (new first and second place). -Stars must win against Khan to keep their chance of 4th place alive.
CJ vs STX
-CJ must win against STX in case Stars edges out a win against Khan.
If Stars win and CJ loses, Stars will keep 4th place. If Stars lose and CJ wins, CJ will move up to 4th place. If Stars and CJ both win, CJ will move up to 4th place due to their higher set differential. If Stars and CJ both lose, CJ will move up to 4th place due to their higher set differential.
Here's something VERY interesting: CJ vs ACE is the last game of the season. So if things go accordingly, we won't know who qualifies until the very last game of proleague.
how great would it be if ACE actually won that game and cockblocked CJ to make way for stars.
On March 04 2012 20:56 thopol wrote: It sounds crazy, but I want CJ to win more than I want T1 to lose. It'll be nice to have the villains in the playoffs. Let's go CJ!
This. And go KT of course but I'm not too worried about them.
On March 05 2012 04:47 domane wrote: I predict that Khan, SKT, & KT will all win against Team 8, whose players must be very demoralized and less likely to perform their best.
vs Khan -> 1-3, 0-3 vs SKT -> 1-3, 3-0 (5-pool, fast 3-gate with proxy, 5-gate all-in) vs KT -> 2-3, 0-3
Average score: 1-3
I also predict SKT, KT & CJ will all win against ACE, who haven't been able to win against any of these teams after upsetting KT in the first match of the season.
The important matches are Khan vs Stars and CJ vs STX
Khan vs Stars
-Khan must win against Stars to keep first place. If not, they will drop to 3rd place due to their lower set differential, to the benefit of SKT and KT (new first and second place). -Stars must win against Khan to keep their chance of 4th place alive.
CJ vs STX
-CJ must win against STX in case Stars edges out a win against Khan.
If Stars win and CJ loses, Stars will keep 4th place. If Stars lose and CJ wins, CJ will move up to 4th place. If Stars and CJ both win, CJ will move up to 4th place due to their higher set differential. If Stars and CJ both lose, CJ will move up to 4th place due to their higher set differential.
Here's something VERY interesting: CJ vs ACE is the last game of the season. So if things go accordingly, we won't know who qualifies until the very last game of proleague.
how great would it be if ACE actually won that game and cockblocked CJ to make way for stars.
On March 05 2012 04:47 domane wrote: I predict that Khan, SKT, & KT will all win against Team 8, whose players must be very demoralized and less likely to perform their best.
vs Khan -> 1-3, 0-3 vs SKT -> 1-3, 3-0 (5-pool, fast 3-gate with proxy, 5-gate all-in) vs KT -> 2-3, 0-3
Average score: 1-3
I also predict SKT, KT & CJ will all win against ACE, who haven't been able to win against any of these teams after upsetting KT in the first match of the season.
The important matches are Khan vs Stars and CJ vs STX
Khan vs Stars
-Khan must win against Stars to keep first place. If not, they will drop to 3rd place due to their lower set differential, to the benefit of SKT and KT (new first and second place). -Stars must win against Khan to keep their chance of 4th place alive.
CJ vs STX
-CJ must win against STX in case Stars edges out a win against Khan.
If Stars win and CJ loses, Stars will keep 4th place. If Stars lose and CJ wins, CJ will move up to 4th place. If Stars and CJ both win, CJ will move up to 4th place due to their higher set differential. If Stars and CJ both lose, CJ will move up to 4th place due to their higher set differential.
Here's something VERY interesting: CJ vs ACE is the last game of the season. So if things go accordingly, we won't know who qualifies until the very last game of proleague.
how great would it be if ACE actually won that game and cockblocked CJ to make way for stars.
On March 05 2012 04:47 domane wrote: I predict that Khan, SKT, & KT will all win against Team 8, whose players must be very demoralized and less likely to perform their best.
vs Khan -> 1-3, 0-3 vs SKT -> 1-3, 3-0 (5-pool, fast 3-gate with proxy, 5-gate all-in) vs KT -> 2-3, 0-3
Average score: 1-3
I also predict SKT, KT & CJ will all win against ACE, who haven't been able to win against any of these teams after upsetting KT in the first match of the season.
