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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
On January 25 2011 01:53 Tien wrote: That's because you play protoss. You can get to B with 100 apm with protoss. 1a2a3a4a lol annoying trolls 4ever ! -_- u switched to sc2 really? if u don´t, u need to reconsidered that... trolls and fags are there now they have more spotlight u know? | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On January 25 2011 00:04 CrownRoyal wrote: if i cared enough i would prove you wrong and get c rank with all games below 120apm unless bw got drastically harder since PGT i was B+ with 120ish apm maybe i cant even get C rank now lol really, without doing any strategic play and always going for the standard game? | ||
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CrownRoyal
Vatican City State1872 Posts
im gonna download bw | ||
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
On January 25 2011 00:04 CrownRoyal wrote: if i cared enough i would prove you wrong and get c rank with all games below 120apm unless bw got drastically harder since PGT i was B+ with 120ish apm maybe i cant even get C rank now lol BW has gotten drastically harder since PGT. It's certainly possible that you could get C rank on iCCup, but being B+ on PGT doesn't really mean anything at all. At any rate, good luck! I'd recommend cheesing a lot--playing standard is extremely difficult and takes a ton of time to learn, and you don't seem particularly interested in that. If you're used to playing in the PGT days then "cheesing" (by modern standards) should be 2nd nature  | ||
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Ideas
United States8144 Posts
On January 25 2011 00:50 TheGlassface wrote: It's really weird seeing all the racism going on against Koreans...even if it's a compliment it's still stereotyping. Just because they're Korean doesn't make them automatically equipped with a +5 Brood War skill. Just play. Same advice goes for the whole ICCup difficulty ranking. You'll win some, you'll lose some. Just keep at it. Best ways to improve are of course watching pros, practicing a basic build order until you feel comfortable and mass gaming,be sure to take breaks though Welcome to BW! yea koreans really arent THAT much better. especially later in the season people generally get to their true rank. although it is true that everyone is harder during korean peak hours.... but as long as you dont play during that time you should be fine lol. dont dodge koreans if you get a game with them. really there still arent enough people on ICCUP nowadays (even though it seems to be growing again) where you can take getting a game fast for granted. sometimes it still takes me 5+ minutes to find a game. At the point I'll play anyone from anywhere in any matchup lol. just be glad you got a match  | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
Edit : And he actually GG after the game, unlike numerous foreigners who have no sense of sportsmanship. | ||
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Armathai
1023 Posts
For the whole APM discussion going on. APM is a helpful quality and it certainly doesn't hurt to be fast, however you can overcome an APM disadvantage through superior game sense, strats etc. Don't go crazy over APM though, I started off at 90, thinking I'd never get faster and got around 140~ now as T and beat protoss' with 200+ apm, its not a measure of skill. Edit: Wanted to add that playing koreans is great! Most koreans I've played against have opened standard against me and just outplayed me to shit, but its the best kind of practice. | ||
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MagnusHyperion
United States288 Posts
Seriously, this is game is hard because you are essentially being thrown into the mix against 12 years of development and people who have been playing for 2 years and legitimate D+ level players. My advice to you is work on your mechanics and fundamentals (macro, building placement, economy management, and multitasking) before you even try to ladder! ICCUP is serious business to a lot of people so tread lightly. | ||
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WhuazGoodJaggah
Lesotho777 Posts
On January 25 2011 01:53 Tien wrote: That's because you play protoss. You can get to B with 100 apm with protoss. 1a2a3a4a muahahaha, winning with T at a low level is sooo much more easy than with P. AS T you can stay on 2 bases which you get very early very easy. you can simply wait until the toss attacks your stuff which will happen at that level very soon and then A move in to his base. until that happens just scan all his expansions and kill all the probes with 6-12 vultures, maybe do it with a dropship. you need 0 micro (except sige and maybe some mines) to win battle you can even clump the tanks np. as T you dont need to care about the map (except scan for easy to raid expansions) at all your 2 bases is all you need to control and a raid group here and there. you can do all of that with like 80 APM User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
