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Interview with Paul Sams on SC1 and negotiations - Page 3
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seRapH
United States9802 Posts
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deafhobbit
United States828 Posts
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On October 24 2010 16:05 toadstool wrote: No, it's good when my friends who never watch Starcraft are excited about GSL, and share the same interests as I do. I like Starcraft. I've watched OSLs and Proleagues for years. But it's so much more enjoyable when my real life friends watch it with me. So basically it's only enjoyable if it's in English. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
Going to court to sue and thereby stop the tv station which effectively produces around half of the starcraft broodwar out there. No no, you dont wanna kill starcraft -_- I will be cheering happily like a little girl as soon as blizzard realizes that when they left the ladder they gave up on sc bw and moved on to newer games. Understandable, since this is a GAME company, let the eSPORTS companys be eSPORTS companys. Sigh, I believe the Korean companies more since they dont see any reason to suddenly want to donate charity just to seem like noone cynical. | ||
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toadstool
Australia421 Posts
On October 24 2010 16:22 Ryo wrote: So basically it's only enjoyable if it's in English. It's enjoyable if it's actively marketed and accessible to the casual gamer, yes. This includes it having English commentators, yes. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On October 24 2010 14:31 Boblion wrote: I don't believe you sorry. There was no Sc1 Blizzcon tourney. This was my first thought, but when you actually think about it it was probably hard getting players because most of the foreign scene went to SC2 although I am sure you can still get some good people if they actually tried and to get Koreans would of been problematic because of the issues they are having with KeSPA. I can't see any teams allowing there players to go to an event hosted by a company that is trying to destroy their livelihood. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On October 24 2010 16:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: This was my first thought, but when you actually think about it it was probably hard getting players because most of the foreign scene went to SC2 although I am sure you can still get some good people if they actually tried and to get Koreans would of been problematic because of the issues they are having with KeSPA. I can't see any teams allowing there players to go to an event hosted by a company that is trying to destroy their livelihood. They could've adleast made the effort to get players or at least have a BW tournaments with like SC2 players like Idra or the Chinese instead of abandoning it completely. | ||
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wassbix
Canada499 Posts
On October 24 2010 16:29 toadstool wrote: It's enjoyable if it's actively marketed and accessible to the casual gamer, yes. This includes it having English commentators, yes. Casual gamers, people that speak english. | ||
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StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
We will continue to support StarCraft 1 no matter what, and will continue to open new tournaments. The chance for that will continue to be provided. We don't want to see progamer teams or big progamer-based groups to be disbanded due to this. and We think famous, skilled players such as Lim Yo-Hwan, Kim Won Ki, and Lee Yun Yeol joining tournaments caused StarCraft 2 to be more prestigious, and more skilled, popular players will probably show more interest. We will take that as a good chance to increase the interest in StarCraft 2, and continue to work on it. are contradictory statements. In a nutshell, Paul Sams is saying: "My boss at Blizzard told me to BS the public about SC1. The truth is, we at Blizzard want to kill SC1 because SC2 makes us lots of $$$ but SC1 makes us jack sh*t. We will never admit that we are killing SC1 in public but rest assured, all our actions will point to us killing SC1. We want big name SC1 players from SC2 switching over to SC1 so we'll make life as hard as possible for MBC and KeSpa. As for the timing, we left Pro-League alone for so many years because SC2 was still being developed but time is up for MBC and KeSpa because SC2 is out! The bottom line is we want our shareholders to make $$$ and SC1 doesn't make us $$$ compared to SC2. The monetary gains being donated to charities is a ploy to fool the public since if we kill Pro-League, we and Gretech will be laughing to the bank! I am also laughing at all the gullible fools who actually believe Blizzard is still supportive of Pro-League! Hahahahaha!" | ||
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pecore
Germany62 Posts
I think they are forced by the stubborn Korean companies to escalate this in this fashion. So it is not really fair to hold it against them. If KeSPA or whoever said ok we will pay a symbolic licence fee and we will compromise in broadcasting times and then Blizzard would screw over BW I could see a point for critic.. but like this? I don't know. Also I think people should stop using the argument "But they stole it for 10 years.. why isn't it ok to keep on doing so??!" because it is kind of naive and is not helping at all. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
They didn't care about the IP rights 10 years ago when the proscene was shaping up . But after 10 years of entertainement and free advertisement of their game they have the nerve to try and shut - down Broodwar's e - sport scene after basically doing nothing to support them . And after the proteams disband they will throw the blame to the supporters of e - sports the broadcasting stations OGN and MBC which without them watching korean broodwar will not be possible . Nobody even plays their battle.net , because iccup is 10 times better in my opinion . So no i don't see how they are supporting the BW scene . Some weak ass tournaments with terrible streaming and coverage won't replace Proleague MSL and OSL . GSL is a well run proffesional tournament , but even Gom has trouble streaming . Their Blizzcon was full of shit ... 3 hours delay , streaming was terrible and geting the best english casters in the world to cast some replays instead of life games . There was lag thanks to no LAN , which is essential to tournaments . I would rather professionals host tournaments like OGN and MBC instead of this amateurish displaies . | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On October 24 2010 17:13 pecore wrote: Also I think people should stop using the argument "But they stole it for 10 years.. why isn't it ok to keep on doing so??!" because it is kind of naive and is not helping at all. It's a pretty good argument for trademarks. | ||
mustaju
Estonia4504 Posts
