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dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
January 20 2010 22:31 GMT
#221
The thing is, the funding of a team or the league is completely reliant on the generosity of the sponsor. The leagues don't seem to attract enough commercials to profit by itself and the teams don't have any source of revenue except from the sponsor. None of the factions directly associated with the game determine how much money they make. It almost entirely depends on the affiliates and what their estimation of how much starcraft is worth to them, as an advertisement campaign.

I am not sure what other sources of revenue can there be to e-sport. Perhaps it is time for people to find a solution. I think a hotdog stand would be a nice start.
dcberkeley
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada844 Posts
January 20 2010 22:32 GMT
#222
I think the point of the ZvZ post was that ZvZ ruined the last finals which means MBC is bleeding green through their nose and had to resort to this. Which is a pretty bad hypothesis because people didn't watch it because 3/4 players were mediocre not because they were ZvZ's but I don't think he should be banned...
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7584 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-20 22:37:27
January 20 2010 22:34 GMT
#223
The only thing that bothers me about this is that it is unfair for the years and years of players who didn't climb to the top because of nerves or faltered at the top because of them. Now you have the two most consistent, nerve proof gamers ever and think they need to be removed from the crowd to play well B/S.

I do think this will result in much much cleaner play and might get mbc what they want, Great games and great ratings at a very low price.

Also I have not ever watched a ZvZ finals or semifinal in my years of starcraft. I only watch zvz in the group stages or in proleague. Even though I think zvz is exciting , I don't think a bo3 or bo5 zvz is EVER EXCITING.

Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
January 20 2010 22:35 GMT
#224
...now maybe this is uncouth, or whatever, but I'm starting to hope that this bombs. I hope this is an embarrassment and that no sponsor can be found for the next MSL. I hope MBCHero can have nothing bad happen to it. Then I hope GOM, who we know can find sponsors and hold final matches with actual progamers in attendance, is allowed by Kespa to be the number 2 starleague by Kespa, with all 12 teams attending. Then I hope, of course, that our beloved Plott gets his job back, with Artosis as co-caster. mmm I love dreams
domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-20 22:36:41
January 20 2010 22:35 GMT
#225
Oh well. As long as we can hear cheering from attending fan clubs, I'll be content.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
January 20 2010 22:36 GMT
#226
Another point that I have been wondering is how GOM TV leagues survived in this already saturated and limited Korean e-sport field. From what I heard, it was actually growing in popularity before it was canceled due to Kespa. What did it do that made it right?
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
January 20 2010 22:43 GMT
#227
This is like hosting the world series in a private stadium with no audience. Wtf.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
January 20 2010 22:44 GMT
#228
On January 21 2010 07:36 dukethegold wrote:
Another point that I have been wondering is how GOM TV leagues survived in this already saturated and limited Korean e-sport field. From what I heard, it was actually growing in popularity before it was canceled due to Kespa. What did it do that made it right?

I think part of it was that good players always made the final 2: Stork vs. Flash was an epic final, 1-0, 1-2, 3-2, swinging back and forth with Flash killing carriers on Katrina with the build that made him famous. Then Flash vs. Jaedong, the dream final, and GOM promoted it really well. The games sucked, but that wasn't GOM's fault, the studio was small but packed with people lined up all over the place. Tasteless was saying that more people were outside of the venue trying to get in than inside, but screens were set up outside to entertain people in the overflow area. Season 2 was Jangbi vs. Bisu, right after they had met in the MSL (similar to how Flash vs. Stork met while they were already slated to play in the OSL final). Now Jangbi got blown out in the MSL right before, so there was less hype for this one, but it was still a dragon vs. a dragon. Then Season 3, you had Flash vs. Iris. Not the best matchup, but Iris had just beat a hot Effort. In every instance, the finals was between two players who had previously qualified for a starleague final. Flash in the GSI was the only player who hadn't yet played in a final.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
January 20 2010 22:47 GMT
#229
On January 21 2010 07:32 dcberkeley wrote:
I think the point of the ZvZ post was that ZvZ ruined the last finals which means MBC is bleeding green through their nose and had to resort to this. Which is a pretty bad hypothesis because people didn't watch it because 3/4 players were mediocre not because they were ZvZ's but I don't think he should be banned...

I think it was both the ZvZ and the quality of players. The OSL final of Jaedong vs. Luxury was a little underwhelming for an OSL final because of the matchup. But it was still better than the MSL because of the general higher quality of the OSL as well as the higher quality of players. Well, by higher quality I mean that Lux and JD had more previous big wins. I'd take Calm over Luxury at this point in time, no question. But JD and Lux > Calm and Kwanro, also no question.
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
January 20 2010 22:47 GMT
#230
This is too weird to be as simple as it seems. Jaedong broke his hand or something and they're replacing him with Killer.
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dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
January 20 2010 22:51 GMT
#231
On January 21 2010 07:47 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 07:32 dcberkeley wrote:
I think the point of the ZvZ post was that ZvZ ruined the last finals which means MBC is bleeding green through their nose and had to resort to this. Which is a pretty bad hypothesis because people didn't watch it because 3/4 players were mediocre not because they were ZvZ's but I don't think he should be banned...