On January 25 2011 04:29 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote: .muahahaha, winning with T at a low level is sooo much more easy than with P. AS T you can stay on 2 bases which you get very early very easy. you can simply wait until the toss attacks your stuff which will happen at that level very soon and then A move in to his base. until that happens just scan all his expansions and kill all the probes with 6-12 vultures, maybe do it with a dropship. you need 0 micro (except sige and maybe some mines) to win battle you can even clump the tanks np. as T you dont need to care about the map (except scan for easy to raid expansions) at all your 2 bases is all you need to control and a raid group here and there. you can do all of that with like 80 APM User was temp banned for this post. I wish there was some way I could show my gratitude to the mod that handled this post so quickly. | ||
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terranissharin
37 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On January 25 2011 02:52 CrownRoyal wrote: okay im gonna download bw Sweet, I am a C protoss and I guarantee you would not beat me with 120 APM... Cheese is the only way you would stand a chance but even then it is hard to do. | ||
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Soulforged
Latvia934 Posts
Now, there is a ton of cheesy one or two-base strategies that require ~C skill to execute and ~B skill to hold against(with a 80%+ win rate, that is, not 50%). For someone who got B+ in PGT days, getting C in current iccup won't be a problem. These days, older strategies mostly are either considered allinish, or are so uncommon that not very many players know how to play against them. That, altogether, should constitute for a win rate higher than 35%. Now getting back to B+, that'd be tricky. Yellow ranks are a level of mechanics and execution, blue ranks are of strategy and expirience/adaptation(unless you do veeery abusive stuff). With opponents not getting caught off guard and more points lost per game loss, it's completely different deal. | ||
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hellbound
United Kingdom2242 Posts
On January 25 2011 06:04 GreEny K wrote: Sweet, I am a C protoss and I guarantee you would not beat me with 120 APM... Cheese is the only way you would stand a chance but even then it is hard to do. One can open good old 3hat muta and kill an unprepared protoss with 120 APM, even at C level this can happen a lot. But  !!!Getting back to topic yes iccup is swamped with smurfs and I hope that will get addressed somehow in the near future. I actually find D+ a lot easier than D. For beginners who can't handle loosing constantly (which is perfectly normal) I'd suggest looking for like minded individuals they could train with and playing non ladder games/obs'ing, op tramliquid channel on iccup is one place where one can look for that. See you there. | ||
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
On January 23 2011 20:30 kamikami wrote: You should host yourself : Host a name like this : FS D/D- ZvP u P Most of the time you will have a < 170 APM opponent. Also, don't host weird maps, the only maps you should host are Fighting Spirit, Python, Destination. No low-level player will play you in weird maps. Well Pyton and Destination are imba. Fighting Spirit is fine. Try proleague maps. But seriously, Python and Destination are 'weird' maps. | ||
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Dataleif
Sweden252 Posts
On January 25 2011 06:56 Gummy wrote: Well Pyton and Destination are imba. Fighting Spirit is fine. Try proleague maps. But seriously, Python and Destination are 'weird' maps. stats for destination: TvZ: 148-137 (51.9%) [ Games ] ZvP: 170-128 (57%) [ Games ] PvT: 181-146 (55.4%) [ Games ] doesnt seem imba to me. | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
On January 25 2011 06:56 Gummy wrote: Well Pyton and Destination are imba. Fighting Spirit is fine. Try proleague maps. But seriously, Python and Destination are 'weird' maps. In fact it's based on popularity, not imbalance. Low level players (me included) tend to fear trying new maps and only stick to the popular maps. To have a better chance of finding a low level opponent, host popular maps. | ||
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Frigo
Hungary1023 Posts
You could try hosting melee or obs games with a clear indication it is not a ladder game if malicious smurfs are really that big of a problem. | ||
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JMave
Singapore1806 Posts
i just wanted to say that being a solid D with the current stage of iccup is going to take alot of work and practice. as with many things, practice makes perfect. i could probably help you out and give you some advice and watch reps with you. i end work and am at home around 12-13 hours from the time i post this msg. here's my iccup profile. i recently managed to get to C- http://www.iccup.com/profile/view/Jmave.html | ||
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b0lt
United States790 Posts
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