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Trek vs Gurram Gamingeye KOTH

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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
August 20 2005 10:45 GMT
#1
Source: http://gosugamers.net/match.php?i=b&show=match_kom&id=171

The replays section of the site has all 5 replays.

Gurram beat Trek 4-1, and he was obviously a huge underdog.

Now other than reporting the match, there was another reason I'm posting this. I watched the replays, and foundout from BWchart that Gurram doesn't use hotkeys and yet was still able to win.

Now fine, the games weren't great, and they didn't mean anything since it was only a showmatch, and Trek is addicted to WoW...but in my eyes playing with no hotkeys is as much of a handicap as playing mouse only. And Trek even in his worst shape in a game he could care less about, is still a pG member and certainly not easy to beat.

So I guess I can't really articulate this well, but...what the fuck? Anyone else hear of a good player that doesn't use hotkeys?
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Refrain[FriZ]
Profile Joined June 2003
Canada4337 Posts
August 20 2005 10:50 GMT
#2
hm pretty good
MhX
Profile Joined October 2004
United States317 Posts
August 20 2005 11:00 GMT
#3
gurram is just really good :O
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
August 20 2005 11:02 GMT
#4
Who is Gurram~~
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 20 2005 11:02 GMT
#5
doesn't use hotkeys???????
what?
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
August 20 2005 11:05 GMT
#6
hm are you sure he used no hotkeys at all?
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
August 20 2005 11:05 GMT
#7
btw no hotkeys isnt like mouse only, you can still use the commands with the keyboard, doesnt hurt as much for p as it does for other races i guess
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
Fayth[pG]
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada1093 Posts
August 20 2005 11:28 GMT
#8
still..........
oOa
LaZyFoO
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada76 Posts
August 20 2005 11:30 GMT
#9
On August 20 2005 20:05 Sabbath wrote:
btw no hotkeys isnt like mouse only, you can still use the commands with the keyboard, doesnt hurt as much for p as it does for other races i guess


Doesn't hurt even for pvt? I haven't watched the reps yet, but I would think you would need to hotkey some gates for decent macro to beat trek ;/
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SMiLE[bwd]
Profile Joined August 2005
United States233 Posts
August 20 2005 11:42 GMT
#10
no hotkeys... since hotkeying is now a habit for me, i don't think i can play a game without hotkeys. i would be so frustrated ><
well done gurram. gg
LastOnesLeft
Profile Joined August 2005
United States36 Posts
August 20 2005 11:46 GMT
#11
crazy ass bitch
simply the best~
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
August 20 2005 11:56 GMT
#12
On August 20 2005 20:30 LaZyFoO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2005 20:05 Sabbath wrote:
btw no hotkeys isnt like mouse only, you can still use the commands with the keyboard, doesnt hurt as much for p as it does for other races i guess


Doesn't hurt even for pvt? I haven't watched the reps yet, but I would think you would need to hotkey some gates for decent macro to beat trek ;/

well i would think it would hurt micro more but maybe not so (im a terran player)

and dont get me wrong i still think its VERY strange that he used no hotkeys and still beat trek 4-1
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RiSE
Profile Joined April 2004
United States3182 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-20 12:05:57
August 20 2005 12:05 GMT
#13
How is this a surprise? He's been playing like this for ages
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LaZyFoO
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada76 Posts
August 20 2005 12:07 GMT
#14
On August 20 2005 21:05 RiSE wrote:
How is this a surprise? He's been playing like this for ages


Maybe so, but he hasn't been beating players of trek's skill for ages
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28630 Posts
August 20 2005 12:13 GMT
#15
it doesnt hurt your macro when you're a protoss player except when you are zealot rushing in pvz. protoss units take long enough to build to give you the opportunity to make units without having any gates hotkeyed.

it really is quite possible to play with protoss without hotkeys the main disadvantage as far as I'm concerned is if you're using a lot of shuttles. like nazgul used to play with only buildings hotkeyed. which is really not all that different from using no hotkeys at all when you are protoss.

if a terran or zerg can do the same then I will be very surprised though.

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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 20 2005 12:18 GMT
#16
You really think PvT would be at the same level if gates weren't hotkeyed?
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DJEtterStyle
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
August 20 2005 12:28 GMT
#17
On August 20 2005 21:18 NeoIllusions wrote:
You really think PvT would be at the same level if gates weren't hotkeyed?


I don't see why you need to hotkey gateways. It's a lot faster to mouse through gateways hitting d/z than it is to hit 1d2z3d4z, etc, and late game when you have 10+ gateways, using hotkeys for them isn't feasible. But to not use hotkeys for units is unthinkable to me. There's no way to get all of your troops to simotaneously assault a push without hotkeys. Mouse grabbing and atacking moving just doesn't cut it.
TreY
Profile Joined March 2004
United States997 Posts
August 20 2005 12:45 GMT
#18
Are replays available yet? I looked and I didn't see them.. I'll check gg.net now.. ^^
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-20 13:17:28
August 20 2005 13:16 GMT
#19
On August 20 2005 21:45 TreY wrote:
Are replays available yet? I looked and I didn't see them.. I'll check gg.net now.. ^^


They're there. Look at the top right of the page I linked. Also on the replay page.


And yes I know you can still use the keyboard keys. I didn't say it was the same as mouse only...just that I find it as hard to play as mouse only.

Anyways, I was just putting it out there because I've never seen anything like this before. I was, and still am, completly amazed.
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wishterran
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1045 Posts
August 20 2005 13:24 GMT
#20
i'd like a fpvod of this guy ;o
i haven't checked the replays yet but it's hard for me to think about playing without hotkeys.
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