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D rank is hard on iCCup. It's not like SC2 where Blizzard coddles you and gives you shiny ranks and makes sure you'll never play against people better than you. Legit D rank players really do have 200 apm. They really are noobs. They will not make it to C rank by the end of the season. I've played against D players with 250 APM, and let me tell you, they are still bad despite that APM. Perhaps because of that APM. The competition just isn't as soft as it is in SC2. SC2 Master is not going to really translate to anything in BW, the way C rank BW translates to SC2 god.
My advice to you is to find some other SC2 players to come back to BW with you and have some fun games. Try to develop a rivalry with one of them, and have fun. I've ranted about ladder before. It's a very specific activity that tests you, and it's not really fun in and of itself (it really depends on you and your attitude). However, playing with friends is always fun, so get some to come back with you. You don't have to be B- or even C- to have fun with BroodWar. Those ranks actually mean something competition wise, it's not like Masters in SC2 where everyone can be it if they have a little RTS experience.
edit: Game sense and understanding are so much more important than APM.
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having said that, BW is sooo much better than sc2 though. not even close. i can barely play sc2 anymore.
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hit me up, nightt.terrors on iccup. im d/d+ with a d- pvz
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Most Noobs with High APM is just Spam .. this is what i realized 3 or so seasons ago :D
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Hate to break it to ya buddy, but you gotta give some credit to D rank players. Hell, I'm high rank B- and I still lose to D/D+ players from time to time (whether they're legit D is another story). And it's not rare for a D rank player to have 250+ APM these days. Also, it's not like high ranked players stay at D rank to bully noobs... when a season restarts they begin at D, so it's possible you ran into one of those players. And sometimes high ranked players start playing late in the season so they can have pretty stats.
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Croatia9521 Posts
On January 24 2011 00:33 Chef wrote:
D rank is hard on iCCup. It's not like SC2 where Blizzard coddles you and gives you shiny ranks and makes sure you'll never play against people better than you. Legit D rank players really do have 200 apm. They really are noobs. They will not make it to C rank by the end of the season. I've played against D players with 250 APM, and let me tell you, they are still bad despite that APM. Perhaps because of that APM. The competition just isn't as soft as it is in SC2. SC2 Master is not going to really translate to anything in BW, the way C rank BW translates to SC2 god.
My advice to you is to find some other SC2 players to come back to BW with you and have some fun games. Try to develop a rivalry with one of them, and have fun. I've ranted about ladder before. It's a very specific activity that tests you, and it's not really fun in and of itself (it really depends on you and your attitude). However, playing with friends is always fun, so get some to come back with you. You don't have to be B- or even C- to have fun with BroodWar. Those ranks actually mean something competition wise, it's not like Masters in SC2 where everyone can be it if they have a little RTS experience.
edit: Game sense and understanding are so much more important than APM.
but... but I thought nothing is ever in and of itself?
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On January 23 2011 21:13 virpi wrote:
if you are able to host games, use this command in the chat:
/rl 600 1200
only players with a rating between 600 and 1200 will see your game, so it becomes a lot easier for you to play against bad players. if you want to avoid smurfs, just don't play against people with ratings like 1000, 1130, 1260 and so on. finally, always remember that most human beings with a [KR]-tag are in fact starcraft robots from outer space.
funny thing is I actually had to get my [KR] tag removed and replaced with USA. Just my job moved me to Korea, but I'm not even a Korean American. I had so many people dodge me that I had to get my country tag changed by one of the Iccup mods. <3
On January 23 2011 22:22 Shikyo wrote:
Iccup really isn't your best bet if you're just starting off, it's incredibly difficult. Even solid D level is easily equivalent to high Diamond in SC2 and you also are going to require around 150 apm at least in order to get to D+ and higher with most races(depending on playstyle, might not need that much with Protoss).
There actually are many, many 250+ apm players that are legitly D to C-, it's not like they all are smurfs, some players just play fast.
I'd just keep playing. Even if you lose to the better players, at least you get better. You really should aim to have 250+ apm yourself instead of just saying they all just are noobstompers or something, since the APM really is crucial in SCBW in comparison to SC2.
lolz I got to D+ as Terran with only 120 APM
APM is definitely key in Brood War, but eAPM is more important than just spamming buttons over and over to look "gosu". I hope everyone is using BWrepinfo it's my Starcraft crack. I look at it after every game to see how much eAPM I have and my opponents.
BW Chart is nice too.
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D is actually pretty advanced in BW if you haven't spent much time playing. Why don't you just drop to E and try to play from there?
Also, BNet can be fun, but there are (were at least) obviously a lot of hackers...
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u just started playing bw, and you think you can rock hard?
dude, keep it simple. D players are bad, but still better than many of the master league gamers.
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On January 24 2011 00:30 Count9 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 22:22 Shikyo wrote:
Iccup really isn't your best bet if you're just starting off, it's incredibly difficult. Even solid D level is easily equivalent to high Diamond in SC2 and you also are going to require around 150 apm at least in order to get to D+ and higher with most races(depending on playstyle, might not need that much with Protoss).
There actually are many, many 250+ apm players that are legitly D to C-, it's not like they all are smurfs, some players just play fast.
I'd just keep playing. Even if you lose to the better players, at least you get better. You really should aim to have 250+ apm yourself instead of just saying they all just are noobstompers or something, since the APM really is crucial in SCBW in comparison to SC2. D level is actually master's league in SC2. But I agree with everything else in this post. It might feel shitty getting smashed 100 games in a row, but if you play better players you will improve, albeit not as quickly as if you had a couple practice partners.
