EPTI see what u did there, Blizzard.
Interview with Paul Sams on SC1 and negotiations - Page 6
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
I see what u did there, Blizzard. | ||
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toadstool
Australia421 Posts
On October 25 2010 07:04 maybenexttime wrote: Exactly, the reason why KeSPA broke the NDA was because the vast majority of people were giving blizzard a HUGE benefit of a doubt - including most of the current KeSPA/BW supporters. I know I did. In blizzard's best inerest was keeping those demands secret because their fans trusted them while they were already fed up with KeSPA's shenanigans. Blizzard took advantage of our trust. You're just making up conclusions to support your arguments. | ||
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leakingpear
United Kingdom302 Posts
On October 25 2010 07:15 toadstool wrote: You're just making up conclusions to support your arguments. Honestly it's not worth the effort, for every one person you convince not to reinforce their assumptions with more assumptions and opinions, there's 5 more posts that completely ignore you because they really don't want to have to think, they just want to express their adolescent rage. Apparently getting angry in BW lawsuit threads is the new nu-metal. | ||
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zenMaster
Canada761 Posts
On October 25 2010 07:15 toadstool wrote: You're just making up conclusions to support your arguments. Ya thats true, and everything Blizzard said is also true. | ||
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Renkaoru
390 Posts
What Blizzard don't understand is that BW is more than a business enterprise for Korea, it's also a cultural thing. A passion for E-Sports that they can never understand with their narrow-minded capitalist line of thinking. I sincerely hope Kespa is going to roll them over in court proceedings with the support of the Korean government. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51499 Posts
That being said I really want to believe this interview because I really don't think this Paul Sams is lying but looking at what happened so far.....its only wanting to believe and just believe. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On October 25 2010 09:59 BLinD-RawR wrote: Honestly,I support the players and not Blizzard or KeSPA and you guys should do the same I'll accept any judgment as long as the players can also accept it. That being said I really want to believe this interview because I really don't think this Paul Sams is lying but looking at what happened so far.....its only wanting to believe and just believe. Well Kespa is pretty much the remaining team's representatives and team offers money to the players so essentially by supporting Kespa, you are supporting the player's team and ultimately the players. | ||
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Phradamon
Romania191 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51499 Posts
On October 25 2010 10:05 Xiphos wrote: Well Kespa is pretty much the remaining team's representatives and team offers money to the players so essentially by supporting Kespa, you are supporting the player's team and ultimately the players. As much as you say that KeSPA doesn't really voice the opinions of the players,player might want a new system rather than the current system that KeSPA runs.Or maybe they want the old KeSPA back. On October 25 2010 10:09 Phradamon wrote: Regarding player's protection: eSTRO disbabded just when they performed their best season. I am so mad at Blizzard... what?It was an issue with their sponsor not blizzard.Please don't point fingers just because your mad. | ||
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lundril
Germany12 Posts
Don't talk about what you don't know about. Blizzard cared once KeSPA tried to make money off of the Blizzard IP - they weren't trying to before then. That was my original question: Did Blizzard try before to defend their IP rights ? So what do you mean they "cared" ? Did the sue anyone in Korea before ? Or just now that SC2 came out ? | ||
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leakingpear
United Kingdom302 Posts
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
They've already dropped it from Blizzcon. | ||
mustaju
Estonia4505 Posts
On October 25 2010 11:58 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: "support for StarCraft 1 will not be reduced now or later." They've already dropped it from Blizzcon. That was in the past. 10 minutes ago is the past. Quit living in the past, people! | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5869 Posts
