EPT[Update] KeSPA Speaks Out On Intellectual Property Rights…
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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zigrek
Bulgaria45 Posts
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chung
Korea (South)43 Posts
StarCraft was an amazing game, and I've played since SC1 beta (an illegally obtained beta!). But nobody else really played until it started getting broadcasted on TV and installed in internet cafes! By 2000, 2001, virtually ALL of my friends played it. Blizzard made an excellent game. However, other companies have made excellent games in the past, too. What made StarCraft so different isn't just the game. StarCraft has a lot of flaws, I remember it got some bad reviews when it first came out. Its main competitor, Red Alert, was a hell of a game, too, and if it had multiplayer support, it might have taken off just like StarCraft. Anyway, I want to say that the Korean pro scene helped develop the game into one that far surpasses most other games. A lot of the credit belongs to KeSPA, assholes though they may be. Blizzard is a game developer. They develop games, that's their product. KeSPA also develops products: not a game, but a scene. I think that KeSPA have better claim on that intellectual property than Blizzard. Someone said it right on the first page of this thread: Blizzard woke up and decided to get a taste of the pie KeSPA baked. I don't like KeSPA either. They are corrupt and really obnoxious about their frequent power trips. But the problem is, unless they cooperate, it's going to greatly damage the pro gaming scene in Korea. Good thing I know English, I can just listen to US/EU broadcasts if it comes to that. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
Some food for thought. "ESPN is committed to serving our fans, and we recognize the growing popularity of pro video gaming," said John Kosner, senior vice president and general manager of digital media at ESPN in a press release issued yesterday. "Adding MLG content to our already comprehensive offering will help us continue to deliver the best news, information and entertainment to our growing gaming audience." "Pro video gaming offers sports fans everything they love about sports—great teams, break-out personalities and stars, and exciting competition," said Matthew Bromberg, President and CEO of Major League Gaming. "MLG's digital properties now reach over four million fans a month, and millions more follow the League on TV, mobile devices, and X-Box Live. We're excited to build upon that audience with ESPN." | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
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Tomnki
United States62 Posts
On May 04 2010 14:28 jpak wrote: What worries me most is the fate of these progamers we came to know and love. What will happen to Flash and Jaedong? Will they be jobless? Will they fade into obscurity forever? The ones who stand to lose the most is not Kespa or Blizzard, but the progamers whose livelihoods depend on this. If only for them, Blizzard, please at least renegotiate with Kespa. They're the ones who raised YOUR game to the heights it is today, and they're the reason why SC2 is so hyped as it is right now. Sorry but I don't believe your last line is true at all. I believe that it's being hyped because a lot of WoW players are excited for another Blizzard game. I'd bet that if you went on the SC2 beta General Forums that less than half of the people would even know who kespa is. | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On May 04 2010 14:37 Reborn8u wrote: esports is changing in the US, espn put this on there site. Some food for thought. "ESPN is committed to serving our fans, and we recognize the growing popularity of pro video gaming," said John Kosner, senior vice president and general manager of digital media at ESPN in a press release issued yesterday. "Adding MLG content to our already comprehensive offering will help us continue to deliver the best news, information and entertainment to our growing gaming audience." "Pro video gaming offers sports fans everything they love about sports—great teams, break-out personalities and stars, and exciting competition," said Matthew Bromberg, President and CEO of Major League Gaming. "MLG's digital properties now reach over four million fans a month, and millions more follow the League on TV, mobile devices, and X-Box Live. We're excited to build upon that audience with ESPN." Yea, and ESPN also broadcasts the July 4th Hotdog Eating contest. And i know that better than MLG. Yea, MLG is successful, but what I'm concerned about is will they be able to support SC2 long-term? To put it better, are they committed to promoting SC2 as a long-term mainstay in their program? I don't know, but I know Kespa will. That's why I'm iffy about MLG. The fact that their only PC game in the pro circuit, as far as I know, is WoW doesn't help either. | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
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Synwave
United States2803 Posts
This isn't politics, this isn't washington, this isn't hot dog contests and espn. People aren't mad at Kespa because they had a power outage. Kespa hasn't done jack for the e-sports community that others wouldn't (and did in fact try to) have done if they hadn't bullied them out of business using broken laws and mafia style contracts to keep things going how they saw fit. Their business model is collapsing and their top players are more and more being exposed as greedy corrupt match throwing slime balls. Yeah, awesome business model. I sure want these guys to be in charge over blizzard! That would be totally great! Oh wait, no it wouldn't. But please, carry on spamming post after post of ADD non-sense, its amusing at least. User was warned for this post | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9103 Posts