No, I was D+ on iccup, and still beat a few D+ players when i played them after sc2 came out, and Im not even high diamond. Im barely even mid diamond (2400) and thats playing PROTOSS
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On January 24 2011 02:13 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 00:30 Count9 wrote:On January 23 2011 22:22 Shikyo wrote:
Iccup really isn't your best bet if you're just starting off, it's incredibly difficult. Even solid D level is easily equivalent to high Diamond in SC2 and you also are going to require around 150 apm at least in order to get to D+ and higher with most races(depending on playstyle, might not need that much with Protoss).
There actually are many, many 250+ apm players that are legitly D to C-, it's not like they all are smurfs, some players just play fast.
I'd just keep playing. Even if you lose to the better players, at least you get better. You really should aim to have 250+ apm yourself instead of just saying they all just are noobstompers or something, since the APM really is crucial in SCBW in comparison to SC2. D level is actually master's league in SC2. But I agree with everything else in this post. It might feel shitty getting smashed 100 games in a row, but if you play better players you will improve, albeit not as quickly as if you had a couple practice partners. No, I was D+ on iccup, and still beat a few D+ players when i played them after sc2 came out, and Im not even high diamond. Im barely even mid diamond (2400) and thats playing PROTOSS
Ya I was platinum toss in sc2 and am D currently and beating about half my opponents (if you ignore my first 5 games after sc2 which were all devestating losses). I could make a claim that platinum in sc2 = D in BW, but then I would be ommiting that I played sc2 online no more than 20-25 times, never cheesed, played a race that I basicly never ever used in BW, and just kinda BS'd my way into all of my wins by making up builds on the spot. Im curious why you were mid diamond and why these D+ players were D+.
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ICCup is really hard, even at D levels. D level for BW is really high compared to SC2's levels. I remember when I first started and I played in this season where basically everyone was a terran. I lost literally probably 50 games in a row but I never quit. Eventually when I started winning 1/3 of my games, I was so happy.
Don't be discouraged just because they are better. Be happy that you have access to 250 apm people to play with. All it takes is dedication and patience.
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On January 24 2011 02:13 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2011 00:30 Count9 wrote:On January 23 2011 22:22 Shikyo wrote:
Iccup really isn't your best bet if you're just starting off, it's incredibly difficult. Even solid D level is easily equivalent to high Diamond in SC2 and you also are going to require around 150 apm at least in order to get to D+ and higher with most races(depending on playstyle, might not need that much with Protoss).
There actually are many, many 250+ apm players that are legitly D to C-, it's not like they all are smurfs, some players just play fast.
I'd just keep playing. Even if you lose to the better players, at least you get better. You really should aim to have 250+ apm yourself instead of just saying they all just are noobstompers or something, since the APM really is crucial in SCBW in comparison to SC2. D level is actually master's league in SC2. But I agree with everything else in this post. It might feel shitty getting smashed 100 games in a row, but if you play better players you will improve, albeit not as quickly as if you had a couple practice partners. No, I was D+ on iccup, and still beat a few D+ players when i played them after sc2 came out, and Im not even high diamond. Im barely even mid diamond (2400) and thats playing PROTOSS
It varies from person to person. I have two friends who were middle to low D level players, and they're both fairly high in Masters league SC2.
If you have the mechanics to be a solid D level iCCup player, then you have the mechanics to make it to masters league in SC2. Whether you do or not is only dependent on how much time you're willing to devote to learning strategies and getting a feel for the game.
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just go on op teamliquid and maybe you'll find a couple of ppl willing to play depending on the time and day
One way I'd say to develop solider mechanics is to play 1v7 Fastest against computers, and keep your timings tight as possible and money as low as you can (until you hit 200/200 I guess). It's a good way to improve your macro, but try to incorporate some harass-based play so you get used to controlling stuff while base managing
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There are commands on iccup that allow you to restrict who can join your games depending on how many points they have. I dunno what the commands are off the top of my head, but I'm sure it's on the iccup site. You can restrict your games to below 800 points (or w/e D- is).
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D- is like diamond in sc2 right??
But u didnt tell us wht ur apm
Why dont u start in 2v2
I believe people dont smurf in those...
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On January 24 2011 09:07 therockmanxx wrote:
D- is like diamond in sc2 right??
But u didnt tell us wht ur apm
Why dont u start in 2v2
I believe people dont smurf in those...
lol yes D- is like Diamond because I am D- and Diamond in sc2(haven't played in a month).
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Australia7069 Posts
dont start in 2v2...stick to 1v1 for the learning process.
when i started on iccup i hit a fair bit of the smurfs. The trick is learning to spot them. Firstly, if they're korean, there is a 90% chance they're not a "legit D". They're just some B who's starting that account for the season. So ban them.
Is the persons rating a "whole" number, like 1000 1130 1100 etc, if so, ban.
Still suspicious? ask them to wait for 1 min plz and go look up their account on iccup.com. Usually you can see their past rank and games played and make assumptions from there. If theres no history just go. Losing isn't the end of the world afterall how else do you learn. Just keep on trucking and you'll get there
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On January 24 2011 10:42 Kiante wrote:
dont start in 2v2...stick to 1v1 for the learning process.
when i started on iccup i hit a fair bit of the smurfs. The trick is learning to spot them. Firstly, if they're korean, there is a 90% chance they're not a "legit D". They're just some B who's starting that account for the season. So ban them.
Is the persons rating a "whole" number, like 1000 1130 1100 etc, if so, ban.
Still suspicious? ask them to wait for 1 min plz and go look up their account on iccup.com. Usually you can see their past rank and games played and make assumptions from there. If theres no history just go. Losing isn't the end of the world afterall how else do you learn. Just keep on trucking and you'll get there
To be honest, I just play them. It's good for pointing out glaring inadequacies in your own play.
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Australia7069 Posts
Well yeah, i dont dodge them anymore, i'm just saying that when you're starting out, its nice to not have to deal with those games when you're trying to get a BO down
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