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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-24 03:19:59
January 24 2011 02:37 GMT
#61
I play at Korean time, and most of the time I face real D players. I'm D+, C- high.
Sometimes I lose badly and think the guy was really good, then I check his iccup profile and see he was not a smurf or anything and that's he's just a D+ player. Also don't focus too much on APM, there are a lot of people spamming. I defeated a peruvian zerg yesterday he had 410 APM and is D high lol.

Of course it's totally different at the beginning of the season !

The thing is, losing in BW is enjoyable, winning is orgasmic, so keep training :D

edit : btw you're in my friend list on iccup, so I guess we already played together ?
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xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
January 24 2011 02:38 GMT
#62
On January 23 2011 22:22 Shikyo wrote:
Iccup really isn't your best bet if you're just starting off, it's incredibly difficult. Even solid D level is easily equivalent to high Diamond in SC2 and you also are going to require around 150 apm at least in order to get to D+ and higher with most races(depending on playstyle, might not need that much with Protoss).

There actually are many, many 250+ apm players that are legitly D to C-, it's not like they all are smurfs, some players just play fast.

I'd just keep playing. Even if you lose to the better players, at least you get better. You really should aim to have 250+ apm yourself instead of just saying they all just are noobstompers or something, since the APM really is crucial in SCBW in comparison to SC2.


Kwark is B- with less than 150 APM.

Just wanted to point that out

I got to D+ with 90 APM or so
LunarC
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1186 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-24 03:01:26
January 24 2011 02:56 GMT
#63
On January 24 2011 11:38 xxpack09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2011 22:22 Shikyo wrote:
Iccup really isn't your best bet if you're just starting off, it's incredibly difficult. Even solid D level is easily equivalent to high Diamond in SC2 and you also are going to require around 150 apm at least in order to get to D+ and higher with most races(depending on playstyle, might not need that much with Protoss).

There actually are many, many 250+ apm players that are legitly D to C-, it's not like they all are smurfs, some players just play fast.

I'd just keep playing. Even if you lose to the better players, at least you get better. You really should aim to have 250+ apm yourself instead of just saying they all just are noobstompers or something, since the APM really is crucial in SCBW in comparison to SC2.


Kwark is B- with less than 150 APM.

Just wanted to point that out

I got to D+ with 90 APM or so

Let me guess. You and Kwark both play Protoss.

Protoss takes the least APM to play at low levels and win. Terran takes the most APM and game sense at low levels to win. Even at higher levels Protoss requires the least amount of APM to play successfully, though all races at high levels require an incredible amount of game sense.
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Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
January 24 2011 03:43 GMT
#64
It takes over 1000 games on iccup if you are total beginner to start becoming good.


I think analyzing pro replays is also something you should spend an awful amount of time doing.
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iskynebula
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States64 Posts
January 24 2011 05:27 GMT
#65
feel free to msg me on iccup at ek.dexter i would be more than happy to help you w you game. I am a C level terran and i have some wisdom on helping you climb another rank. This message goes for anyone out there that i can be of help too or just wants to play in general. I am mostly in op {pain] but feel free to add me at e.dexter. gl w your gaming
Oh I am sorry. Did I break your concentration?? Please continue. You were saying something about... best intentions?
me_viet
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1350 Posts
January 24 2011 05:45 GMT
#66
oh, i dunno if this'll help, but when i first started, i just hosted with 'melee' instead of 'one vs one'. It really helps in filtering opponents. What it does is, it won't count your win/loss. Therefore, all the players you'll be getting are those that either just wants to chill out/have nfi/like you. You won't get any high level smurf accounts as they pref to host themselves. You won't get those that wants to climb ladder fast and are at a wrong grade level. Bonus is, if you're new, you won't end up with a bad looking record like 2-100-0 lol

Hope that helps!
therockmanxx
Profile Joined July 2010
Peru1174 Posts
January 24 2011 14:00 GMT
#67
What about some replays so we can watch your current level...
Tekken ProGamer
CrownRoyal
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Vatican City State1872 Posts
January 24 2011 14:11 GMT
#68
i havent played bw in ages but im positive APM doesnt mean nearly as much as you nerds think it does lol

im pretty sure I can get C rank with 100apm
You're pretty when I'm drunk.
DerpDog
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (North)62 Posts
January 24 2011 14:31 GMT
#69
Lots of good advice, thanks everyone. I'll try out the melee games, see if I can get more out of that. Other than that, just keep reading more, watching more replays and so on. I think it'll be hard to play BW with my current connection though, apparently it's worse than I thought, so will have to get that working first. And yeah -Endy-, I remember having you on my friend list too, but don't think I ever saw you online!

I don't think it's that a lot of APM = a good player, but that good players often have higher APM. Anyone can spam a lot sure, but having more effective APM is a decent indication of at least mechanical skill, is it not?
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-24 14:42:16
January 24 2011 14:34 GMT
#70
On January 24 2011 00:14 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Plenty of D players who have 250+ apm. I'm one of those.


How? What's the APM for? Spamming through hotkeys?

