I think it's obvious to a lot of Koreans already that Blizzard at the moment is just trying to make it seem like they aren't the ones to blame. However, after all the years the e-sports have been developing, all the hard work that the Koreans and others put into it. It seems so...stupid and junviel that Blizzard just literally comes in after so long and tries to basically take the credit for all of this.
While I have known for awhile, the original people whom were with Blizzard had move on (mainly to create ArenaNet, creators of Guild Wars), do they really take us as stupid? They had NO hand in helping the scene for as long as I can remember. I can really careless about what they believe they have. The fact that they have resorted to shift blame to the other side is just ludicrous to me. While blame should be obviously on both sides, the fact that I'm wanting Kespa to win this is justified.
I had always been proud of Blizzard, ever since I picked up there games. I have seen them as reasonable and proud. Now my view of them have flipped 180. They can continue saying they want the scene to survive and BS it all you want but us fans here see through it. The fact that you guys, Blizzard, have resorted to trying to stop them from broadcasting means you want BW to die.
Shifting blame isn't answering the question. So don't think we are that stupid. If you TRULY cared like you said you do. Then you should have found a freaken way to resolve this.
i don't think blizzard will win in Korea , but if they do in that second all proleague teams will disappear ( i don't think they care about the bw players at all), bw will not exist anymore, anarchy will be again the word of the day ( so back to stoneera ) , and esport will not exist anymore imo
On October 24 2010 19:09 OpticalShot wrote: The only people this Blizzard personnel is going to convince and impress are the people who just recently joined the e-sports scene as fans - perhaps in 2009 or 2010 - because those people do not know the entire history of e-sports in Korea.
I resent that, i'm not as retarded as some of the other people on this thread. I've only recently started watching pro SC (prolly 6 months ago) lurked on TL for a while and only recently joined yet i dislike SC2 (as an esport but the game itself is fine).
Its so blatantly obvious blizzard wants to kill off BW, not amount of sugar coating, PR crap and spin doctoring will change that. Also i think blizzard doesn't just want the money, they want the control over all facets of the esports scene in Korea. How much control? Obviously too much if the broadcasting stations and KeSPA can't come to an agreement.
But of course this is all speculation on my part and hopefully blizzard will just lose the damn court case and i can fucking watch my lovely BW in peace.
What the fuck did he just talk about? Everything i see is bullshit all around. Supporting BW..what do you mean, i don't know about anything close to that. Throwing tournaments in BW? Only reason i see they might plan that is that they expect SC2 to fail soon and most people will get back to BW and that's when Blizzard will be ready to cash it in... maybe. Just leave the fucking PL alone and go do your homework with updating SC2 into being even bigger "s"crap station.
Would blizzard show broodwar the same love regarding esports that all the current leagues do?
Obviously the answer is "no".
Would it even be close? I doubt it...
If blizzard shut down kespa how many BW tourneys and leagues do you think they would invest into?
On October 24 2010 19:57 Gokey wrote: This whole thing has only one ultimate result... Things are going to shit; we just have to hope that the pro gaming scene will be able t o recover
It is a long shot but I would love to see kespa become empowered by the korean government to handle all esports in korea and shut down disingenuous attempts at esports from blizzard/gom.
You may enjoy GSL, you may even like the production quality, but for me esports is not about missing fusion cores because tasteless needs to zoom in and show you how a building looks close up in a protoss base.
On October 24 2010 13:24 ISighZ wrote: If support for Starcraft 1 has not been reduced, why isn't Starcraft Broodwar play on Blizzcon? There's like so many Starcraft 2 and can't manage to squeeze a slot for Starcraft Broodwar? I would say the support has been reduced.
Really?This looks like there's BW on Blizzcon even though it's for a brief moment.
On October 24 2010 13:24 ISighZ wrote: If support for Starcraft 1 has not been reduced, why isn't Starcraft Broodwar play on Blizzcon? There's like so many Starcraft 2 and can't manage to squeeze a slot for Starcraft Broodwar? I would say the support has been reduced.
Man who knew that the release of SC2 and the conclusion of the IP rights issue from years ago would end creating a retarded tea party-esque movement in the now minoritised BW forums where people throw out any real attempt at being unbiased and just gut react to everything with illogical bollocks while completely ignoring anything that remotely opposes their view point?
That said the average TL poster was never really the cream of the proverbial crop so I guess someone might've seen it coming.
Fuck blizzard those lying cunts, where is their strong support for sc1? one guy doing patches years ago? theres mineral hacks available right now unfixed, lobby hacks, anything you can name it. Doing their best efforts to remove the BW proscene they happily ignored for years for the sales then deciding they want to move it out of the way for the fucking shit GSL timeslot is not supporting SC1. Seriously fuck them, they are lying corporate cunts just trying to make more money as usual as if they dont make enough and the HUGE constant advertisement of their game and the Starcraft brand isn't fucking enough for them. I'm really mad at this, seriously.
Point by point of his bullshit as i read it here here, and just some rambling thoughts but this makes me mad the level of shite they are throwing around here:
- Limitations of time and resources for SC1?? FOR BLIZZARD? THE COMPANY THAT MAKES WOW? Here would be some real support: sponsor a BW team for proleague have foreigners in it, and generally play nice with KeSPA and bring the greatness of BW eSports to a whole new audience.
