EPTAs for Blizzard's demands, they are quite substantial, even for US (not sure about S.K law). What puzzles me is the proposed 1 year deal only, perhaps they want to fiddle with add-ons and expansions somehow, in a major way.
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Go0g3n
Russian Federation410 Posts
As for Blizzard's demands, they are quite substantial, even for US (not sure about S.K law). What puzzles me is the proposed 1 year deal only, perhaps they want to fiddle with add-ons and expansions somehow, in a major way. | ||
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RAUS
210 Posts
KeSPA wants blizzard not to do all those things above. They think, "its our sandbox." | ||
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HopLight
Sweden999 Posts
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
Also, Kespa didn't just "fill the void." They were instrumental in molding Esports as a major television program that generates revenue. Without them, SC would've been just that, a phenomenon, destined to die after 2 years at best. Give Kespa credit where it's due (some might think what credit, but they don't have the whole picture). Without comparable system and support for SC2, I fear that SC2 will just be.. a fad. It'll just be another game. | ||
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lostshard
United States95 Posts
On May 04 2010 08:05 XsebT wrote: I wish ESPORTS would be more like any other sport... for example, when you buy a Nike football, racket or whatever, it isn't up to Nike to decide what you do with their product - You actually own that specific product. For this to work of course, Blizzard shouldn't be the ones who provide the servers for their product, just like Nike doesn't provide the soccer field and thus aren't in control of what's happening on that field. You may argue, that there's an obvious difference between a football and a Starcraft. But I believe that's only because Blizzard, unfortunally, are allowed total control of the possessions you have bought from them. This is obviously because Blizzard, like any other company, much more interested in your money than ESPORTS in general. Not to say they don't care about ESPORTS at all though. Yes but do you agree to an eula when you buy a football? Also when you buy said football can you use the nike images in your advertisements? | ||
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Go0g3n
Russian Federation410 Posts
Starting with no Lan and no gateway support to 18+ ratings and annual expansions, fees and so on so forth. | ||
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
zul: lol. Why did KeSPA block the GOM TV Classics? Fans loved it! Any participating player would have been kicked out of his team which would have been his career-end. | ||
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Go0g3n
Russian Federation410 Posts
zul: lol. Why did KeSPA block the GOM TV Classics? Fans loved it! Any participating player would have been kicked out of his team which would have been his career-end. Because Blizzard took major sponsorship of it and was attempting to build a platform for SC2 broadcasts in Korea without KeSPA and MBC/OGN etc. | ||
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
On May 04 2010 12:32 mrdx wrote: Don't even start this discussion. BW's success was an accident or not didn't matter, Blizzard created it. Even when an idiot invented something great he still deserves everything from his invention. Except that not only is the success of BW not an accident, it's also not solely Blizzard's prize to hold. It was the fact that Korea loved the game so much, got sponsors interested, refined the balance of the game to what it is today using maps, etc etc... years of work to build up to what we have today. Besides, Blizzard is getting plenty out of the deal, and that's even beyond the ridiculous amount of free advertising they get from it. The idea behind eSports is supposed to be that games that get popular due to eSports end up selling more copies as a result, and improve the reputation of game designers' like Blizzard (allowing them to further profit off future sales). It's like half the people posting don't have any clue about the history behind this discussion... On May 04 2010 13:47 jpak wrote: Honestly, all this negativity towards Kespa here is beginning to make me sick. Yea, you're mad that they killed GOM. They had the power outage incident and the "ppp" incident. But let me remind you: THIS SPORT IS STILL RELATIVELY YOUNG!!! E-sports only began in Korea in 1998 - that's only 12 years people. Sports evolve and be refined over decades. In American Football, for example, the challenge system only came into being in 1999. The NFL just voted in March for new overtime rules. In fact, I was actually madder while watching "The Tuck Rule" game than the power outage crap. Are we not allowed to learn from mistakes people? And especially after the power outage incident, Kespa will be very keen not to make mistakes. I'm not going to comment on copyright issues, cause I know squat. I'm just suggesting that you get over any blind hate you have for Kespa for killing GOM before posting further. To be honest, some American sports are still just as bad. When games in the NBA and NFL can still be swung one way or the other by blatantly terrible (or malicious even) officiating, it's hard to take them seriously. I mean just objectively take a look at Vikings vs Saints from last year's playoffs, Kings vs Lakers in 2002 (game 6 