The important matches are Khan vs Stars and CJ vs STX
Khan vs Stars
-Khan must win against Stars to keep first place. If not, they will drop to 3rd place due to their lower set differential, to the benefit of SKT and KT (new first and second place). -Stars must win against Khan to keep their chance of 4th place alive.
CJ vs STX
-CJ must win against STX in case Stars edges out a win against Khan.
If Stars win and CJ loses, Stars will keep 4th place. If Stars lose and CJ wins, CJ will move up to 4th place. If Stars and CJ both win, CJ will move up to 4th place due to their higher set differential. If Stars and CJ both lose, CJ will move up to 4th place due to their higher set differential.
Here's something VERY interesting: CJ vs ACE is the last game of the season. So if things go accordingly, we won't know who qualifies until the very last game of proleague.
how great would it be if ACE actually won that game and cockblocked CJ to make way for stars.
Oh man, that would be SEX.
You have a weird choice of word. But yes, Down with CJ.
A bit bummed that Team 8 and ACE are out now. I will be rooting for them in the next season. There will be a next season. I know it. Please for the love of god let there be a next season.
I apologize, because I know ACE don't stand to gain much from wins now and CJ needs it more than ever, but still I'm going to hope for ACE to emerge victorious just for appeasement of me lil' supporter heart
On March 05 2012 09:05 figq wrote: We beat Khan, no worries. It also won't be that important for them and for us it will mean everything.
Actually, it is pretty close though. If Khan wins against T8, a win or loss against Stars will be the difference between 1st place(a spot in the finals) and third place (a spot in the quarter-finals). But I agree about the greater desire to win (and make the playoffs).
On March 05 2012 14:34 ShadeR wrote: Khan Cj would be funny. Khan always lose to CJ and CJ never with anything.
That's why we always end with an SKT vs KT finals.
Khan CJ finals. tadaaa
If if if we are going to have a non-telecom finals. Please let it be KHAN vs Woongjin. (T8 would have been better, but they won't make it this time, so there =/)
omg T8 gonna crush SKT this weekend... Stars has the best chance against Khan and CJ is doing well lately. with 2 almost secure wins for KTflash the results would be like that:
On March 08 2012 01:37 quien wrote: omg T8 gonna crush SKT this weekend... Stars has the best chance against Khan and CJ is doing well lately. with 2 almost secure wins for KTflash the results would be like that:
what would happen in that case with those four teams?
I'd be very careful with saying 2 almoste secore wins for KT. Wouldnt surprise me at all to see them losing1:3 (and therefore confirming the name KTFlash)
On March 08 2012 01:37 quien wrote: omg T8 gonna crush SKT this weekend... Stars has the best chance against Khan and CJ is doing well lately. with 2 almost secure wins for KTflash the results would be like that:
what would happen in that case with those four teams?
I'd be very careful with saying 2 almoste secore wins for KT. Wouldnt surprise me at all to see them losing1:3 (and therefore confirming the name KTFlash)
Meh If KT makes it to the play off, hence life goes on and if kt doesn't life goes on too . Although the kt fan boy in me says that meh It's time to rely on our protoss line this year, instead of our slump zerg line . It won't be easy for us in the next two match up but I am confident we will make it through this time.
On March 08 2012 01:37 quien wrote: omg T8 gonna crush SKT this weekend... Stars has the best chance against Khan and CJ is doing well lately. with 2 almost secure wins for KTflash the results would be like that:
what would happen in that case with those four teams?
I'd be very careful with saying 2 almoste secore wins for KT. Wouldnt surprise me at all to see them losing1:3 (and therefore confirming the name KTFlash)
i know, Flash is always one secure win for the team. with Stats, CH, Mind, etc. to finish off the job, i have nothing to worry about.
On March 08 2012 01:37 quien wrote: omg T8 gonna crush SKT this weekend... Stars has the best chance against Khan and CJ is doing well lately. with 2 almost secure wins for KTflash the results would be like that:
what would happen in that case with those four teams?
I'd be very careful with saying 2 almoste secore wins for KT. Wouldnt surprise me at all to see them losing1:3 (and therefore confirming the name KTFlash)
ACE and T8 for KT.. Hmm chances of KT dropping at least 1 among these two games is surely higher than SKT losing to T8
SKT already qualified though, no matter what happens, our win differential is currently the best in the league anw.