- We don't want to negatively effect the players yet we are destroying the whole system that gives them salaries, and take away money directly from the companies that pays and houses them. Um yeah... the system you make helps a couple of not even top gamers make a shitload of money in an imbalanced game for a year or so, but what about everyone else?
- The negotiations where their basically own the entire proscene and take cuts of the 'profit' from sponsorship deals and own the players is not FAIR in the least, its complete abuse of their position. They're a fucking game developer. They don't deserve control over any of this and is the courts have any sense they won't get it. And trying to palm it off onto Gretech constantly now is bullsht too, as if they are not making the terms.
- Then they try to say 'oh we'll even make a sittty SC1 tournament to make up for it if we kill it off?' GOM Season 4, with the support of zero of the established proteams. Yeah whoopee thanks Blizzard. I'm sure that will go down a treat.
- You just care about IP rights despite unofficially sanctioning the entire scene for years (the korean wing of Blizzard even licensing MBC/OGN) when it was massively profitable for game sales. Now suddenly oh dear our IP rights, we conveniently ignored them for 7 years now we care while coincidentally SC2 is coming out. monetary gains given to charity are you fucking kidding me? Then why did you TURN DOWN licensing fees for more bullshit reasons. I cannot even believe they would stoop so low in terms of publicity to try and bring charity into it. Take the money, give it to charity and leave it the fuck alone if that was true.
- Although its unprecedented in law, PROLEAGUE is not necessarily Blizzards IP just because its their game either. PROLEAGUE is more than just people playing Starcraft and that's it. The cost to run the scene is enough that broadcasters should infact have to pay a marginal cost to KeSPA to keep the scene running, as TV channels pay FIFA for their broadcasting. The World Cup is FIFAs organization, and its even a better situation than that because KeSPA companies own all the teams involved. Its as if FIFA owned Brazil, Germany etc. and paid all the players and yet a theorectical creator of football wanted a cut of all of it. He might be entitled to something of course yet not being the owner of all of it, taking sponsorship fees and generally being a dick and causing problems for a (theorectical) niche sport.
- Then the rest of it is Blizzard saying oh its Gretech doing it now, they are making the terms not us blah blah except we already know Blizzard did try to make terms originally and they were completely fucking ridiculous. If they care so much about eSports then WHY THE FUCK do you give Gretech of all companies full rights to your own instead of expanding on the completely existing and succcessful BW scene? Clearly for control reasons. Don't give control over whats supposed to be considered a real sport to a FOR PROFIT company. Why should they be anywhere near running an eSports scene instead of you know, the non-profit association that has successfully ran it for many games.
Sorry this is a long and disjointed post but it just makes me sick the way they are trying to go about this. They can go on about IP rights all day but i don't remember anyone mentioning IP rights when there was 100,000 people watching a proleague finals and Korea selling 6 million copies of BW do you?
edited: to make some things more clear. I'd really like to see one of those idiot 2010 joindate posters come in and try to refutre every point with 'wah its blizzards game so they can do literally anything they want with it even if it helps us in no way at all'
On October 24 2010 19:23 ZeroChrome wrote: I think the corporations that make up KeSPA should get together some of their pocket change and just buy Blizzard.
Had me going there for a second, until I realized that it's not Blizzard who's making the decisions, but Activision (more specificially: Kotick). There's no way that Activision will take into account the lives and futures of Starcraft progamers, the livehood of SC1 or the interest of the fans. No way.
You know those horrible tween movie/tv cliches where they say snappy yet awful lines like "I think I just lost half my brain cells listening to you say that!"?
Why the hell are you making me feel like a terrible character from That's So Raven?!?! WHAT DID I EVER DO TO YOU?!
On October 24 2010 22:02 MisteR wrote: Had me going there for a second, until I realized that it's not Blizzard who's making the decisions, but Activision (more specificially: Kotick). There's no way that Activision will take into account the lives and futures of Starcraft progamers, the livehood of SC1 or the interest of the fans. No way.
It bugs me when people do this... blizzard was greedy and uncaring long before activision entered the picture.
Why do you think so many devs left blizzard when they started to change wow into a moneymaking gimmick more than an intuitive game.
Continue to support SC BW? What does that even mean? Not taking down Iccup? Taking down battle.net would actually benefit the SC BW community as it would gather everyone on one server.
Previous Blizzcon and WWI events was more Kespa supporting Blizzard by sending their progamers then the other way around.
Blizzard could have tried to do something for SC BW esports before they released WC3. They never did anything, did they?
SC BW will still be on TV? How? Where? Is Blizzard going to buy all the teams and run leagues under Gretech?
On October 25 2010 00:02 Polydamas wrote: Continue to support SC BW? What does that even mean? Not taking down Iccup? Taking down battle.net would actually benefit the SC BW community as it would gather everyone on one server.
Previous Blizzcon and WWI events was more Kespa supporting Blizzard by sending their progamers then the other way around.
Blizzard could have tried to do something for SC BW esports before they released WC3. They never did anything, did they?
SC BW will still be on TV? How? Where? Is Blizzard going to buy all the teams and run leagues under Gretech?
Maybe they are hoping that everything can continue for some duration while under the GSL system. No teams, only prize money. That will make certain their transition into SC2 and fulfill their promise so Blizzard apologists will have that argument to back up their benevolent overlords.
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