On October 24 2010 17:13 pecore wrote: All Blizzard is saying (by actions and words by the way) is that they want to control what is done with their IP and by whom. I think this is a legitimate desire for a company. Especially when the IP is so valuable*. It doesn't make sense to me to criticize this. I think they are forced by the stubborn Korean companies to escalate this in this fashion. So it is not really fair to hold it against them. If KeSPA or whoever said ok we will pay a symbolic licence fee and we will compromise in broadcasting times and then Blizzard would screw over BW I could see a point for critic.. but like this? I don't know.. I'd like to know how valuable you think it is pure financial terms. Blizzard already gets what every other company involved gets. Cheap advertising and a good image from E-sports. Now they want control for basically doing nothing for the past 10 years. It is only valuable due to the current state of it, so as far as I am concerned, Blizzard is stealing from KeSPA, not vice versa. | ||
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pecore
Germany62 Posts
On October 24 2010 17:22 mustaju wrote: I'd like to know how valuable you think it is pure financial terms. Blizzard already gets what every other company involved gets. Cheap advertising and a good image from E-sports. Now they want control for basically doing nothing for the past 10 years. It is only valuable due to the current state of it, so as far as I am concerned, Blizzard is stealing from KeSPA, not vice versa. Hm.. this is actually correct and interesting. But I guess it doesn't matter who improves the value of something but who owns it. It just sucks because when you look at it that way... both sides have to thank each other.. both sides should work with each other. But some individuals (on both sides) were too greedy and stubborn and now we have this mess and it probably has to be sorted out in the courts. Hopefully after this the BW companies will still remain and get their licence. Because I think a lot of people here are correct. Blizzard has no strong interest in creating new leagues or tournaments for BW... that's what the old BW companies would have been for, if they (both) were just able to compromise properly. | ||
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8057 Posts
On October 24 2010 13:26 tree.hugger wrote: It's like Macbeth saying he really doesn't want to kill the king, but he's still going to stab the king repeatedly in his bed. This. Blizzard should just shut up. At least they could avoid treating us as if we were a bunch of morons. | ||
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mustaju
Estonia4504 Posts
On October 24 2010 17:34 pecore wrote: Hm.. this is actually correct and interesting. But I guess it doesn't matter who improves the value of something but who owns it. It just sucks because when you look at it that way... both sides have to thank each other.. both sides should work with each other. But some individuals (on both sides) were too greedy and stubborn and now we have this mess and it probably has to be sorted out in the courts. Hopefully after this the BW companies will still remain and get their licence. Because I think a lot of people here are correct. Blizzard has no strong interest in creating new leagues or tournaments for BW... that's what the old BW companies would have been for, if they (both) were just able to compromise properly. That is exactly why they should get monetary compensation and no IP rights recognition from KeSPA. More than fair - they don't carry the expenses the others do, they even get PAYED, and KeSPA doesn't have to fear about having to quit the next moment Bobby Kotick throws a temper-tantrum. | ||
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
Kespa would support teams if they loose their sponsor until they find a new one wich happened as far as I remember twice. I think Kespa should just open their books, but there is probably some shady stuff going on aswell. All in all I cant believe this is still going on for so long... | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
Sure you can check my joined date (sometime in 2009) but I am Korean (check some of the interviews I translated) and I have followed e-sports throughout its entire history. Now that I've grown from a game-happy kid, to a teenage fan and now into an adult, I'm more aware of the external things now (such as IP rights issue). I wonder if people arguing that Blizzard doesn't want to kill SC1 and they're not greedy people and so on, I wonder if they realize that Blizzard could have done this same thing at any given time during the 10 years. Why now? Isn't the timing too obvious? As few people mentioned, "donating proceeds to charity" does not automatically make Blizzard a good company. Also, on top of that, trying to get SC1 pros into SC2 by destroying broadcasting rights of OGN/MBC (whether they have the right or not is another debate) is essentially exercising their power of influence by legal and financial terms. Progamers, although bound by contracts, always had the choice of which game they wanted to play for their professional career. Boxer and other SC1 pros had their own personal reasons to switch to SC2. I don't believe it's moral, at all, to basically force the rest of SC1 progamers into a game they do not want to play. Again, reinforcing what others have said, Blizzard did not support SC1 to the degree that they can proudly state that "they can continue to support it at the current level" as if it's a significant service. They never bothered starting up or at least encouraging serious leagues (like PL and OSL/MSL), even after they witnessed the possibilities from the Korean e-sports scene. Do not assume e-sports in Korea sprang up all in one moment with all the companies joining at the same time and deciding to have regular leagues with professional teams, and so on. E-sports took time and effort from countless people to arrive at what exists today. The popularity did not jump from zero to hundred (on the scale of zero to hundred) the moment e-sports started; rather, it was gradually built up through all the leagues and tournaments in the history of e-sports. Blizzard never took the initiative to do so, despite having a greater potential in a bigger market (such as North America). That brings me to my final point. Now that the Koreans have worked heart and soul to get e-sports here, Blizzard steps in to snatch it at the form it is today. How is history of e-sports irrelevant now? Do people need more irrelevant examples like giving a newborn, sickly and weak puppy to a friend 10 years ago then taking it back a healthy dog, expecting the dog to be all nice and friendly to you? Obviously that example is stupid in many ways but I hope people get my point. Blizzard, despite their statements made before and now in this article, will not and cannot sustain the SCBW scene in Korea if they push this issue as they are doing now. | ||
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ZeroChrome
Canada1001 Posts
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