EPTMSL Final to be not-quite "live," and fanclub only - Page 11
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Belano
Sweden657 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
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TeWy
France714 Posts
Everyone is bashing the decision (and the MSL orga) without even trying to understand it nor considering it from another point of view, that's just plain sad. And it's not like this decision will have any sort of influence on your life, 99,99% of you weren't planning to watch it live so stop exagerating everything. | ||
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Lucid90
Canada340 Posts
A good example of this is Yellow Vs GGplay If every ZvZ game is similar to this one, we would of had a much larger turnup for the Kwanro vs Calm games and also the OSL finals, and none of this garbage would be happening right now. USER BANNED FOR EITHER STUPID UNEDUCATED POST OR TROLLING | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
On January 21 2010 06:18 TeWy wrote: All I can do is laugh at your inability of understanding a different point of view than yours. Everyone is bashing the decision (and the MSL orga) without even trying to understand it nor considering it from another point of view, that's just plain sad. And it's not like this decision will have any sort of influence on your life, 99,99% of you weren't planning to watch it live so stop exagerating everything. No, I think everyone understands MBC only does this so they lose as little money as possible. But this is only a short term solution and it might even hurt them in the long run, so it's a very strange choice to say the least. But good job generalizing. | ||
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AlTheCake
Canada1071 Posts
On January 21 2010 06:18 Lucid90 wrote: + Show Spoiler + I think this is all blizzard's fault. They should change the way the ZvZ matchup works, because currently the ZvZ matchup is very boring to watch. Last season we got 2 ZvZ's in the finals and both of them weren't as entertaining to watch because, well, they we're zvz. Blizzard should move the focus in ZvZ from ling/muta/scource micro into more macro oriented play. A good example of this is Yellow Vs GGplay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfOZ7sZvnZU If every ZvZ game is similar to this one, we would of had a much larger turnup for the Kwanro vs Calm games and also the OSL finals, and none of this garbage would be happening right now. Well it's kind of late to change it now... But still, this decision is just stupid. ARG. | ||
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
On January 21 2010 05:12 HonestTea wrote: BTW, the only way that this would be justified is if the "Virtual Studio" technology is so amazing that marines and zerglings pop out of the screen and engage in combat on my lap, while a medic gives me a sponge bath, lurkers burrow into my anus, Jaedong tries to multi around my scrotum and the Overmind is whispering "NOT ENOUGH VESPENE GAS" in my ear. wait you want lurkers to burrow in your ass and jaedong multitasking around your scrotum? | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On January 21 2010 06:18 Lucid90 wrote: I think this is all blizzard's fault. They should change the way the ZvZ matchup works, because currently the ZvZ matchup is very boring to watch. Last season we got 2 ZvZ's in the finals and both of them weren't as entertaining to watch because, well, they we're zvz. Blizzard should move the focus in ZvZ from ling/muta/scource micro into more macro oriented play. A good example of this is Yellow Vs GGplay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfOZ7sZvnZU If every ZvZ game is similar to this one, we would of had a much larger turnup for the Kwanro vs Calm games and also the OSL finals, and none of this garbage would be happening right now. lol no. You're blaming ZvZ for what's happening? Really? | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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psion0011
Canada720 Posts
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Perguvious
United States1783 Posts
On January 21 2010 07:00 psion0011 wrote: I don't know, I can't say I'm that angry, we're watching streams and vods anyways. Sure would suck to be a korean fan right now though. it ruins the mood ): | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
It was just a BO3 and it was in the round of 8. The matches lasted extraordinarily short. The studio was only big enough for couple hundred people. Yet the fans screams like crazy during the match. You can feel the vibration of energy. The excitement is infectious. It glues your eyes to the screen. Imagine that Multiplied by ten. THAT WAS WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN. This is what we got. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On January 21 2010 07:09 dukethegold wrote: Do you guys remember Jaedong v.s. Flash in the OSL? It was just a BO3 and it was in the round of 8. The matches lasted extraordinarily short. The studio was only big enough for couple hundred people. Yet the fans screams like crazy during the match. You can feel the vibration of energy. The excitement is infectious. It glues your eyes to the screen. Imagine that Multiplied by ten. THAT WAS WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN. This is what we got. Thing is, MBC doesn't get money even if they rent out a 20,000 seat stadium. Yeah, they could make them pay money, but then people would get pissed in Korea that they had to pay money while all matches are usually free. It's really, really lame, and I dislike the result, but MBC just doesn't have enough money right now. MSL started late because it couldn't find a sponsor, they don't have a load of money, and they want people to watch their channel probably instead of showing up for free. I still hope for a great series, though. | ||
