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BraveNewWorld
Profile Joined December 2009
United States229 Posts
January 21 2010 04:17 GMT
#301
On January 21 2010 13:12 Archon_Wing wrote:
And this is why the MSL will always be second at best. Good luck finding a sponsor next time. They'll need it


next to only the tsl, ofc, amirite? am i rite guys?
"who is bisu anyway" - torm3ntin (Jan. 19th, 2009)
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
January 21 2010 04:18 GMT
#302
On January 21 2010 13:08 Newguy wrote:
Show nested quote +
Oh and by the way, let this be a wake-up call to all the ostriches with their heads in the sand.

Progaming isn't healthy, not even in Korea. They can call it e-sports all they want but it remains a niche hobby with a small following that loses money every year.



Hmmm, does it really lose money every year or are you just saying that?? Livestreams from teamliquid have more people on them I'm pretty sure, some 3700 people on roffles stream alone for osl finals, did that many people watch a finals on teamliquid in the past?? Also, progamers aren't all in bad health, look at Air Force Ace for example. They are a proteam with some pretty damn good players and every single member of the team is in good health.


I think he means that it's losing a following in korea. It's definitely growing in the foreign scene, now that we can get streams, etc. easier
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RLTY
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States965 Posts
January 21 2010 04:24 GMT
#303
Finally when I thought "NATE MSL" would be one to remember...

Guess we can always rely on the OSL.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 04:38:08
January 21 2010 04:37 GMT
#304
If MBC still considers itself to be a competent corporation and still wants to save its face here, it must release some sort of official statement from its CEO and offer a satisfactory explanation for this disaster ASAP.

Just letting the Netizens run wild with their imagination isn't helping MBC's popularity.

Good thing that SC2 is coming. Otherwise, I'd be predicting the fall of e-sport within this decade.
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
January 21 2010 04:49 GMT
#305
Make way for GhemTV again.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
January 21 2010 04:54 GMT
#306
Not having a live audience is just fucked up. The atmosphere won't feel exciting at all. I might as well just wait to watch the VODs on youtube.
Brood War loyalist
StarsPride
Profile Joined January 2010
United States364 Posts
January 21 2010 04:56 GMT
#307
they could make so much money from tickets if they changed venue.....
InfC.Pride
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-21 05:09:20
January 21 2010 05:01 GMT
#308
On January 21 2010 13:00 NeverGG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 12:54 moopie wrote:
The studio-D thing has been known for a while, so I'm not sure why so many people are freaking out about the lack of possible attendance (which again, at most would have been about a 1000, even if open to the public).

However, the virtual studio shit is pretty stupid. Not exactly sure what MBC is thinking on that, but someone, somewhere must have had his/her reasons.


Known for a while *if* you happen to read Korean and knew about the capacity for the auditorium itself - which not even myself (working on the front line of Korean eSports.) knew until it was translated properly. I think all things considered people have a right to 'freak out' over how much of a crappy deal this is for the fans, both Korean who will now not be able to attend and foreign who will miss out on the atmosphere of a finals with the players in the same room as the fans - which a lot of us appreciate.

Also 'which again, at most would have been about a 1000, even if open to the public' this is completely inaccurate. Especially for a finals with such high profile players. Even the shoddiest of finals (*coughKwanroCalmcough*) attracts more than 1000 people.



I meant that given the knowledge of the event location (and size), the attendence at most would be around a thousand people (even if open to the public, as opposed to only fanclubs/family/teams/etc), thus why it was already not going to be an 'epic' scene (like WCG/OSL). I wasn't stating that given unlimited seating/space, there would be at most a 1000 people in attendance.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
January 21 2010 05:02 GMT
#309
The fact that they chose a smaller stadium is what seems the worst to me. Limiting the number of people who want to see the games live is just horrible.
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
January 21 2010 05:03 GMT
#310
On January 21 2010 13:56 StarsPride wrote:
they could make so much money from tickets if they changed venue.....


It has already been said that they can't charge for these events.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
January 21 2010 05:11 GMT
#311
why couldn't they have done this for the kwanro vs calm final? No one would've given a shit then
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
January 21 2010 05:24 GMT
#312
On January 21 2010 14:11 EpiK wrote:
why couldn't they have done this for the kwanro vs calm final? No one would've given a shit then


Its partly because of that that they went with a smaller venue. Since it had to be scheduled before they knew what the final ticket will look like, and attendance has been low in the past, MBC figured its better to have a smaller venue that is packed than a huge one that is mostly empty.

What would be more 'epic', seeing a full room of people cheering, or seeing an empty chair or two between every person?

Like I stated above, I can't really fault them for the smaller room, but I can (and do) for the 'virtual studio'.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Noxide
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2870 Posts
January 21 2010 05:25 GMT
#313
Pretty lame but clearly shows why OSL is the most prestiged.
Flash ひなの戦争の王である || しかし、実際にはヤフーの ファンタジーサッカー、楽しいプレー私の週末を占めている
LF9
Profile Joined November 2009
United States537 Posts
January 21 2010 05:30 GMT
#314
I bet this is a publicity stunt where the winner is set of fire back stage and BURSTS through the screen, still in flames, and jumps into the audience screaming.
0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
January 21 2010 05:59 GMT
#315
What a great decision.

Best match up we could have asked for, and they do this to it.

THIS IS WHY WE CAN"T HAVE NICE THINGS.
Hi there. I'm in a cave, how bout you?
doktorLucifer
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States855 Posts
January 21 2010 06:15 GMT
#316
On January 21 2010 14:30 LF9 wrote:
I bet this is a publicity stunt where the winner is set of fire back stage and BURSTS through the screen, still in flames, and jumps into the audience screaming.


YOU SIR ARE A GENIUS OMG IMPLEMENT THIS NOW SOMEONE.
TheFallofTroy
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada780 Posts
January 21 2010 06:19 GMT
#317
Though this is pretty disappointing to say the least, I think that this this series will provide some great games to watch.

Hopefully MBC can get their shit together for the next OSL.
^_^V
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
January 21 2010 06:30 GMT
#318
On January 21 2010 15:19 TheFallofTroy wrote:
Hopefully MBC can get their shit together for the next OSL.


MSL
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Altenotiz
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada41 Posts
January 21 2010 06:52 GMT
#319
I wonder how the players feel about all this.
A pizza with radius z and crust-height a, has a volume calculated by pi*z*z*a
skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
January 21 2010 07:03 GMT
#320
On January 21 2010 13:24 icemac wrote:
Finally when I thought "NATE MSL" would be one to remember...

Guess we can always rely on the OSL.

i'm sure if the games are good it will still be a memorable MSL regardless of the studio situation
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