I think it was both the ZvZ and the quality of players. The OSL final of Jaedong vs. Luxury was a little underwhelming for an OSL final because of the matchup. But it was still better than the MSL because of the general higher quality of the OSL as well as the higher quality of players. Well, by higher quality I mean that Lux and JD had more previous big wins. I'd take Calm over Luxury at this point in time, no question. But JD and Lux > Calm and Kwanro, also no question.


You mean Jaedong v.s. Yarnc. The one side rape one.

And Calm v.s. Kwanro was actually good.
deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
January 20 2010 22:56 GMT
#232
=[ i want gomtv back.

But tbh, we are all watching the games from a stream anyway so it wont exactly be any different for us. Terrible organisation by MBCgame, kinda makes me worried that there might not be many more MSL's D:
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 20 2010 23:00 GMT
#233
People might want to lay off MBCGame just a tiny bit here. What if they just don't have any money? Even if they want to rent out the biggest place for the most epic final, that doesn't mean they can materialize the money to do so.

I do still think they should have played the games in front of a live audience, even if it's only 1,000 fanclub members (hey, fanclub members should cheer twice as loud, right?). This 'Virtual Studio' bullshit sounds really tacky, I'm expecting to facepalm if they try to do anything cute with 'special effects' on Flash and Jaedong.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 20 2010 23:00 GMT
#234
Sometimes (much too often recently) I lose faith in humanity. Today, I just lost faith in MBCGame.
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dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-20 23:04:03
January 20 2010 23:03 GMT
#235
Here is what they can actually do to make the starleagues more profitable.

Get their own streams.

Look at CNN's website. You can watch stuff live there and can search for videos of important news. Of course, you have to watch the commercials as well when you watch it live and there is a mandatory commercial before the video starts. But all that brings in profit and ratings.

If the channels provide their own stream, then they still get the ratings and the commercial revenue as the stream users would watch the commercials anyway. Turning off the stream to avoid commercial is no worse than switching channel when the commercial pops up.

Of course, starting their own live stream would require enormous resources, which is why GOM would be much more suitable to lead this type of commercialization. They already got a working video website and it is already popular.

Why would any online users use 3rd party stream if an official one is already provided that is just as good?

I want GOM.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
January 20 2010 23:04 GMT
#236
On January 21 2010 07:47 Dental Floss wrote:
This is too weird to be as simple as it seems. Jaedong broke his hand or something and they're replacing him with Killer.


LOL. Best post in this thread yet.
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SingletonWilliam
Profile Joined April 2008
United States664 Posts
January 20 2010 23:20 GMT
#237
One of my favorite things about Starcraft is the crowd's reaction. My favorite moment from watching live starcraft was Yellow vs. Bisu and the crowd chanting Ho Jin Ho all the way through to the commercial, I'm sad we won't be able to have a moment like that for these finals.
Aegraen #1 Fan!
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
January 20 2010 23:21 GMT
#238
On January 21 2010 07:51 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 07:47 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On January 21 2010 07:32 dcberkeley wrote:
I think the point of the ZvZ post was that ZvZ ruined the last finals which means MBC is bleeding green through their nose and had to resort to this. Which is a pretty bad hypothesis because people didn't watch it because 3/4 players were mediocre not because they were ZvZ's but I don't think he should be banned...

I think it was both the ZvZ and the quality of players. The OSL final of Jaedong vs. Luxury was a little underwhelming for an OSL final because of the matchup. But it was still better than the MSL because of the general higher quality of the OSL as well as the higher quality of players. Well, by higher quality I mean that Lux and JD had more previous big wins. I'd take Calm over Luxury at this point in time, no question. But JD and Lux > Calm and Kwanro, also no question.


You mean Jaedong v.s. Yarnc. The one side rape one.

And Calm v.s. Kwanro was actually good.

lol /facepalm
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
January 20 2010 23:32 GMT
#239
somebody is retarded over at mbcgame
:)
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-20 23:38:48
January 20 2010 23:34 GMT
#240
On January 21 2010 08:32 synapse wrote:
somebody is retarded over at mbcgame

Probably not MBCgame, but rather the MBC headquarter.
MBCgame is just a sub-division. MBC headquarter probably didn't like the ratings that MBCgame has been getting lately for its recent finals and decided to cut back the budget.

BTW, why don't they just use one way see through sound proof glass for the booth instead?
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