On August 21 2005 08:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:
well im not at home right now but I posted this replay a while ago

http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=28809

just watched
pretty art with those 2 simul slow drops

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

August 21 2005 00:01 GMT

#63

On August 21 2005 08:18 ZpuX wrote:
FA, haypro was being sarcastic due the post above him, there's no way clawson/fayth are better.

Oh :D Didn't see the post above him haha

I was wondering why daaman said "you are wrong insane" and not haypro

EDIT:

Btw, whiz plays without hotkeys too (pretty much) ;o

EDIT2: Just noticed what maps the KOTH was played on, P/Even map, Z/Even, Even, Even/P, P

Pretty balanced~!

ManaBlue

Canada10458 Posts

August 21 2005 00:33 GMT

#64

Well I just watched 2 games of FA(P) vs Gurram(Z). Still no hotkeys. One game stood out in particular, it was a 45 min late game with the 2 fighting for resources. FA won, but Gurram was controling big hydra/ling and ultra/ling armies without hotkeys. Still low APM around 130. The lack of hoykeys shows in his play as P and even more as Z. Most really good players kinda massage their units as they move them to keep the army close (no stray units, temps with lots, etc.) Gurrams units just attack move around in a straight line and that gets him into trouble some times. Even more so with ultraling.

Other than that I haven't seen any glaring defects in his play. Macro seems good enough for the level he's at. I'm just amazed he plays this well with no hotkeying. But IMO he could benefit from control groups of units to help him manipulate them better. But holyshit, he's plays really well using a very unorthadox system.

I'm blown away. o_0

Twisted

Netherlands13554 Posts

August 21 2005 01:04 GMT

#65

On August 21 2005 08:36 Liquid`Drone wrote:
hmm
well I can try to rank my matchups
1 : zvp 2 : zvt 3 : pvz 4 : pvp 5 : pvt 6 : tvp 7 : tvz 8 : zvz 9 : tvt
thats how I think it is. zvt I'm inconsistent as hell but when I'm playing well then im playing really, really, really well. fast ensnare+lurker ling is so incredibly powerful yet not used by anyone else and it gives me a huge advantage that makes up for my not very good macro.

Bitch, you obsed me vs rapide !?!?

I played a few games with lurk/ling/queen on gamei too, mad fun ;D

Liquid`Drone

Norway28630 Posts

August 21 2005 01:06 GMT

#66

yeah well you did that cause I was obsing.

you gotta agree it rocks though

Twisted

Netherlands13554 Posts

August 21 2005 01:07 GMT

#67

Haha well I played a few games on gamei while using it too

It's so fun to do, and yeah it rocks :p

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

August 21 2005 01:38 GMT

#68

Twisted, reps! ;D

ParasitJonte

Sweden1768 Posts

August 21 2005 02:11 GMT

#69

Jerblues and whiz2 were his akas during tlt.

and he is not overrated in this thread, only by zpux mby, but I doubt it even there ;] and I wanna see the spawn reps too !_!

littlechava

United States7218 Posts

August 21 2005 02:39 GMT

#70

On August 21 2005 11:11 ParasitJonte wrote:
Jerblues and whiz2 were his akas during tlt.

and he is not overrated in this thread, only by zpux mby, but I doubt it even there ;] and I wanna see the spawn reps too !_!

yup, i've thought he was a good player for a while, but didn't even know he used no hotkeys :0
his tlt reppacks are still up if anyone is interested:
http://www.wgtour.com/news.php?idN=12528&datab=broodwar

RataN

Sweden6 Posts

August 21 2005 03:35 GMT

#71

"JerBlues (aka whiz) Previous packs: 1 New pack: 2" , just red that on wgt ^^ for those who thought it was whiz, it wasn't..

and for the ones who's slow in there heads, Jerblues = gurram^^

ParasitJonte

Sweden1768 Posts

August 21 2005 03:40 GMT

#72

LOL WGT sucks, "aka whiz" ROFL

Twisted

Netherlands13554 Posts

August 21 2005 04:32 GMT

#73

On August 21 2005 10:38 NeoIllusions wrote:
Twisted, reps! ;D

Hum I could make a pack of the 8 gamei games that I played ;o

http://www.freewebs.com/twisted1234/smallgameireplaypack.rar

freewebs is horribly slow though ;<

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

August 21 2005 04:40 GMT

#74

Ty~

Eatme

Switzerland3919 Posts

August 21 2005 05:16 GMT

#75

He beat Trek 3-2 in november last year in some similar games, Koth or some GE thingy I guess.

orzhady

Sweden180 Posts

August 21 2005 05:19 GMT

#76

I use to observe gurram a little irl from time to time since i live just a couple of blocks away from him.
hes not that super fast with the mouse, actually. and the thing im most impressed with is that he use close to the lowest mouse sensitivity.
also he doesnt build most things pressing for example "b + o"( for observatory) at the keyboard but he press "b" then with the mouse he select the observatory pic.
and as zpux or someone said, he doesnt use hotkeyes with zerg or terran ether, thats just the way he play.

i think i had a fp vod with him which we recorded a while ago, ill try to find it if someone shows intrest.

Hasse

Sweden579 Posts

August 21 2005 05:37 GMT

#77

go orz!

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

August 21 2005 05:38 GMT

#78

I'd like to see a fpvod of Gurram. The whole idea of playing Protoss without hotkeys still boggles me. I play P as well.

PuertoRican

United States5709 Posts

August 21 2005 05:53 GMT

#79

i knew Gurram was gonna win, i had put 40 or 50 gosubet points on him and got 200 back.

trek is pretty much washed up, he'd be better if he stuck to sc, imo that is.

ManaBlue

Canada10458 Posts

August 21 2005 07:09 GMT

#80

I'd like to see that FPVOD too if you have it.

And puerto, I also bet on Gurram, but only because of the percentages and after watching the games and seeing the BWchart I was just so confused I didn't understand what happened.