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I think the issue will be settled as SC2 goes gold...right now nobody is in an advantageous position. [Update] KeSPA Speaks Out On Intellectual Property Rights…
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Smurfa
Bulgaria11 Posts
I think the issue will be settled as SC2 goes gold...right now nobody is in an advantageous position. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
On May 04 2010 17:23 lostshard wrote: Yes but do you agree to an eula when you buy a football? Also when you buy said football can you use the nike images in your advertisements? My post was based on what I wish would happen. The answer to both of your questions is obviously No - as of now. My wish thinking is basically that eulas should be illigal and the advertisement/copyright thing is also complete bullcrap. | ||
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bias-
United States410 Posts
It just makes no sense. It would kill the industry. It would kill my incentive to take the game to the next level, or to be a fan, or to be a spectator). I'm very disappointed. | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
Sorry blizzard, but I'll have to side with kespa here. Stop trying to kill the e-sport scene! And a lot of people don't seem to know that progaming bw is in korea, not america. Its not really under us jurisdiction. International copyright is a tricky business. | ||
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Oddysay
Canada597 Posts
you guy trust blizzard since they make good game lol ?? | ||
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Seijuro
52 Posts
On May 04 2010 13:01 Scarecrow wrote: I'm boycotting all future blizzard products including SC2 if this happens. aha #care and then..thats ur own problem then xD hf with bw when sc2 comes out : D | ||
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Seijuro
52 Posts
On May 04 2010 13:30 jpak wrote: Worst case scenario: 1. Blizzard pulls all the plugs from Kespa 2. Blizzard releases SC2 with the B.net 2.0 and no LAN. 3. SC2 fails to gain enough base support to grow to be successful. 4. SC2 shrivels up and dies after a couple years. 5. SC sites, such as TL.net, begin shutting down. 6. SC and SC2 become part of the history of the great E-sports experiment. not gonna happen -_- seriously whats with these dumb posts? | ||
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ghostnuke1234
164 Posts
On May 04 2010 07:38 Ian Ian Ian wrote: Can someone like summarize this? I don't really get whats going on Translation of KESPA stance: Blizzard wanted a cut of our profits in SC1, but we were able to tell them to f*ck off in the past. Now we are f*cked because SC2 is coming out, the E-Sports scene may shift to SC2, and SC2 requires battle.net connection. In other words, SC2's release can render us obsolete. Please continue the negotiations Blizzard and Mike Morhaime, we will lick your balls now. ^^^ That's pretty much it. If you didn't read between the lines, the ending of the statement to continue negotiations clearly shows who is in the driver's seat now and it ain't KESPA. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On May 04 2010 19:06 ghostnuke1234 wrote: Translation of KESPA stance: Blizzard wanted a cut of our profits in SC1, but we were able to tell them to f*ck off in the past. Now we are f*cked because SC2 is coming out, the E-Sports scene may shift to SC2, and SC2 requires battle.net connection. In other words, SC2's release can render us obsolete. Please continue the negotiations Blizzard and Mike Morhaime, we will lick your balls now. ^^^ That's pretty much it. If you didn't read between the lines, the ending of the statement to continue negotiations clearly shows who is in the driver's seat now and it ain't KESPA. Good summary | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On May 04 2010 14:01 mrdx wrote: Not sure what your point is. This is 2010, not 1850. As a profit business Blizzard can't just stand there getting nothing from KeSPA while their games are showed on 2 TV channels 24/7. There's so many bad posts in this thread but this is a particularly funny one. I'm sure its so bad for Blizzard to have their game advertised for free on 2 channels 24/7 and all the publicity that goes with it. Also some people don't seem to realize KeSPA did pay for broadcast rights in BW in the first place with no problems, now its actually successful suddenly Blizzard has a ton of other demands without having helped or take any risk in the venture in the first place. | ||
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
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Yggdrasil Leaf
221 Posts
On May 04 2010 09:49 Day[9] wrote: rot in hell KeSPA. Seriously, I hope KeSPA tanks with the release of SC2. I absolutely despise KeSPA. wtf? emotions before good sense? | ||
snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On May 04 2010 16:18 hacpee wrote: Haha, you seriously think Blizzard will do well? Look at WoW arena as an example. They pushed it as much as they pushed it. WoW has 11 million subscribers. It still failed. Viewers of WoW arena are peanuts compared to what BW does. Now, Arena is dying and blizzard's "muscle" is no where to be found in propping it up. Fact is that blizzard has no vested interest in making esports more than just a temporary marketing tool for their games. Thats all they see it as. Once the benefits are gone or reduced to a minimum, they will leave and move on to their next game for sure. In the end, and this is for Korea only, Kespa has a track record. It is able to deliver. Blizzard has no record to speak of. Exactly. A Blizzard-controlled SC2 proscene dies the day WC4 or whatever comes out. | ||
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ghostnuke1234
164 Posts
On May 04 2010 16:18 Boonbag wrote: I'm astound at the overall hate and disrespect that lies beneath anti kespa comments towards Korea and Korean esports. For people again thinking blizzard will make esports happen in several countries, just wake up. If anything, if you're a true SC fan, and a pro gaming fan, you should bash blizzard down to the ground instead. Agree with Boonbag. Blizzard has no track record of making E-Sports succeed - they are a game developer, not a major E-Sports company. Blizzard also does not have the history, experience, nor even media/publicity clout that KESPA has in Korea. I don't know the details, but based on what I've read, I disagree strongly with Blizzard's stance. Korea is peanuts, compared a success of SC2 pro league in the US, or China. Since Korea IS the SC pro gaming base, I don't see why Blizzard would f*ck with your base because the window for a successful SC2 pro league to be established is small - if it doesn't happen in 1 year of SC2's release, it may not happen at all. The only reason I can think of that Blizzard is taking a hard stance against KESPA and possibly jeapordize the success of a SC2 pro league is if they want to set a precdent for China. IMO, a possible pro league in China is very possible with SC2's release, and if you let KESPA walk over your copyrights, you are allowing a future version of KESPA in China to walk over your copyrights as well. | ||
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nimoraca
Serbia84 Posts
.To organize a professional league(s) you need stable terms and conditions, and Blizz is giving rights on a year basis. Nothing is stopping Blizz for asking ten times as much next year if SC2 becomes pro sport. There is not a single serious company/organization in the world that would accept all the risks, invest its own money, to create a professional scene under these terms. Risks highly outweigh the benefits. Blizz has sold half of the SCBW copies of all sold copies in Korea during the last ten years or so. It has made at least $150 mil of it. If that is not enough, than fuck Blizzard and SC2. Real fans still have SCBW and best possible quality of games ever played on the planet. | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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MaYuu
Sweden516 Posts
On May 04 2010 19:23 nimoraca wrote: Obviously problem is not the licensing fees, as KeSPA already paid for SCBW. The problem is completely unrealistic terms under which Blizz expects somebody to organize the leagues. Or are these terms just for KeSPA? Is WCG going to have to accept the same bullshit terms KeSPA has. If that turns out to be the case I'm not sure WCG will ever see SC2 .To organize a professional league(s) you need stable terms and conditions, and Blizz is giving rights on a year basis. Nothing is stopping Blizz for asking ten times as much next year if SC2 becomes pro sport. There is not a single serious company/organization in the world that would accept all the risks, invest its own money, to create a professional scene under these terms. Risks highly outweigh the benefits. Blizz has sold half of the SCBW copies of all sold copies in Korea during the last ten years or so. It has made at least $150 mil of it. If that is not enough, than fuck Blizzard and SC2. Real fans still have SCBW and best possible quality of games ever played on the planet. Agree. | ||
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Caos2
United States1728 Posts
And if Blizzard actually wanted that much control, they are money-hungry capitalists. If they sell as much SC2 in Korea as BW, it's because of the Esports, and Esports is where it is because (or some would prefer, despite) of KeSPA. EDIT: Some are wondering how will SC2 affect Korea. Well, Blizzard doesn't release a special LAN version for the esports scene, watch as SC2 never gets popular and we'll see 10 more years of BW, if the public sticks around for so long. | ||
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oo_xerox
United States852 Posts
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On May 04 2010 19:28 nttea wrote: disregarding what the law says about this and that since i don't know shit about that. Blizzard should stick to making good games and getting people to buy them, and just stay out of everything else. Word. | ||
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