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[Update] KeSPA Speaks Out On Intellectual Property Rights…

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lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
May 03 2010 22:46 GMT
#21
this is just another shit storm that competitive players and fans have to sit through, I wonder what blizzard will do next. Thanks for translating
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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
May 03 2010 22:46 GMT
#22
On May 04 2010 07:43 Senx wrote:
Summary: Blizzard wants to get payed for having their product being used by an external company which on its own makes me money from using Blizzards product.

Kespa says "no, We do not want to pay you money or let you control the way we use your game."

Blizzard says "yes you will, otherwise you can consider the negotiations over and you will not be allowed to use starcraft to make money or create a e-sport scene around it."

I really don't see anything good coming out of this..

According to Kespa's statement It's more like

Kespay says "no, we don't wanna hand you over the esports industry on a silver platter"
Blizzard says "fine you bitches can walk home"
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Ian Ian Ian
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
915 Posts
May 03 2010 22:47 GMT
#23
I think it seems reasonable that Kespa pay blizzard. It kind of seems like they are just trying to benefit from blizzard's hard work for free. Which is ridiculous..

And from a legal standpoint, I don't see how kespa can really do anything.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
May 03 2010 22:47 GMT
#24
I agree, royalties is FINE, but let them create the surrounding scene on their own, don't control their every action like Blizzard seems to be wanting to do.
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kmdarkmaster
Profile Joined January 2010
France188 Posts
May 03 2010 22:48 GMT
#25
It's very simple : Blizz was very greedy and Kes was very cocky. The solution for this problem is also very simple : Blizz gets a fair amount of money but no control at all and Kes gets total control of the proscene in Korea. After all Blizz is a company its job is to make money and Kes is a government-backed association so it is supposed to control and organize things.
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-03 22:49:44
May 03 2010 22:48 GMT
#26
On May 04 2010 07:46 redtooth wrote:
i'm actually surprised at the number of people taking kespa's side. just try to remember a time you've heard kespa's name associated with a positive act? they are just a bunch of greedy bureaucratic idiots who are trying their best to stay alive with SC2 looming around the corner.

They may be, but they have now come to represent the entire esports industry. Whether they were idiots in the past or not, there is no chance that the esports scene will amputate kespa and run on its own, so hate it or love it, esports and kespa go hand in hand. Now if what kespa's statement outlines is true, blizzard is asking kespa to hand over the esports industry, and if you ask me that is absurd

On May 04 2010 07:48 kmdarkmaster wrote:
It's very simple : Blizz was very greedy and Kes was very cocky. The solution for this problem is also very simple : Blizz gets a fair amount of money but no control at all and Kes gets total control of the proscene in Korea. After all Blizz is a company its job is to make money and Kes is a government-backed association so it is supposed to control and organize things.

Kespa stated that they would pay royalties. The part that kespa refuted was handing over ownership rights of teams, players, broadcasting systems and everything involved in the esports scene
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5459 Posts
May 03 2010 22:49 GMT
#27
On May 04 2010 07:47 Senx wrote:
I agree, royalties is FINE, but let them create the surrounding scene on their own, don't control their every action like Blizzard seems to be wanting to do.
blizzard tried to get involved through gom tourney. kespa flexed its political muscles to shut it down. there really was no other reason to shut the tourney down. as a matter of fact, it was probably the best way for foreign awareness of ESPORTS. it was simply a terrible business move. after that, i'm sure blizzard doesn't want kespa to control anything.
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Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
May 03 2010 22:50 GMT
#28
You know what Kespa is probably most scared of? The auditing of their books. I'd love for Blizzard to audit their asses and see what shit turns up, corrupt bastards that they are.
yAak
Profile Joined April 2010
United States10 Posts
May 03 2010 22:50 GMT
#29
On May 04 2010 07:30 Waxangel wrote:
.... However, Blizzard would have limited the usage period of a game to only one year (note: I have no idea what the heck this means)....


My wild guess is that this is maybe referring to limiting how long SC2: Wings of Liberty is played in E-Sports. Blizzard wants to release the Zerg expansion in 12-18 months after SC2:WoL... and maintaining an E-sports league still running WoL after that release definitely isn't in their interest.