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tedster
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
its just because MBC doesnt have the $$. it better be livestreamed though!! | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On January 21 2010 06:18 Lucid90 wrote: I think this is all blizzard's fault. They should change the way the ZvZ matchup works, because currently the ZvZ matchup is very boring to watch. Last season we got 2 ZvZ's in the finals and both of them weren't as entertaining to watch because, well, they we're zvz. Blizzard should move the focus in ZvZ from ling/muta/scource micro into more macro oriented play. A good example of this is Yellow Vs GGplay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfOZ7sZvnZU If every ZvZ game is similar to this one, we would of had a much larger turnup for the Kwanro vs Calm games and also the OSL finals, and none of this garbage would be happening right now. USER BANNED FOR EITHER STUPID UNEDUCATED POST OR TROLLING Aww... I'm not sure if this was egregiously stupid or trolling. It might have been a sarcastic joke or something. I dunno what other posts this guy made or whatever; I can't second guess the mods, but I think he may have a point. I just think this is in the wrong thread and he may have meant to put it in the new proleague map thread where people are talking about how two zerg maps were removed in favor of some maps that might be worse for zerg because most teams are sending out 2 zergs and all the zvz are bad for ratings. Tons of people complained about how the last MSL final was underwhelming because ZvZ is not too epic, and the OP for the game reflected this. It may well have contributed to the trouble the MSL had in securing a sponsor for this season, which may well have contributed to the poor venue, so the post is relevant here. I don't think talking about Blizzard is insane. Sure, if they changed the game now it would probably make things worse. But do any of us really think that Blizzard intended for hive tech to never appear in games between good players? Last time I saw it in a pro game was Great vs. Jaedong and Great didn't get anywhere with it. ZvZ is less exciting not because of zerg players sucking or maps or kespa rules but because the game is designed in a way that makes zvz hive tech strategies inferior to more aggressive ones. I.E. Blizzard shouldn't be given immunity, IMO. Personally, I think that it is obvious that Blizzard has done better than any other RTS maker and that any "fix" would make things worse. When a PvZ game starts up, it could last 4 minutes or 80 minutes. Same with TvT. At the pro level, every matchup other than ZvZ has a wider range of ways it could play out than a ZvZ. ZvZ is getting better in that we see great players overcoming what were believed to be build order auto-losses. But still, small mistakes or even bad luck can turn a ZvZ game quicker than in other matchups, and/so they don't last long. I think this is why many foreigner zergs, like Ret, choose to go TvZ. This Lucid90 guy is probably right that if ZvZs were more epic that more people would be excited about them. I don't wish that every game was like that but it would be cool if it were a possibility. There doesn't seem to be much that can be done about it. You could make the maps bigger but that would ruin the minimap. You could put dark swarms over the mineral lines to protect drones from mutas, but zergs would probably just win with lings. You could then put a bunch of obstacles between the bases, like zig zagging routes or neutral buildings, but that and all the previously mentioned map ideas would fuck up the other matchups royally. You could have a different map pool for each matchup, but that would feel awfully inauthentic, require too much practice, and cause many other problems. And the resulting ZvZs might look different but might end up being long and boring instead of exciting but short. In any case, I hope that SC2 doesn't have a matchup where, at high level play, certain units have such a low chance of appearing as do ultras in ZvZ. | ||
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motoroia
Canada70 Posts
For OGN's case, it was owned by OnMedia. So from the name of the corp, you probably get how OnMedia made their revenue: through tv rating. So they basically invest lots of money into OGN because how they made their money whereas MBC has plenty other ways to generate revenue. Now OGN is owned by CJ Media but that's even better because CJ is one motherfu*king rich company. I dunno if you get my point, but we can't really blame MBC game for messing up like this. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
WOT WOT :/ I was thinking about taking a break from school to travel around korea and mebbe watch the finals  (i am dissapoint  | ||
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