EPTAnd do you remember that Interview with a korean proteam coach? he said they were looking for pure skills, handspeed etc, guess if gurram started use hotkeys (which he most likely wont) but anyway, now he dont have any job anymore so he's gonna massgame alot, play the ladders etc, and I really hope to see him in TmG/mYm/SSV very soon cuz there's where he belong.
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ZpuX
Sweden1230 Posts
And do you remember that Interview with a korean proteam coach? he said they were looking for pure skills, handspeed etc, guess if gurram started use hotkeys (which he most likely wont) but anyway, now he dont have any job anymore so he's gonna massgame alot, play the ladders etc, and I really hope to see him in TmG/mYm/SSV very soon cuz there's where he belong. | ||
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Wiget
Poland139 Posts
But doesnt he use ever 1 2 3 hotkeys for units? :| | ||
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ZpuX
Sweden1230 Posts
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YunhOLee
Canada2470 Posts
On August 21 2005 01:22 ZpuX wrote: Wiget, no that is what it is all about, he dont uses them for units for buildings, not for anything. And ofcourse he klickes on p when he builds a probe or z for a zealot. But when he moves his units he slectes them with the mouse over and over again. wow.. no hotkeys at all :S | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
gurram is good, sure thing, not top 5 foreigner p, hell not even close to top 10 foreigner. I will never understand how one can play without even hotkeying his units. It was one of the first things I did myself, I did it in like the SC game I ever played -_- and he DEFINITELY would profit from it, if he took the time to learn using them. As Eri said, you can't rush nearly as good PvZ without using hotkeys and as someone else said breaking pushes/contains in PvT must be a lot harder as well (same goes for breaking contain in PvZ). There is NOT disadvantage at all using hotkeys, it ONLY has advantages, it's just so NATURAL to hotkey your units.... | ||
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ZpuX
Sweden1230 Posts
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ZpuX
Sweden1230 Posts
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inc
Sweden889 Posts
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ChApFoU
France2982 Posts
On August 20 2005 21:13 Liquid`Drone wrote: it doesnt hurt your macro when you're a protoss player except when you are zealot rushing in pvz. protoss units take long enough to build to give you the opportunity to make units without having any gates hotkeyed. it really is quite possible to play with protoss without hotkeys the main disadvantage as far as I'm concerned is if you're using a lot of shuttles. like nazgul used to play with only buildings hotkeyed. which is really not all that different from using no hotkeys at all when you are protoss. if a terran or zerg can do the same then I will be very surprised though. Agreed, PvT is very playable without hotkeys it's just a complete different style of management. Many toss players hotkeys their buildings only esp in PvT TvP can also be played with very little hotkeys ( esp if your style is slow push / macro ) but I can't think of someone who would be able to play semi-pro level TvZ without hotkeys | ||
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ZpuX
Sweden1230 Posts
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Liquid`Daaman
Sweden1225 Posts
with naz, rekrul, smuft not in the picture i really can't say one protoss that is that much better. fisheye in better shape than his current one and draco i guess, then i really see noone! | ||
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TheRob
Germany24 Posts
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e1-Daft
Latvia19 Posts
gosu gosu | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
I would say hes easily one of the best protossplayers out there, I dunno about top5 though, but when I list them I cant find alot players that are better than him. Would be.. Fisheye,draco, and uh.. Rekrul maybe. | ||
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nortydog
Australia3067 Posts
 I use to play with no hotkeys up until about 1.5 years ago, honestly I could play PvT just as good as I do now without them but PvZ is just a little bit harder but just selecting and re-selecting isnt as bad as everyone thinks. Often I go 1a2a3a4a like 2 times and not all of my groups move so I end up just drag selecting everything and moving it in.. | ||
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TS-Rupbar
Sweden1089 Posts
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MaGnIfIcA
Norway2312 Posts
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gulii
Sweden2791 Posts
On August 20 2005 20:02 EvilTeletubby wrote: Who is Gurram~~ A pretty unknown (be4) swedish player who have proven his skills really hard this time (imo) Dunno waht u other guys say. But he havent been at the BW scene as long as TreK have at least ! | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On August 20 2005 21:13 Liquid`Drone wrote: it doesnt hurt your macro when you're a protoss player except when you are zealot rushing in pvz. protoss units take long enough to build to give you the opportunity to make units without having any gates hotkeyed. it really is quite possible to play with protoss without hotkeys the main disadvantage as far as I'm concerned is if you're using a lot of shuttles. like nazgul used to play with only buildings hotkeyed. which is really not all that different from using no hotkeys at all when you are protoss. if a terran or zerg can do the same then I will be very surprised though. Gurram playz zvp. Anyhow, that LX (aka PNZ=Legendary) guy who beat boxer, PJ and played to a draw vs Kingdom is probably better than gurram  ! But, other than that I dunno o_o There's really not as many great protoss players as there once was even in europe so yeah. Top 5 sounds acceptable | ||
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
Whenever you look at a replay with some good toss and see that he only ever hotkeys his first scouting probe - it's bound to be gurram. And "inc." please just shut up. Anyone who knows something is entiteled to an opinion, and yes, mine and zpux etc are a bit biased but that changes nothing. Back when WSL was going on NO ONE knew him and I dled all his reps vs Oversky (2-1), Nal_GG (2-0), BlueK (1-1) not to mention all good non-koreans. Hell he had like 6-0 vs Zelotito ZvP and even record vs Willet in that ladder. And this TLT season, he would have made the playoffs if only he wouldnt have prioritised partying on 1st of may before TLT and let a friend of lesser skill try to manage it. Even though he didn't qualify he still beat for example yan 2-0 easy in the last days, while playing pretty even with most zergs. Since trek is inactive, this wasn't that big of a surprise to me. And he was not an underdog - he would have been an underdog if trek actually played bw. Other than that, I agree with Daaman. | ||
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