That's my guess anyway. The 12-18 month release window for Heart of the Swarm is the only "fact" in my post, taken from recent dev interviews.
DragonDefonce
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States790 Posts
May 03 2010 22:50 GMT
#30
Blizz is really shooting themselves in the foot right now. They want to take over the role of kespa as the central governing body in e sports, and popularize it elsewhere in the globe also. While I do believe, blizz would do a very good job of this, they won't be as dedicated or as successful as groups that emerge from the progaming community itself such as kespa. Between this and removal of lan support, while they will probably make more money off of sc2, they will hurt and hinder the development of esports world wide, which is very short sighted and will hurt them more in the long run.
HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
May 03 2010 22:51 GMT
#31
I really don't think that blizzard controlling every single aspect of the way its game is used is fair... Royalties are fine, but even sponsorships, tournaments, and stuff? That might be going a little overboard.
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firalol
Profile Joined March 2010
United States51 Posts
May 03 2010 22:51 GMT
#32
Haha, they're playing up to there people for sympathy. We most likely won't get a true story from either side. However it's funny they completely blame the problem on Blizzard.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
May 03 2010 22:52 GMT
#33
On May 04 2010 07:38 Waxangel wrote:
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On May 04 2010 07:36 Adron wrote:
hmm, looks like blizzard woke up and eecided it wanted a piece of the pie Kespa baked.
Or am i way off here?


while there could be a long debate over how representative KeSPA is of everyone who makes e-sports in korea possible, yes, it's about Blizzard wanting ownership over secondary content created by other people using their products.

KeSPA pretty much represents all the corporate interests that make ESPORTS in South Korea possible. They don't represent the players, though.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
gbglass
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden29 Posts
May 03 2010 22:54 GMT
#34
If this is true I'm disappointed in blizzard, it will hurt the development of e-sports.
God hates Sweden
Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
May 03 2010 22:55 GMT
#35
In addition, Blizzard requests that all aspects of league management would have be authorized by them beforehand, including the acquiring of sponsorships, marketing planning and broadcast planning.

For those who just skimmed the article, this is the problem. As others mentioned, Blizzard basically wants to take over kespa if this is right. Also leaves very little face for kespa afterward since they basically would be taking it in the rear from blizzard at will if they agree, hence why blizzard's demands will never be accepted. And yeah from the whole gom-debacle, we've seen that kespa can be pretty ruthless in getting their way so we'll see.
When SC2 came for BW, I cried. Now LoL/Dota2 comes for SC2, and I laugh. \o/
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-03 22:56:31
May 03 2010 22:55 GMT
#36
On May 04 2010 07:54 gbglass wrote:
If this is true I'm disappointed in blizzard, it will hurt the development of e-sports.


? yeh so disappointing, a company wanting credit for someone else using their product.

blizzard is fully within their rights to demand royalties, idunno bout the other things...
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
May 03 2010 22:56 GMT
#37
On May 04 2010 07:46 redtooth wrote:
i'm actually surprised at the number of people taking kespa's side. just try to remember a time you've heard kespa's name associated with a positive act? they are just a bunch of greedy bureaucratic idiots who are trying their best to stay alive with SC2 looming around the corner.
Of course they have plenty of flaws, but the one thing they did right is actually keep E-sports running.
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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
May 03 2010 22:56 GMT
#38
On May 04 2010 07:52 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2010 07:38 Waxangel wrote:
On May 04 2010 07:36 Adron wrote:
hmm, looks like blizzard woke up and eecided it wanted a piece of the pie Kespa baked.
Or am i way off here?


while there could be a long debate over how representative KeSPA is of everyone who makes e-sports in korea possible, yes, it's about Blizzard wanting ownership over secondary content created by other people using their products.

KeSPA pretty much represents all the corporate interests that make ESPORTS in South Korea possible. They don't represent the players, though.

they do, all eleven teams have representatives partaking in kespa, and if one team were to act out against kespa, they'd probably get all their players DQ'd or something. That is unless 4 or 5 teams or more decide to act out together, but don't see that happening now with kespa already so deeply involved in the inner workings of esports
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Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
May 03 2010 22:56 GMT
#39
On May 04 2010 07:51 haruharu wrote:
I really don't think that blizzard controlling every single aspect of the way its game is used is fair... Royalties are fine, but even sponsorships, tournaments, and stuff? That might be going a little overboard.


Why is it going overboard for Blizzard have to have a say in what brands, logos and slogans their product is associated with? Supposing hypothetically that Kespa announced their next sponsor was the KKK, and the next tournament was going to be the White Power Starcraft cup.

I don't think it's unreasonable at all that sponsors and tournaments have to be approved by Blizzard first.

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Tanatos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States381 Posts
May 03 2010 22:56 GMT
#40
I just read comment of Koreans to the article, and many of them don't have good feeling toward KesPA, and sided with Blizzard. They already experienced corruption and unsucceful work done by KesPA and believe Blizzard can do it better without KesPA.

BTW, some people do not agree that Blizzard's request to KesPA is not fair, especially the part talking about financial audit authority. They believe it is beyond Blizzard's authority and see it as way to kill KesPA. (which many Korean is looking forward)
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