I'm biased, but the most likely eventual standing seem to be:
SKT (nicely ahead of KT in terms of points differential, likely similar W/L eventual score) KT (KT, good chance of winning their remaining two games, more so than Khan winning vs Woongjin at least) Khan (I see them dropping their game vs Woongjin as well, but not before they take it all the way to set 5) Woongjin (this is pure bias, cos i like Woongjin.. Plus CJ dropping 1 among their remaining 2 games isn't too unlikely).
On March 06 2012 11:02 Ideas wrote: are playoffs still Bo5 or will they up it to Bo7?
bo7 I believe
If it is Bo7, I wonder what they will do for the 7th map, as there are only 6 official maps in the map pool right now.
Bring back Fighting Spirit? Nah, too old. I'm betting between La Mancha and Circuit Breaker as the 7th map.
bo7 format is usually just some of the maps played twice. Bringing back Fighting Spirit would be awful lol. Not even cause it's old, but because it's so overplayed it's become tedious and boring. I have no idea why the community attaches itself to one map for so many years. Lost Temple, then Python, then Fighting Spirit. That's pretty much the only maps that have been played by 70% of the community in the last 14 years.
On March 10 2012 05:28 blubbdavid wrote: Who is like me and thinks T1 and Khan = good corporation teams Fingerboom and CJ = evil corporation teams
Im pretty much this. With SKT n Khan being my two favourite team (with Woongjin, and the obligatory love for T8).
CJ is evil because they simply are. KT is evil because they keep beating us in play-offs. If there would be some miracle that would dump KT off the playoffs this year, i ll even give my awesome left ball for that to happen.
On March 10 2012 05:28 blubbdavid wrote: Who is like me and thinks T1 and Khan = good corporation teams Fingerboom and CJ = evil corporation teams
Im pretty much this. With SKT n Khan being my two favourite team (with Woongjin, and the obligatory love for T8).
CJ is evil because they simply are. KT is evil because they keep beating us in play-offs. If there would be some miracle that would dump KT off the playoffs this year, i ll even give my awesome left ball for that to happen.
Funny but I feel the same way SKT and Khan = good guys KT and CJ = bad guys
Flash seems more like the bad guy that nobody can kill as opposed to the 'messiah' to me Hydra and stats feel more like villains to me
While Bisu, Fantasy, Best, Stork and Jangbi are like the superheroes
On March 10 2012 23:33 Saechiis wrote: Can someone update this to include current results? Trying to figure out what circumstances allow Woongjin to advance but I'm dumb :D
On March 10 2012 16:11 hacklebeast wrote: Chose your own playoff adventure! Just pick the spoiler of whoever you think will win the match
summary: khan, stars, kt, and cj can all be 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or out with the correct conditions. stars can win and not make the playoffs, and they can lose and still make the playoffs.
It's somewhere in here ^^ Figured I'd post this in general because it's so nifty!
On March 10 2012 23:33 Saechiis wrote: Can someone update this to include current results? Trying to figure out what circumstances allow Woongjin to advance but I'm dumb :D
stars advances if:
stars>khan 3-0 OR stars>khan and (kt<8 or cj<ace or cj<stx) OR cj <ace and cj<stx
stars gets a first round bye if stars>khan 3-0 and and kt<8 and (cj<ace or cj<stx)
Why do people always underestimate ACE potential to pull upsets out of nowhere? :p Stay tuned for CJ match, which will once again be very high stake game!
ACE and T8 for KT.. Hmm chances of KT dropping at least 1 among these two games is surely higher than SKT losing to T8
Why do people always underestimate ACE potential to pull upsets out of nowhere? :p Stay tuned for CJ match, which will once again be very high stake game!
Why do you quote me and then say that? o.O I'm certain i was saying that ACE and T8 have decent chance at beating KT
ACE and T8 for KT.. Hmm chances of KT dropping at least 1 among these two games is surely higher than SKT losing to T8
Why do people always underestimate ACE potential to pull upsets out of nowhere? :p Stay tuned for CJ match, which will once again be very high stake game!
