EPTMSL Final to be not-quite "live," and fanclub only - Page 14
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laguu
Finland278 Posts
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
You choose. | ||
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bongjwa
United States199 Posts
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
You guys are idiots, only thinking about the 'audience's aspect' in this situation. Might as well as end MSL after NATE, throw away all the money, and throw away Proleague as well since MBC wouldn't be able to support that either. | ||
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
On January 21 2010 10:02 supernovamaniac wrote: I'm just going to come out straight forward and say this. You guys are idiots, only thinking about the 'audience's aspect' in this situation. Might as well as end MSL after NATE, throw away all the money, and throw away Proleague as well since MBC wouldn't be able to support that either. Small venue due to little cash is forgiveable, but there's no amount of flashy graphics that can compensate for them separating the finalists from the existing crowd. It's completely fucking unnecessary. | ||
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Ideas
United States8150 Posts
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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Dental Floss
United States1015 Posts
I'm telling you... something weird is happening here. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
Ok then. Let's leave Jaedong/Flash's parents out of the stadium if they arrive late. Along with the fanclub members to both of the players if they arrive late. You think you guys have better luck because you guys actually support them throughout the whole year? Well, suck it up. It might be unnecessary to get rid of regular audience, yes. But completely fucking unnecessary? So in the end, after calculating all those people, there are few seats... lets say... 10~50 or so. And with those seats left, thousands of people will race to the auditorium to fight and take over the seats. Might as well as stand at the exits to watch the game, creating a fire hazard for over thousand people in the studio. | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
edit: Or should I say Starcraft. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
But charging for admission and charging for borrowing the auditorium are two different things. | ||
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HeartOfTofu
United States308 Posts
On January 21 2010 10:02 supernovamaniac wrote: I'm just going to come out straight forward and say this. You guys are idiots, only thinking about the 'audience's aspect' in this situation. Might as well as end MSL after NATE, throw away all the money, and throw away Proleague as well since MBC wouldn't be able to support that either. The MSL (and OSL) exist for the audience so it's not being an idiot to think about the "audience's aspect" of the situation. Frankly, if the MSL keeps going down this route and pissing off the fans, I can't think of too many people that would want to attach their name to it and associate themselves with the league, which would mean that the MSL might end one way or the other. If you're in the entertainment business, catering to the fans and keeping them engaged and satisfied is key. That's why so many people are saying that this is an incredibly short-sighted move on their part. Yes, in the short run it might guarantee another MSL after this, but will their financial picture be much bigger all of a sudden next MSL? Who's going to want to sponsor it? They had enough trouble finding a sponsor this time around even without making a train wreck out of possibly the greatest final we've seen in years. I'll be interested to see which company is going to want to sponsor a league that's been catching so much flak from the community... On January 21 2010 10:09 supernovamaniac wrote: So you're saying first come first serve? Ok then. Let's leave Jaedong/Flash's parents out of the stadium if they arrive late. Along with the fanclub members to both of the players if they arrive late. You think you guys have better luck because you guys actually support them throughout the whole year? Well, suck it up. It might be unnecessary to get rid of regular audience, yes. But completely fucking unnecessary? So in the end, after calculating all those people, there are few seats... lets say... 10~50 or so. And with those seats left, thousands of people will race to the auditorium to fight and take over the seats. Might as well as stand at the exits to watch the game, creating a fire hazard for over thousand people in the studio. Of course there should be reserved seats, but look at the numbers. 300 seats for Kespa and the remaining 700 strictly for fan club members? Even I didn't make the argument that 1000 people is a piss poor capacity (my high school auditorium held more people), reserving 100% of the seating and providing absolutely nothing to the public is absurd... | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if I only get to see Proleague through OGN in the near future. And yes. Catching fans is important. Yet saving their asses first comes first before the cable is plugged out. And with the words that I've been hearing about MBC... yea. They're desperate to save every single penny. They would do whatever it takes to start making profit, even by 'sucking up' to the government. Sure, both roads are risky. There's no doubt about it. Yet, this is rage against.. 1. Something that hasn't happened yet (Virtual Studio wise) 2. Something that you guys won't probably be involved in, unless you live in Korea or planning to visit Korea for this solemn reason. And the fact is, MBC probably doesn't care enough to fund MBCGame division of its company for the finals of MSL. They already have a problem financially themselves, and they won't risk spending another penny trying to keep their cable channel rather than their main broadcasting channel. Hell, MBC have great lineup, and sometimes people watch it over other 'government puppet' broadcasting stations (무한도전 for example). With the problems that they have right now, money goes to those programs, not (less important) MBCGame. | ||
NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
