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TossFloss
Canada606 Posts
However, Blizzard would have limited the usage period of a game to only one year (note: I have no idea what the heck this means), which would make it difficult to run a stable E-sports league. Probably means Kespa would only have rights for a period of one year. | ||
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
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StifSokSamurai
United States120 Posts
On May 04 2010 07:50 Slow Motion wrote: You know what Kespa is probably most scared of? The auditing of their books. I'd love for Blizzard to audit their asses and see what shit turns up, corrupt bastards that they are. I think so too. The fact that they cited this as a grievance makes me extremely suspicious. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
On May 04 2010 07:55 mOnion wrote: ? yeh so disappointing, a company wanting credit for someone else using their product. blizzard is fully within their rights to demand royalties, idunno bout the other things... I agree, but the amount of control they want is just dumb and won't really help the e-sport scene at all, only slow it down. Get paid for your product and be happy Blizzard.. | ||
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Tanatos
United States381 Posts
On May 04 2010 07:56 TossFloss wrote: Probably means Kespa would only have rights for a period of one year. It means Kespa have to negotiate with Blizzard every year for rights, which means fee for right is going to increase by the time. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On May 04 2010 07:44 Krolinkos wrote: Woah. Except for the requesting of royalties on broadcast, those are some seriously unreasonable demands. Do we have any other confirmation that this was Blizzard's negotiating position? no, they're not, c'mon man.. do you ever read licensing agreements? they all seem ridiculously unreasonable if you want them to. on the other hand, if you think about all the possible things that could go horribly wrong if they didn't tie it up in an agreement beforehand, it starts looking a lot less bad. edit: only thing that is ehh.. is the one year re-negotiation thing. that's tough to accept from kespa's point of view. if blizzard holds half the cards now, they'd hold all of them a year later after all the pro teams had sc2 players as well. | ||
Waxangel
United States33703 Posts
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WaZuP
Germany487 Posts
in my opinion kespa just made stupid rules nothin more. the players and fans brought e sports to the point where it is now. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On May 04 2010 07:58 StifSokSamurai wrote: I think so too. The fact that they cited this as a grievance makes me extremely suspicious. Do you think that companies don't have secrets? Damn right they do. That isn't always a bad thing. | ||
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Radiomouse
Netherlands209 Posts
In my opinion it might not be that bad, with the way they're modelling the ladder and such, they might actually get involved in the esports business. Part of me thinks this is just blizzards way of getting revenge over that GOM TV thing. And i say, let them, as long as they'll leave breathing room for an actual esports organisation to eventually take the reigns(one that isn't as ridiculous as KeSPA). edit: then again, the way bnet2.0 is functioning right now would make me fear for esports. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On May 04 2010 07:47 Senx wrote: I agree, royalties is FINE, but let them create the surrounding scene on their own, don't control their every action like Blizzard seems to be wanting to do. I don't think they want to control every action but they do want to have the final say on things. If KeSPA wants to have minors working 70+ hours a week in order for e-Sports to succeed then Blizzard wants to be able to say "No, you're not going to use my game for an industry like that." | ||
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Motion
Germany183 Posts
Now blizzard fights for sc2 in sk because obviously kespa is again denying something without any right! | ||
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StifSokSamurai
United States120 Posts
On May 04 2010 08:01 Lightwip wrote: Do you think that companies don't have secrets? Damn right they do. That isn't always a bad thing. AIG, Enron, ect my faith is waning and I think for a pretty good reason. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On May 04 2010 08:01 Liquid`NonY wrote: I don't think they want to control every action but they do want to have the final say on things. If KeSPA wants to have minors working 70+ hours a week in order for e-Sports to succeed then Blizzard wants to be able to say "No, you're not going to use my game for an industry like that." I highly doubt this is a moral thing. Money is not moral, or else slavery would never have been popular. | ||
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hoborg
United States430 Posts
I don't think Blizzard is doing this so much because they want a piece of kespa's pie, but moreso because they want to assert control of their product from the start to set a precedent for having a share of all content created for/with SC2 worldwide. They didn't anticipate SC:BW to spark an entire esports industry, they probably didn't anticipate the success of mods like DOTA... but now they are expecting all those things and want to both facilitate them and make as much money off of them as they can. | ||
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Tanatos
United States381 Posts
On May 04 2010 07:50 Slow Motion wrote: You know what Kespa is probably most scared of? The auditing of their books. I'd love for Blizzard to audit their asses and see what shit turns up, corrupt bastards that they are. Well, KesPA is corrupted bastard, that is so true. But many Koreans do not like the part that being audited by someone else, and blame Blizzard about it. It is their costom or culture. I am not saying Koreans love KesPA (in fact they hate them), but they are saying Blizz went too far. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
For this to work of course, Blizzard shouldn't be the ones who provide the servers for their product, just like Nike doesn't provide the soccer field and thus aren't in control of what's happening on that field. You may argue, that there's an obvious difference between a football and a Starcraft. But I believe that's only because Blizzard, unfortunally, are allowed total control of the possessions you have bought from them. This is obviously because Blizzard, like any other company, much more interested in your money than ESPORTS in general. Not to say they don't care about ESPORTS at all though. | ||
KwarK
United States44329 Posts
On May 04 2010 08:00 Waxangel wrote: Unless you're an international copyright lawyer, I don't think any of us really knows what's actually within Blizzard's rights or not ^_^ More often than not in these cases its more about whats in their power. Blizzard would previously have had to go through the SK legal system to claim their rights on bw which would have failed because of the sway of the companies behind Kespa. Whereas with sc2 there is no LAN and private servers etc are against the EULA. It doesn't matter whether they can make a legal case for it, if Blizzard doesn't want someone using sc2 they can shut them down because the games will be played on their server. The audit demand seemed extreme, I kinda got the impression Blizzard were demanding everything to make a point. Still, they hold every card here. No amount of government influence will help Kespa if they have to openly hack the game on live television just to play a game of sc2. | ||
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rredtooth
5464 Posts
On May 04 2010 07:56 Lightwip wrote: they almost killed proleague. they did kill one of the 3 individual leagues. they almost forced the superstar player of the time (the Dong) to retire.Of course they have plenty of flaws, but the one thing they did right is actually keep E-sports running. did they really "keep E-sports" running? i think ESPORTS was fine before i heard of kespa. lol does forcing individuals to type exactly "gg" keep ESPORTS running? gespa. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On May 04 2010 08:01 Liquid`NonY wrote: I don't think they want to control every action but they do want to have the final say on things. If KeSPA wants to have minors working 70+ hours a week in order for e-Sports to succeed then Blizzard wants to be able to say "No, you're not going to use my game for an industry like that." But people want to see Flash vs Jaedong caliber matchs. We will need to sacrifice the lives of many Korean nerds to achieve true ESPORTS § | ||
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