specifically), things like that... it's not even reasonable. None of the gaffes so far we've seen in eSports compare except for (depending on the actual circumstances) the possible match rigging/betting scandal. On May 04 2010 17:00 nimoraca wrote: KeSPA just needs to wait. BW is not dead in SK and wont be in a long time, if ever. SC2 is the one having to prove something. This is so true. SC2 has to prove it can be mentioned in the same breath as BW in order to make any significant impact on the eSports scene there. Should SC2 take over just because Blizzard wants it to? On May 04 2010 17:05 drewbie.root wrote: No way man, SC2 already killed wc3 and bw's non-korean scene.. theres already money tournaments just in the beta. Anyone who does not think that SC 2 is gonna be huge is living under a rock ;( oh yeah...and sc2 is really fun too 8) and.. its kind of nice not needing 400 apm to be pro This is a force of will, and not some innate quality of the SC2 beta. WC3 has never had the scene it dreamed of having due to spectator and map stagnation, balance issues, and too many random features impacting true competition. As for BW, all of the foreign players are switching to SC2 and hoping to become top players in it, all because it offers some kind of potential future that playing BW lacks (due to the difficulty of becoming a progamer in Korea). | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
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Mylin
Sweden177 Posts
On May 04 2010 17:46 jpak wrote: Of course I could be wrong, because I don't know what exactly goes on in one of the progaming houses, but I would suspect that the health of players is a top priority. I really really doubt that! :| | ||
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mrdx
Vietnam1555 Posts
On May 04 2010 17:46 jpak wrote: As for GOM being cancelled, I wouldn't be surprised if the players themselves played a part in it. After all, that's another league to prepare for. Most progamers are already tied up with Proleague, OSL, and MSL. There just aren't enough hours in a day to fit in GOM. Of course I could be wrong, because I don't know what exactly goes on in one of the progaming houses, but I would suspect that the health of players is a top priority. You couldnt be more wrong. Hundreds of less talented pro gamers and B teamers have been practicing hard for years and never had a chance in Proleague/Starleague. GOM brought a lot of players like that to the spotlight (Idra!). Shutting down GOM was one of the most obvious evidence that KeSPA doesn't work for the progamers's best interests. | ||
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
On May 04 2010 17:46 jpak wrote: As for GOM being cancelled, I wouldn't be surprised if the players themselves played a part in it. After all, that's another league to prepare for. Most progamers are already tied up with Proleague, OSL, and MSL. There just aren't enough hours in a day to fit in GOM. Of course I could be wrong, because I don't know what exactly goes on in one of the progaming houses, but I would suspect that the health of players is a top priority. This was definitely something discussed on TL at the time, especially in light of the ridiculous schedule Jaedong was up against with MSL semis, OSL finals, and PL finals (in the same month's span of his exit from GOM3). He was the clear favorite in each, but was so obviously overworked that it created the whole fiasco that ensued. Oddly enough, KeSPA lost rep for that situation too (the FA rules are still nuts). On May 04 2010 17:55 mrdx wrote: You couldnt be more wrong. Hundreds of less talented pro gamers and B teamers have been practicing hard for years and never had a chance in Proleague/Starleague. GOM brought a lot of players like that to the spotlight (Idra!). Shutting down GOM was one of the most obvious evidence that KeSPA doesn't work for the progamers's best interests. You can't have it both ways. Either you create a tournament where everyone is invited and have open competition, or you create a 'minor league' tournament to benefit the b-team players. GOM was offering incentives large enough that even the A-team players would not turn down the opportunity. I understand though. Everyone is so partial to GOM because of the english language commentary (which was great for both the game and the community here at TL). | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On May 04 2010 17:34 zul wrote: KeSPA: we do it for the fans. zul: lol. Why did KeSPA block the GOM TV Classics? Fans loved it! Any participating player would have been kicked out of his team which would have been his career-end. actually koreans dont like GOMTV... gomtv sucks lol, the coverage was suck, the korean commentary was suck, everything sucks compared to MSL or OSL lol | ||
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YJ_
Canada36 Posts
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Squallcloud
France466 Posts
But on the other hand you can't sell some Disney shirts without Disney approval, can you? | ||
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MaYuu
Sweden516 Posts
DAMN YOU BLIZZARD! | ||
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randombum
United States2378 Posts
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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) with two giant balls of units shooting at each other. Just boring. In best case scenario, SC2 ends up like WC3, with some tournaments now and then, but nothing serious like progaming.