On October 25 2010 05:44 leakingpear wrote:As for whether it's a far leap to go from broadcasting to distributing copies, the issue isn't the broadcasting, it's the charging for the broadcasting, thus why it all started in 2007. I'm not sure if KeSPA ever reneged on the charging fees thing, you'd think they would but again I don't think anyone knows (unless i've missed something). I think Blizzard probably think that taking control of approving and disallowing events and leagues (including individual leagues) is more of an attempt to avoid this in the future, but there probably is a case for the lord of the rings-esque no one entity should have that much power argument. I think it's one of those things that people will tend to extrapolate to some grandiose idea of holding back eSports becoming mainstream though, people love slippery slope arguments. If that was the case, then why didn't blizzard interefere and start the "negotiations" when OGN tried to charge for watching OSL live or when MBC started charging for VODs (not sure if they still do)? That was way before 2007. On October 25 2010 07:15 toadstool wrote: You're just making up conclusions to support your arguments. I'm not making anything up. If you actually followed the discussion regadring the negotiations since the very beginning, you'd know what I'm talking about. On October 25 2010 10:15 BLinD-RawR wrote: As much as you say that KeSPA doesn't really voice the opinions of the players,player might want a new system rather than the current system that KeSPA runs.Or maybe they want the old KeSPA back. what?It was an issue with their sponsor not blizzard.Please don't point fingers just because your mad. Sigh... The reason why eSTRO disbanded is PRECISELY because of the whole IP rights fiasco. IEG, the owner of eSTRO, decided to withdraw from sponsoring a team after blizzard essentially questioned the rights to ProLeague they bought for a lot of money. | ||
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On October 25 2010 07:37 leakingpear wrote: Honestly it's not worth the effort, for every one person you convince not to reinforce their assumptions with more assumptions and opinions, there's 5 more posts that completely ignore you because they really don't want to have to think, they just want to express their adolescent rage. Apparently getting angry in BW lawsuit threads is the new nu-metal. Of course, replying to an argument with patronizing comment and not a shred of logic is mature, and convincing? If you want to make a point, provide others with a reason to do so, rather than "its not worth the effort" because if its that you think, PM the other guy instead of littering the thread with garbage useless comments. You guys who believe in Blizz are only trusting them.. I have yet to see any arguments in Blizz's defence as to why them being in control would be a Good thing for e-Sports.. Only form of pro-Blizz arguments so far: talking down on Kespa's mistakes to make Blizz look good. Just to reiterate some points from my side (there are way more) 1/ Blizz has no experience (horrendous maps) 2/ No intention of supporting competitive play (no LAN support.. and they claims on WoW tourneys lols) 3/ They already affect players negatively (teams disbanding T_T) | ||
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aupstar
Australia912 Posts
On October 24 2010 13:01 Selith wrote: Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=111542&db=interview Broadcasting stations sent a new negotiation terms including their stance, and Blizzard did not respond to it? A. Blizzard cannot respond to it because we are not the negotiator. Gretech is the one that should be responding to it. So why is BLIZZARD suing MBC and not Gretech? They refuse to negotiate and sue. Is it just me or does blizzard seem a bit two faced here? | ||
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toadstool
Australia421 Posts
[QUOTE]On October 25 2010 07:37 leakingpear wrote: [QUOTE]On October 25 2010 07:15 toadstool wrote: [QUOTE]On October 25 2010 07:04 maybenexttime wrote: Exactly, the reason why KeSPA broke the NDA was because the vast majority of people were giving blizzard a HUGE benefit of a doubt - including most of the current KeSPA/BW supporters. I know I did. In blizzard's best inerest was keeping those demands secret because their fans trusted them while they were already fed up with KeSPA's shenanigans. Blizzard took advantage of our trust.[/QUOTE] You're just making up conclusions to support your arguments.[/QUOTE] Just to reiterate some points from my side (there are way more) 1/ Blizz has no experience (horrendous maps) 2/ No intention of supporting competitive play (no LAN support.. and they claims on WoW tourneys lols) 3/ They already affect players negatively (teams disbanding T_T)[/QUOTE] But your points are shaky in themselves: 1/ The maps will get better, this a broad subject. I doubt KESPA released awesome maps straight off the bat. 2/ WoW is competitive play. They ARE supporting competitive play, look at their balancing team and the GSL. 3/ This could be seen two-fold; either Blizzards fault for not working with KESPA or KESPA's fault for not working with Blizzard. Perhaps we're seeing it in different view points -__________________________- | ||
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