I can't say I completely or even partially understand all the different things going on in this Blizzard vs. KeSPA battle. However, I support Blizzard because they are the ones who make the game(s) I love. Also, KeSPA DQ's people for typing and accidentally pausing during games and that is fucking bullshit. If anything they should encourage smack talk, especially if they want to even pretend it is somewhat sport-like. Like really, why can't you make decision on a case by case basis. | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On May 04 2010 14:42 Tomnki wrote: Sorry but I don't believe your last line is true at all. I believe that it's being hyped because a lot of WoW players are excited for another Blizzard game. I'd bet that if you went on the SC2 beta General Forums that less than half of the people would even know who kespa is. My next and BIGGEST concern is: will SC2 be a long-term Esports game? The future looks pretty grim from what I see. This game cannot afford to be just one of those games that sell out millions for a few months just to fade into obscurity a couple years later. The WoW community has become more and more shit lately (trust me, I've been there), so I'm not going to trust what comes out of there, most likely. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
On May 04 2010 14:44 jpak wrote: Yea, and ESPN also broadcasts the July 4th Hotdog Eating contest. And i know that better than MLG. Yea, MLG is successful, but what I'm concerned about is will they be able to support SC2 long-term? To put it better, are they committed to promoting SC2 as a long-term mainstay in their program? I don't know, but I know Kespa will. That's why I'm iffy about MLG. The fact that their only PC game in the pro circuit, as far as I know, is WoW doesn't help either. Your absolutely right! My only comfort is that I'm confident they will support any game as long as it has fan support. In the past they supported Shadowrun and brought it back several times because there were a few diehard fans demanding it. But they were few in numbers and it did eventually die. This however won't be the case with Starcraft, it's endless legoins of fans will support it for god knows how long and I believe they will as long as that condition is met. | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
"Blizzard already has enough money, and it's never, NEVER a good idea to allow anyone invested in the game or a team to handle organizing or broadcasting a sport. If we allow Blizzard to organize they won't pick the most entertaining players, they'll pick the ones they can convince to push their product, and the broadcasts will be swamped with commercials for their games. You NEED a neutral third party to handle organizing and broadcasting the tournaments, and kespa fits. This is why the MLB or NFL don't have their own channels, we get coverage from a third party like ESPN instead who put entertainment (i.e. ratings) before commercialism. If it were still the 90s I would totally trust Blizz with doing whatever they want, they could do no wrong. But after Burning Crusade... I'm skeptical SC2 won't gut all my favorite characters for not appealing to every last one of the potential 10 gazillion "consumers" and screw over the balancing because the noobs didn't want to bother with the early game and just want to play fastest and send BCs and Carriers at each other. " | ||
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BabaBlackSheep
United States29 Posts
On May 04 2010 08:11 Count9 wrote: This topic is so confusing, I was happy before I read this, I just blamed everything on activision. hahaha! <3 Ever since Robert Kotick made his $100 million franchise exploit games comment I've completely hated Activision and the Activision half of Activision Blizzard. I understand for-profit, but ffs. | ||
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chirievalord
Costa Rica92 Posts
On May 04 2010 07:36 Adron wrote: hmm, looks like blizzard woke up and eecided it wanted a piece of the pie Kespa baked. Or am i way off here? I don't have anything else to add on that line. First thing that came to mind. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
I agree with royalties, but Blizzard is asking too much. Blizzard makes games. KeSPA is a sports/players league. Blizzard should set up its own league if it wants to control something to this extent. Blizzard should infact foster league creation around the world, considering how easy it is to get into SC2. Blizzard wanting all this control and payouts will only stifle people into rejecting Blizzard and eventually its games. | ||
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Baddieko
Singapore855 Posts
Look at how sc2 is structured, they obviously want to follow the korean model and broadcast it, we'll see how the 'esports' become famous. | ||
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iloahz
United States964 Posts
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
KeSPA is what is killing Starcraft 1 right now, they worry me more then the betting scandal. | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On May 04 2010 16:05 KinosJourney2 wrote: KeSPA did a good job getting eSports where it is today, but their decision making and shit is just awful. Choosing between Blizzard and KeSPA is like choosing between good and evil, im not sure Blizzard has what it takes to make Starcraft 2 into an eSport. Even after seeing them fail miserably with Warcraft 3 (They didn't actually FAIL but it could have been oh so much better) i still believe in them more then KeSPA. KeSPA is what is killing Starcraft 1 right now, they worry me more then the betting scandal. No, it's closer to deciding which is the lesser of the two evils. | ||
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