EPTiloveoov...most dominant of all time? - Page 11
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champignones
Panama160 Posts
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On January 15 2011 09:16 LegendaryZ wrote: Flash showed more dominance than Oov and he did it against a better field of players. I don't even see how you could even make a sensible argument here.. have to agree. the players now are just that much better and the fact is flash has been the best around for the last 2-3 years imo makes him worthy of best of all time imo! | ||
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cujo2k
Canada1044 Posts
Shaq is the most dominant NBA player ever, but he's far from the best. Just sayin' I dono if OOV really is the most dominant ever, but I can see an argument for it. Personally, I consider FlaSh to be the most dominant as it is honestly a complete shock that he's not going to be in the finals of the current MSL and OSL. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On January 15 2011 09:27 MorroW wrote: have to agree. the players now are just that much better and the fact is flash has been the best around for the last 2-3 years imo makes him worthy of best of all time imo! 2-3 years, whoah, hold your horses! Jaedong, man! | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On January 15 2011 09:37 cujo2k wrote: There's a difference between most dominant and best player overall. OOV might be the most dominant since he was completely unbeatable when it mattered(finals) whereas FlaSh has lost multiple times in the finals, but is surely a better player overall, and is probably considered by most to be the greatest of all time. Shaq is the most dominant NBA player ever, but he's far from the best. Just sayin' I dono if OOV really is the most dominant ever, but I can see an argument for it. Personally, I consider FlaSh to be the most dominant as it is honestly a complete shock that he's not going to be in the finals of the current MSL and OSL. Oov's reign will always be questionable to me simply because he had no competition. His rampage across the professional Starcraft scene came right at the time we started seeing a major shift in the gameplay from a micro-oriented playstyle to macro-oriented playstyle and maps. Most of the generation before him were struggling to find a way to adapt to the way the game was changing and quite obviously many simply couldn't adjust. By contrast both Flash and Savior ruled with an iron fist in the face of serious competition. While their stats might not reflect such impressive streaks, the fact that they went up against extremely good opponents and completely and consistently crushed them is worlds apart from dismantling people that are barely playing the same game anymore. If we're not taking the development of the game and the strength of their competitors into account, I'd argue that Giyom in his time was far more dominant than Oov even in his prime because Giyom was just so far ahead of the game during his time that he probably WAS close to untouchable. Regrettably, this was also when Protosses were still going gas-first builds and players were forced to play in small studios wearing ridiculous space suits so it's much more difficult to take it seriously... | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On January 15 2011 06:46 Mortality wrote: That happened in OGN Masters. I'd like to comment that a lot of this is very silly. One of the problems with trying to compare players over different eras is that this game has changed tremendously. When I talk to people who didn't start playing until recently, they just don't have a fucking clue. Not. A. Single. Fucking. Clue. The very way that you think about this game is soooooooooo different it's not funny at all. So when you compare players over different eras, you have to realize that you aren't comparing the same skills. You are comparing a very, very different skill set. When you go back in time to Boxer, you're talking about an era where strategic ability mattered a whole hell of a lot more than it does today. Hence why Garimto commented in his blog during the SC2 Beta that SC2 is a harder game. Furthermore, we talk about "the skill gap" all the time and how it's "closing," always closing. But if you compare win percentages of top players today to top players from a decade ago, the difference is incomparable -- today's top players consistently have higher win percentages. I'm not just talking about Flash or Jaedong. It's true pretty much across the board. Top 10. Top 20. Doesn't matter. Part of it is changes in league format. Part of it is how the metagame has evolved. I commented that strategic skill is of less importance today than in the past. But metagame understanding is more important than ever before. A small change in build order. A small change in timing. Yet another subtle variation on a strategy that has been in use for years. These are the differences between winners and losers. I could go on. And on. And on. Starcraft is a completely different game than it was ten years ago and anybody who says otherwise does. not. have. a. fucking. clue. at. all. Trying to compare bonjwas like this is pretty fucking stupid. Thank you, I said it was silly to compare Flash and Oov a bunch of pages back, there are surprisingly few posts which take this stance and none which say it as well as you do. | ||
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BlinkNudie
Malaysia49 Posts
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On January 15 2011 09:37 cujo2k wrote: There's a difference between most dominant and best player overall. OOV might be the most dominant since he was completely unbeatable when it mattered(finals) whereas FlaSh has lost multiple times in the finals, but is surely a better player overall, and is probably considered by most to be the greatest of all time. Shaq is the most dominant NBA player ever, but he's far from the best. Just sayin' I dono if OOV really is the most dominant ever, but I can see an argument for it. Personally, I consider FlaSh to be the most dominant as it is honestly a complete shock that he's not going to be in the finals of the current MSL and OSL. That is just ridiculous. iloveoov often lost games that "mattered", and as a result he never reached more than one finals a season. | ||
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milkshake87
United States26 Posts
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dras
Kazakhstan376 Posts
- It looks like your bonjwa force hasn't died yet. So now, let's now go back to talking about the finals. KT has the "Ultimate Weapon", Flash. How do you rate Flash as a Terran? ▲ I had told Fantasy that "Your rival is Flash" a long time ago. In the long run, he needs to be able to beat Flash like I have beaten NaDa. Of course, I can only bring Fantasy to the front of the door. Whether or not the door opens is up to him. damn. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On January 15 2011 09:37 cujo2k wrote: There's a difference between most dominant and best player overall. OOV might be the most dominant since he was completely unbeatable when it mattered(finals) whereas FlaSh has lost multiple times in the finals, but is surely a better player overall, and is probably considered by most to be the greatest of all time. Shaq is the most dominant NBA player ever, but he's far from the best. Just sayin' I dono if OOV really is the most dominant ever, but I can see an argument for it. Personally, I consider FlaSh to be the most dominant as it is honestly a complete shock that he's not going to be in the finals of the current MSL and OSL. Why do people punish Flash for making more finals? I just don't understand this logic. 5-2 only looks worse than 5-0 when you conveniently forget that those 2 losses are still SILVERS that OOV never had a chance to receive because he was watching the finals on the TV or from outside the booth. I just don't understand... Basically if Flash had dropped out of those tournaments in the Ro16 or something instead of placing second people would view that as better? HuH? | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
On January 15 2011 07:16 AngryJackB wrote: Both Flash and oov are pretty great terrans. oov might have more of a metagame edge then flash, but they both own. But to be fair, that would probably be impossible to beat now when the game is so much more developed. | ||
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mnesthes
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Emperor_Earth
United States824 Posts
But, there's a caveat. 27 straight TvZ. Seriously. Dude didn't lose a TvZ for over a YEAR. wtf? Go look at each game. His opponents, or victims, were left at the curb in the fetal position wondering why the world had to be so cruel and cursing the day they were born. | ||
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