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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28630 Posts
August 20 2005 20:16 GMT
#41
well I refuse to believe that he's actually REALLY good zvp without using any hotkeys.

good, sure, but he could be way way way better. the biggest skill increase I've ever had was when I started hotkeying hatcheries as zerg. and units are equally important.
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ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-20 21:43:48
August 20 2005 20:16 GMT
#42
oh, and gurram plays Zerg and Terran without hotkeys the same, and he plays them very very good - especially TvP and ZvP.

edit: well ZvP is his worst so mby you are right. But he doesnt build units with "select hatch, select larvae, select unit", he just "select larvae (all nearby with one double click), select unit" so I don't think it's really that important with hotkeys..
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Murph
Profile Joined July 2005
Canada590 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-20 21:23:53
August 20 2005 21:23 GMT
#43
I misunderstood, I thought by no hotkeys you meant you played without using hotkeys. Which IS mouse only. He played without assigning a hotkey to any structures or units.
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iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
August 20 2005 21:54 GMT
#44
Yes, Gurram is very good, maybe TOP5(still I doubt though) but after Fisheye and Draco there are several about as good as he is, like Pride, Clawson, Fayth and stuff. :o

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Liquid`HayprO
Profile Joined March 2003
Iraq1230 Posts
August 20 2005 22:05 GMT
#45
lol, pride, clawson and fayth better than gurram.
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[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
August 20 2005 22:08 GMT
#46
Pride ownz tho *_*! and does he use any of the F keys?
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iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
August 20 2005 22:09 GMT
#47
On August 21 2005 07:05 haypro wrote:
lol, pride, clawson and fayth better than gurram.


Yes imo they are too, Gurram is generally underrated but people seem to overrate him in this thread
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Liquid`Daaman
Profile Joined January 2003
Sweden1225 Posts
August 20 2005 22:27 GMT
#48
u are wrong insane- !
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
August 20 2005 22:42 GMT
#49
To clear some things up:

In every game he hotkeyed his scouting probe. That is all. Nothing else.

In the one pvt game he went Carriers...and still didn't hotkey them or any other units and he had a 200 sup army. o_0

And as far as people saying he's top 5 euro toss, I guess I wouldn't know. But the quality of these games certainly didn't scream of skill. It looked more like Trek playing half drunk. But all I can say is that based on this series (which is all I've seen of Gurram) he isn't even in the same universe as Draco or Fisheye (inactive or not) and certainly not even close to Eri or Testie either in PvT or PvZ (which they both kick ass at ) And Fayth, Pride, and Clawson, still play more solid IMO.

I don't know of many other good players that play toss and are exposed, but I would hazzard to guess that he is being overrated in this thread just an itty bitty bit. Good for Gurram. He beat a good player in a showmatch and plays in an unorthadox way. That's enough to impress me. Now I'll keep an eye out for this guy.

P.S. Anyone got other replays of this guy playing good players? I'd be interested to see some ladder games of him for TLT or whatever else he's played.
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Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
August 20 2005 22:45 GMT
#50
gurram plays a mean fast exp toss
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ZpuX
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden1230 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-20 22:55:37
August 20 2005 22:50 GMT
#51
hmm ManaBlue, that is the way he played, and always have. He didnt play any special strats just because it was a KOTH (not a showgame) and yes he is better than eri in both pvt and pvz. He is currently playing some gamei, like 1469 raiting there now with 27-11 stats.

And did u see clawson vs spawn games? yes sure, clawson was in a bad shape etc, but he still didnt stand much of a chance, have u seen gurram vs spawn? gurram made spawn look like a little newbie
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
August 20 2005 23:16 GMT
#52
On August 21 2005 07:05 haypro wrote:
lol, pride, clawson and fayth better than gurram.

No?
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ZpuX
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden1230 Posts
August 20 2005 23:18 GMT
#53
FA, haypro was being sarcastic due the post above him, there's no way clawson/fayth are better.
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-08-20 23:21:01
August 20 2005 23:19 GMT
#54
On August 21 2005 07:50 ZpuX wrote:
hmm ManaBlue, that is the way he played, and always have. He didnt play any special strats just because it was a KOTH (not a showgame) and yes he is better than eri in both pvt and pvz. He is currently playing some gamei, like 1469 raiting there now with 27-11 stats.

And did u see clawson vs spawn games? yes sure, clawson was in a bad shape etc, but he still didnt stand much of a chance, have u seen gurram vs spawn? gurram made spawn look like a little newbie


I didn't see Gurram vs Spawn. Reps? And I've never been a Clawson fan so sure.

But I think you're going a little off the handle to say he's better PvT and even more to say he's better PvZ than Eri. Eri rocks my socks off PvT and even more PvZ! Seriously, I just don't buy it. I'll have to see more of Gurram, but he's not better than Eri. No way.
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iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
August 20 2005 23:22 GMT
#55
On August 21 2005 08:18 ZpuX wrote:
there's no way clawson/fayth are better.


I don't agree, but whatever
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28630 Posts
August 20 2005 23:23 GMT
#56
oh I think it's likely that he's better pvt at least
right now maybe better at everything although if I play 10 games I'll unrust. but im better with zerg than protoss anyway.
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
August 20 2005 23:27 GMT
#57
We'll FA is sending me some reps from TLT so I guess I'll have a better opinion to show after watching.

I think it's also vital to say Gurram averaged about 130 APM in the Trek series. 130 APM no hotkeys.... I still can't believe he's a competitive player. His APM dis is all move and attack move pretty much. It looks like the report from an East pubby.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 20 2005 23:32 GMT
#58
On August 21 2005 08:23 Liquid`Drone wrote:
oh I think it's likely that he's better pvt at least
right now maybe better at everything although if I play 10 games I'll unrust. but im better with zerg than protoss anyway.


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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28630 Posts
August 20 2005 23:36 GMT
#59
hmm
well I can try to rank my matchups
1 : zvp 2 : zvt 3 : pvz 4 : pvp 5 : pvt 6 : tvp 7 : tvz 8 : zvz 9 : tvt
thats how I think it is. zvt I'm inconsistent as hell but when I'm playing well then im playing really, really, really well. fast ensnare+lurker ling is so incredibly powerful yet not used by anyone else and it gives me a huge advantage that makes up for my not very good macro.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 20 2005 23:41 GMT
#60
Heh, do you have reps of fast ensnare + lurkling? I'm a toss player but I'd watch that just for the novelty of the strat.
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