On January 24 2011 23:11 CrownRoyal wrote:
i havent played bw in ages but im positive APM doesnt mean nearly as much as you nerds think it does lol

im pretty sure I can get C rank with 100apm


I'm pretty sure you can't unless you're gonna cheese. Even with Protoss the macro and controlling army is going to take a lot more than 100. Do you realize the skill level of C? Nobody has ever got there with 100apm, no chance. Yes Kwark got to B- with 150apm but afaik he cheeses a lot and that's basically the bare minimum APM you need with Protoss to keep up control (I'm 140 myself and pushing myself the extra would definitely be the difference).
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
January 24 2011 14:39 GMT
#71
I remember when I started to play on iccup. I hosted a game called 1v1 D- only. and then spent 10mins kicking all the D+ to C- people that came in, many with like 500 games played.

People just work so hard to get easy win so that they can get better stats and perhaps also work there way up abit.

lame as hell!
PUPATREE
Profile Joined August 2009
340 Posts
January 24 2011 14:57 GMT
#72
Frequenting 'op teamliquid' and 'iccup training program' as others suggested would be good. Consider joining a clan too.

And I hit C- with ~105apm as zerg a couple seasons back. have to say though- while apm definitely isn't everything, my speed (or lack thereof) holds back my play much more than anything else right now.
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
January 24 2011 14:58 GMT
#73
On January 23 2011 22:11 evilfatsh1t wrote:
yeah iccup is a bitch. takes ages to actually improve on iccup as well...since you just get assraped by B/C players and you have to self review all the stuff you did wrong
but other than that its good to see you have decided to stay away from the dark side. sc2 sucks more than iccup does


That's how you actually get better. If you constantly get stomped by B players then you will learn more than getting beat by C players.

OP, the game is so developed that it will take some time to get good.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
CrownRoyal
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Vatican City State1872 Posts
January 24 2011 15:04 GMT
#74
On January 24 2011 23:34 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2011 00:14 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Plenty of D players who have 250+ apm. I'm one of those.


How? What's the APM for? Spamming through hotkeys?

Show nested quote +
On January 24 2011 23:11 CrownRoyal wrote:
i havent played bw in ages but im positive APM doesnt mean nearly as much as you nerds think it does lol

im pretty sure I can get C rank with 100apm


I'm pretty sure you can't unless you're gonna cheese. Even with Protoss the macro and controlling army is going to take a lot more than 100. Do you realize the skill level of C? Nobody has ever got there with 100apm, no chance. Yes Kwark got to B- with 150apm but afaik he cheeses a lot and that's basically the bare minimum APM you need with Protoss to keep up control (I'm 140 myself and pushing myself the extra would definitely be the difference).


if i cared enough i would prove you wrong and get c rank with all games below 120apm

unless bw got drastically harder since PGT i was B+ with 120ish apm maybe i cant even get C rank now lol
You're pretty when I'm drunk.
therockmanxx
Profile Joined July 2010
Peru1174 Posts
January 24 2011 15:12 GMT
#75
You need a lot more than 100apm to be able to micro macro and multitasking...
Apm is important to know your current state of this
Tekken ProGamer
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
January 24 2011 15:14 GMT
#76
On January 25 2011 00:04 CrownRoyal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2011 23:34 infinity2k9 wrote:
On January 24 2011 00:14 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Plenty of D players who have 250+ apm. I'm one of those.


How? What's the APM for? Spamming through hotkeys?

On January 24 2011 23:11 CrownRoyal wrote:
i havent played bw in ages but im positive APM doesnt mean nearly as much as you nerds think it does lol

im pretty sure I can get C rank with 100apm


I'm pretty sure you can't unless you're gonna cheese. Even with Protoss the macro and controlling army is going to take a lot more than 100. Do you realize the skill level of C? Nobody has ever got there with 100apm, no chance. Yes Kwark got to B- with 150apm but afaik he cheeses a lot and that's basically the bare minimum APM you need with Protoss to keep up control (I'm 140 myself and pushing myself the extra would definitely be the difference).


if i cared enough i would prove you wrong and get c rank with all games below 120apm

unless bw got drastically harder since PGT i was B+ with 120ish apm maybe i cant even get C rank now lol

Hahaha, are you kidding, of course PGT was easier. PGT is like 2004/2005... I would be a top foreigner if I could go back in time to that era.
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CrownRoyal
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Vatican City State1872 Posts
January 24 2011 15:45 GMT
#77
what u guys dont realize is obviously im going to spike at 250+

its just u can macro 95% efficiently with 50apm and u dont need to spam
You're pretty when I'm drunk.
TheGlassface
Profile Joined November 2010
United States612 Posts
January 24 2011 15:50 GMT
#78
It's really weird seeing all the racism going on against Koreans...even if it's a compliment it's still stereotyping. Just because they're Korean doesn't make them automatically equipped with a +5 Brood War skill.

Just play.

Same advice goes for the whole ICCup difficulty ranking. You'll win some, you'll lose some. Just keep at it.

Best ways to improve are of course watching pros, practicing a basic build order until you feel comfortable and mass gaming,be sure to take breaks though

Welcome to BW!
The mystery of life is not a problem to solve, but a reality to experience. **Hang in there STX fans!! Kal Hwaiting!**
lastreason
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania250 Posts
January 24 2011 16:31 GMT
#79
hang in there 1 more year and u will be c , i root for u
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-24 16:55:09
January 24 2011 16:53 GMT
#80
On January 24 2011 23:11 CrownRoyal wrote:
i havent played bw in ages but im positive APM doesnt mean nearly as much as you nerds think it does lol

im pretty sure I can get C rank with 100apm



That's because you play protoss. You can get to B with 100 apm with protoss.

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