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Muirhead
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States556 Posts
June 21 2010 01:48 GMT
#41
If he's playing his strategies perfectly unpredictably at the right ratios he'll have the same chance of winning no matter which he actually uses on any given game
starleague.mit.edu
Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
June 21 2010 02:19 GMT
#42
On June 21 2010 10:48 Muirhead wrote:
If he's playing his strategies perfectly unpredictably at the right ratios he'll have the same chance of winning no matter which he actually uses on any given game


This only applies if his opponents are playing perfectly as well.
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-21 03:07:07
June 21 2010 03:06 GMT
#43
edit:nvm
Muirhead
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States556 Posts
June 21 2010 03:25 GMT
#44
On June 21 2010 11:19 Tianx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2010 10:48 Muirhead wrote:
If he's playing his strategies perfectly unpredictably at the right ratios he'll have the same chance of winning no matter which he actually uses on any given game


This only applies if his opponents are playing perfectly as well.


Nah it only assumes he perfectly understands his opponents' imperfections
starleague.mit.edu
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 21 2010 03:38 GMT
#45
excellent article heyoka
Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
June 21 2010 03:41 GMT
#46
On June 21 2010 12:25 Muirhead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2010 11:19 Tianx wrote:
On June 21 2010 10:48 Muirhead wrote:
If he's playing his strategies perfectly unpredictably at the right ratios he'll have the same chance of winning no matter which he actually uses on any given game


This only applies if his opponents are playing perfectly as well.


Nah it only assumes he perfectly understands his opponents' imperfections

If you're exploiting your opponents' mistakes, your play is by definition no longer unpredictable. An optimal balancing of strategies does lead to equal winning percentages for each strategy, but optimal means that you've maximized your winning percentage against perfect play. If your opponents make mistakes, then tweaking the frequency of your strategies will increase your winning percentage.
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
VeRy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States17 Posts
June 21 2010 04:07 GMT
#47
This was interesting. Maybe I should practice this build-order.

The graphs were nice but descriptive labels would have been helpful. It's still an informative post. Thanks!
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InTheFade
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1721 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-21 07:55:57
June 21 2010 07:55 GMT
#48
On June 20 2010 17:35 heyoka wrote:
Its awesome that the first super hyped TvZ finals ended in just a few minutes with 3 straight bunker rushes, and what will be remembered as one of the last super hyped starleague finishes ended with 3 fast command centers. That statement alone sums up a nearly a decade of serious Brood War strategy development.


Some nitpicking: the triple-bunker rush you're referring to wasn't in the finals, but the semi-finals of the '04 EVER.
... Knowmsayin'?
Muirhead
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States556 Posts
June 21 2010 13:12 GMT
#49
On June 21 2010 12:41 Tianx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2010 12:25 Muirhead wrote:
On June 21 2010 11:19 Tianx wrote:
On June 21 2010 10:48 Muirhead wrote:
If he's playing his strategies perfectly unpredictably at the right ratios he'll have the same chance of winning no matter which he actually uses on any given game


This only applies if his opponents are playing perfectly as well.


Nah it only assumes he perfectly understands his opponents' imperfections

If you're exploiting your opponents' mistakes, your play is by definition no longer unpredictable. An optimal balancing of strategies does lead to equal winning percentages for each strategy, but optimal means that you've maximized your winning percentage against perfect play. If your opponents make mistakes, then tweaking the frequency of your strategies will increase your winning percentage.


Nah you can optimize the frequency of your strategies against known imperfect play too, also leading to equal winning percentages for each strategy.
starleague.mit.edu
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
June 21 2010 13:26 GMT
#50
On June 21 2010 22:12 Muirhead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2010 12:41 Tianx wrote:
On June 21 2010 12:25 Muirhead wrote:
On June 21 2010 11:19 Tianx wrote:
On June 21 2010 10:48 Muirhead wrote:
If he's playing his strategies perfectly unpredictably at the right ratios he'll have the same chance of winning no matter which he actually uses on any given game


This only applies if his opponents are playing perfectly as well.


Nah it only assumes he perfectly understands his opponents' imperfections

If you're exploiting your opponents' mistakes, your play is by definition no longer unpredictable. An optimal balancing of strategies does lead to equal winning percentages for each strategy, but optimal means that you've maximized your winning percentage against perfect play. If your opponents make mistakes, then tweaking the frequency of your strategies will increase your winning percentage.


Nah you can optimize the frequency of your strategies against known imperfect play too, also leading to equal winning percentages for each strategy.



not necessarily. it depends on how exactly your opponent is playing imperfectly. if he is particularly weak against early aggression, you should increase the amount of early pressure builds to obtain the maximum win rate against this particular opponent.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
June 21 2010 13:35 GMT
#51
Pacman is throwing up
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Muirhead
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States556 Posts
June 21 2010 15:16 GMT
#52
On June 21 2010 22:26 Black Gun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2010 22:12 Muirhead wrote:
On June 21 2010 12:41 Tianx wrote:
On June 21 2010 12:25 Muirhead wrote:
On June 21 2010 11:19 Tianx wrote:
On June 21 2010 10:48 Muirhead wrote:
If he's playing his strategies perfectly unpredictably at the right ratios he'll have the same chance of winning no matter which he actually uses on any given game


This only applies if his opponents are playing perfectly as well.


Nah it only assumes he perfectly understands his opponents' imperfections

If you're exploiting your opponents' mistakes, your play is by definition no longer unpredictable. An optimal balancing of strategies does lead to equal winning percentages for each strategy, but optimal means that you've maximized your winning percentage against perfect play. If your opponents make mistakes, then tweaking the frequency of your strategies will increase your winning percentage.


Nah you can optimize the frequency of your strategies against known imperfect play too, also leading to equal winning percentages for each strategy.



not necessarily. it depends on how exactly your opponent is playing imperfectly. if he is particularly weak against early aggression, you should increase the amount of early pressure builds to obtain the maximum win rate against this particular opponent.



Yeah of course... the ratios with which you use each strategy should vary by opponent. A statistically interesting study would be to take two players and have them play 100 games in a very short time frame. You should find the winning rate to be nearly identical no matter what strategies either uses in any given game. I have no doubt that Flash and his coaches are playing near perfect random-based strategies. Human intuition about such things has been proven to be surprisingly good.
starleague.mit.edu
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-21 17:17:16
June 21 2010 17:16 GMT
#53
good gawd... 159 replays. t-up for effort. (your hard work, not that lousy zerg)

that being said, he sure doesnt 14cc as much as i thought he does.
...from the land of imba
ZomgTossRush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1041 Posts
June 22 2010 07:59 GMT
#54
thanks for taking the time to inform us of these interesting stats. Im sure one of his teams coaches has all these stats and more too.
Coaching for 1v1 and Team games at Gosucoaching.com
malathion
Profile Joined March 2009
United States362 Posts
June 27 2010 19:41 GMT
#55
On June 20 2010 22:12 Piste wrote:
So the last ten games with 14cc is 9-1
It's a good build when used right

This is an important point. Weren't his 14cc losses to GGPlay awhile ago?
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