I can understand getting a smaller location if you're lacking in money, but restricting entrance to fanclub members only is completely un-necessary. It should be a fair 'first come, first served.' basis with a limited amount of seats for friends/family and whomever is dispensing the cheques. I also do not believe seats should be wasted on un-necessary dignitaries from the related companies who most likely do not want/care about being there. Also making it so you can only apply via the fan clubs screws any foreigners who aren't me out of going. I can't even get seats for Mr.Hoon and his GF now. I'll do the best I can to provide coverage of this, but it's not going to be a patch on my OSL coverage since they've chosen such a cheap method of sharing it with the fans. Separating the players in a 'virtual' studio is also a pile of bullshit. Seeing the players come out of the booth and hug their team mates/coaches or go running off to find their Mum like Flash did is part of what makes the finals atmosphere so vibrant and helps the fans connect with the personalities of the players. Honestly, as someone who has been to many finals and seen how passionate the fans can get. I'm utterly disgusted by some of the choices they're making here. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
Compare that to Coex Mall: People just walk by and then stop to see what's happening. There are literally... thousands, or maybe tens of thousands of people in that mall. | ||
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NeCroPoTeNce
United States513 Posts
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SandwichApoc
United States115 Posts
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
On January 21 2010 09:26 Tien wrote: As far as I can tell, MBC's actions are done for good intentions. 1) Having players play somewhere else for less pressure. MBC just wants Flash and Jaedong to play their best without having the immense pressure of a crowd. I may not agree with this, but I understand their intentions. 2) 1000 person studio. I don't know their financial situation and I'm 100% sure halls are NOT booked 1 week in advance. They are booked MONTHS in advance. If MBC isn't making money off seat sales, plus they had no clue until last week that Jaedong vs Flash would be playing.... How the heck can you blame them for what they did? It's a coin flip, one year you get Luxury, the next you get Kwanro, and now you get Jaedong. I mean, Kwanro could have luckboxed his way through Flash and we'd be having a Kwanro vs Jaedong finals.... What a flop. I wouldn't even watch it and I'm a Jaedong fanboy. I'd say a 10 person studio would be good for Jaedong vs Kwanro...... Hindsight is 20/20. You can't expect them to book massive 10 000+ halls for every single finals. 3) Flash incident. MBC merely trying to hype up Flash vs Jaedong. I may not agree but I understand their intentions. What are you serious. Of course a lot of things have "good intentions" but it doesn't mean that they are correct. I'm actually disagreeing with Wax on this one, so help me as I dodge lightning bolts, but MBC fully deserve every ounce of criticism that they get. There are so many things that MBCgame is doing wrong in this situation. But first of all, it must be said that a big part of it isn't MBC's fault. Their parent company is losing money these days. HOWEVER, MBCgame has been so desperate to raise ratings, particularly by gently guiding the biggest stars to get to the finals, that they have compromised the integrity of their own tournament. You know why the MSL used to rock? Because we knew that whoever won the MSL was the REAL strongest progamer. It's old Double-elimination format, and later straightforward tournament format (with rigorous survivor tournament qualification), ensured that the strongest progamer would usually win the entire thing. The MSL gave us the reigns of Nada, oov, and Savior. It was a great counterbalance to the more narrative-and-drama oriented OSL. You could always trust the OSL winner to be a dramatic story. Meanwhile, you could always trust the MSL winner to be top3 absolute most skillful players at the moment. This was brand consistency. Yet now what does MSL do? Team seed into Survivor? Re-shuffle the bracket at the round of 8? What is that? Either re-shuffle at the beginning of knockout rounds or don't at all. (and you in the back who is about to mention the NHL, stop right now. NHL is just as mismanaged). MSL is desperately trying to force a 'great finals matchup' as if that will miraculously bring in the ratings and cure all their ills. And don't get me started on how they are fucking over the fan experience. Dual groups spread over two game days? Multi-day Bo5s? No live audience? Why the hell are fans supposed to be grateful for these? If there is no space in the 1000 seat hall to build a live stage, then you make it a 500 seat hall with live stage. THE EXPERIENCE MUST BE LIVE. A live audience is an absolutely essential aspect of live sports. You cannot possibly consider yourself a serious tournament if you stage the finals with the world's best players in a booth somewhere with no crowd. What is this, ghemTV? That's like staging the Wimbledon finals in an empty tennis court and putting the crowd in another room. It does not take months to book a performance space. MBC could have done it at the quarters, or the semis. They just dropped the ball (or simply didn't have the money) The worst part is reserving 300 seat for team and family and Kespa. MBC, what are you doing. Flash and Jaedong together do not have 100 friends, family, and teammates who can come to the finals. Who are the 200 other seats going to? What kind of Kespa brownnosing is this? The whole thing just smells of cronyism and a severe misplacement of priority by MBC. I tried to assume MBC innosense through all of this. Maybe they don't have money. Maybe they really think that the current tournament format is truely for the best. Maybe they really have only the best intentions... but then I think about those 200 seats that MBC has taken away from the fans and I just can't possibly forgive them this time. | ||
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
On January 21 2010 10:30 supernovamaniac wrote: NeverGG: Do you have pictures of the Hero center? I remember everywhere else being deserted in that mall, which was already bad enough for MBCGame to begin with. Compare that to Coex Mall: People just walk by and then stop to see what's happening. There are literally... thousands, or maybe tens of thousands of people in that mall. I'm going to do a virtual tour of it during early February. I attempted to do one during the MSL selection night, but the backstage area was inaccessible at the time due to the staging so I'm re-recording it asap. Although COEX was a much smaller venue the problems it had with lack of space and layout/backstage areas being too small can't out-weight the fundamental problems with LOOX's studio (namely layout, foot traffic, overall location, fan facilities, cleanliness, lighting, sound stage. To name, but a few of the reasons why I loathe it so comprehensively.) | ||
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