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On January 14 2011 18:42 KinosJourney2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2011 23:18 Holgerius wrote:
I think Flash's 2010 is more ridculous. Flash's '10 run is enough for me to call him one of the best and most dominant players. If just he wouldn't have lost to fucking EffOrt i would actually call him the best 
Really, you hold Flash back for losing to Effort in the finals? What about Oov losing even before the OSL Ro16 twice during his dominant period? Or losing to July in a semi-finals? So it is more dominate to lose early in the tournament, usually to non-champions?
On January 14 2011 19:40 J1.au wrote:
I keep hearing that iloveoov more dominant than Flash because of the way he won. Supposedly he made his opponents "look bad". If all iloveoov was doing during his prime was rolling over people with ease then he should have better results to show for it. The fact remains that iloveoov was regularly dropping individual leagues in his prime. He was getting knocked out of one individual league a season by other players. He obviously didn't make those players "look bad", nor he did he "dominate" them.
Indeed.
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oov is the most dominant, how can you even argue against someone dethroning Boxer. Btw I don't buy the 'it was easier back then' story, the fact is that oov shifted the whole meta-game with his new method of playing, while Flash already had all possible strategies and perfected matchups served to him on a gold plate.
And btw Flash played for a lot longer...
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On January 13 2011 23:09 dras wrote:
- Had a stretch from 2003.10.23 to 2004.02.03, in which he went 33–3 (according to TLPD). This is the best streak by a player of all time.
What does this mean, exactly? I went 3-0 once. Rate-wise, surely that's better.
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The fact that Oov innovated the game the way he did is actually not very relevant when talking about how dominant he was. If we are discussing influence, sure, but that is not the topic.
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On January 14 2011 23:20 Holgerius wrote:
The fact that Oov innovated the game the way he did is actually not very relevant when talking about how dominant he was. If we are discussing influence, sure, but that is not the topic.
I think its quite the opposite. The new level of play that oov introduced is the reason why his domination was so strong. His style was something new and gamebreaking and people didnt know what to do against it.
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On January 14 2011 23:20 Holgerius wrote:
The fact that Oov innovated the game the way he did is actually not very relevant when talking about how dominant he was. If we are discussing influence, sure, but that is not the topic.
Yes it is very relevant or else there is no discussion about who is the most dominant, if you only look at stats.
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On January 14 2011 23:26 mdb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2011 23:20 Holgerius wrote:
The fact that Oov innovated the game the way he did is actually not very relevant when talking about how dominant he was. If we are discussing influence, sure, but that is not the topic. I think its quite the opposite. The new level of play that oov introduced is the reason why his domination was so strong. His style was something new and gamebreaking and people didnt know what to do against it.
It is the reason why, yes, but it doesn't make him more dominating than if he had gotten the same results by any other means. Fact; Oov didn't reach dual finals despite having this style that ''people didn't know what to do against''.
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I dont think that this fact, that you mention is relevant to the topic of discussion. You can say it in another way :
Fact: oov is 5-0 in finals - total dominance
Fact: flash is not 5-0 in finals - not total dominance
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I wanna say oov is the most dominant player of all time...
I mean, he had such a short time where he came straight off the bat and dominated until his untimely injury which led to his retirement and (i think) exemption from the army~
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On January 14 2011 23:37 mdb wrote:
I dont think that this fact, that you mention is relevant to the topic of discussion. You can say it in another way :
Fact: oov is 5-0 in finals - total dominance
Fact: flash is not 5-0 in finals - not total dominance
What the fuck? This is just so stupid. Are you serious?
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On January 14 2011 23:37 mdb wrote:
I dont think that this fact, that you mention is relevant to the topic of discussion. You can say it in another way :
Fact: oov is 5-0 in finals - total dominance
Fact: flash is not 5-0 in finals - not total dominance
Fact: flash is 6-0 in reaching a year's worth of finals.
Fact: oov is not 6-0 in reaching a year's worth of finals.
It can go both ways.
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On January 14 2011 23:37 mdb wrote:
I dont think that this fact, that you mention is relevant to the topic of discussion. You can say it in another way :
Fact: oov is 5-0 in finals - total dominance
Fact: flash is not 5-0 in finals - not total dominance
Honestly? Have you read any of my posts about this?
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I was being ironic (failed attempt).What I was trying to say, is that the fact that oov didnt reach dual finals does not mean a lot when talking about dominance.
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what about flash losing in the msl and osl last month though? his decision making was pretty terrible in those games.
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Oh, but it does. It is very common when discussing Savior or Oov for people to make it sound as though they were unbeatable, when clearly they weren't. There's always this talk about ''People just knew he was gonna win before the games even started''. Well, guess people were wrong quite a lot. 4 golds (and golds in WCG+WL+PL) and 2 silvers is better and more dominant than 4 golds.
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It really can't be questioned that Flash dominated more. It also can't be questioned that Oov did far more for the BW scene that Flash (or damn near anyone else) did.
I mean really, when Flash gets it to the point where he makes BW boring by making every final the same thing for a year, that's just pure fucking domination.
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On January 15 2011 00:08 dras wrote:
what about flash losing in the msl and osl last month though? his decision making was pretty terrible in those games.
We're talking about Flash's 2010 up until the beginning of those starleagues (since those leagues actually finish in 2011).
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16-3 vs protoss over that period of time LOL........
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On January 15 2011 01:37 dangots0ul wrote:
16-3 vs protoss over that period of time LOL........
Roughly the same win-rate as Flash had during 2010 vs Protoss (with around 50 games played).
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EPT