Why do you quote me and then say that? o.O I'm certain i was saying that ACE and T8 have decent chance at beating KT
Ah. You aren't quien. Had momentary cognitive blindness; I thought you were the one who wrote "with 2 almost secure wins for KTflash" since you replied to the counter-argument ffreak proposed. I thought something was weird with you having SKT tag.
Why do people always underestimate ACE potential to pull upsets out of nowhere? :p Stay tuned for CJ match, which will once again be very high stake game!
Overconfidence and greedy play screwed the "almost" secure win, so KT still in the playoff road see you in the finals, oh wait...
Why do people always underestimate ACE potential to pull upsets out of nowhere? :p Stay tuned for CJ match, which will once again be very high stake game!
Overconfidence and greedy play screwed the "almost" secure win, so KT still in the playoff road see you in the finals, oh wait...
Why do people always underestimate ACE potential to pull upsets out of nowhere? :p Stay tuned for CJ match, which will once again be very high stake game!
Overconfidence and greedy play screwed the "almost" secure win, so KT still in the playoff road see you in the finals, oh wait...
You're being bitter against ACE, really?
Really?
You lose nothing cheering for the under dog, fans being fans, don't start arguments.
Why do people always underestimate ACE potential to pull upsets out of nowhere? :p Stay tuned for CJ match, which will once again be very high stake game!
Overconfidence and greedy play screwed the "almost" secure win, so KT still in the playoff road see you in the finals, oh wait...
You're being bitter against ACE, really?
Really?
You lose nothing cheering for the under dog, fans being fans, don't start arguments.
Why do people always underestimate ACE potential to pull upsets out of nowhere? :p Stay tuned for CJ match, which will once again be very high stake game!
Overconfidence and greedy play screwed the "almost" secure win, so KT still in the playoff road see you in the finals, oh wait...
On March 11 2012 11:19 iSometric wrote: Can cj get in?
Theoretically yes, more likely than Woongjin too. They have better differential, and their opponents (STX, ACE) are relatively weaker than Woongjin's (KHAN)
On March 11 2012 11:19 iSometric wrote: Can cj get in?
Theoretically yes, more likely than Woongjin too. They have better differential, and their opponents (STX, ACE) are relatively weaker than Woongjin's (KHAN)
CJ loses today: KT and Khan qualifies Then Stars wins: Stars qualifies
CJ wins today: We go to the final match (CJ vs ACE) unless Stars lose today.
SOMETHING I MISCALCULATED:
CJ wins then Stars wins 3:0 -> If KT wins against Team 8 then CJ wins against ACE, Khan is out, I will literally lmao if this happens.
KT out scenario: CJ wins twice and Stars win, then KT loses.
Clarification on rankings and playoff positions (Khan v. Woongjin, KT v T8, CJ v Ace remaining at time of writing). Distinction between 3rd and 4th is not made because it doesn't affect playoff seeding.
SKT - 1st place Khan, KT - Playoffs spot clinched.
Khan v. Woongjin Khan wins In this case, Khan takes second place in the playoffs. KT is relegated to 3rd/4th, and the KT v T8 game doesn't matter anymore. CJ decides its own fate, and gets into playoffs if they beat Ace.
Khan loses There are two possible scenarios here. In both of them, Woongjin gets into the playoffs, and CJ is out. However, placing is still uncertain. If Khan loses 0:3, it is relegated to 3rd/4th place. KT takes second if they beat Team 8; Woongjin if KT loses. However, if Khan loses, but not 0:3, then Woongjin cannot make second place. However, if KT beats Team 8, then they take second place. Otherwise, Khan is second.
On March 11 2012 19:47 iLoveKT wrote: I bet woongjin will now be sending alot of fried chicken to Airforce ACE.
Probably mean KT? But yea, I think CJ vs ACE is the more interesting game either.
hmm? KT already secured 3rd. woongjin needs cj to lose to ace so they advance as 4th, but I shouldnt be explaining this anymore.
Ah I completely misunderstood you sentence, I thought you mean chickens as players against ACE, but woongjin is not even playing anymore. Just forget it, my fault!
EPT
Hopefully the knocked out teams don't start fielding all rookies or something or we're screwed.
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