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Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-27 23:51:58
December 27 2009 23:51 GMT
#121
On December 28 2009 08:48 Sunyveil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2009 08:01 GTR wrote:
Rekrul comes back, honestly stuff I pretty much knew but it's good to get an actual person who knows this shit to talk about this situation as well.

Progaming is never going to change in Korea from what I see. It's going to follow the same method of K-Pop. Slave contracts, everyone stays in a house, no time to do leisure and extremely difficult to break into.


rofl, gtr seriously just compared progaming with kpop.

...

...

I think we need a moment for that to sink in.


lolololl
why so 진지해?
wadadde
Profile Joined February 2009
270 Posts
December 27 2009 23:51 GMT
#122
On December 28 2009 08:35 MorroW[MB] wrote:

i dont believe that they r "racist" or anything, it sounds like ur just angry at korea because foreigners cant adapt to them and their conditions are unrealistic

German culture and mentality is significantly different from that in France. Unless you've ever been in Korea, what makes you think you can make any kind of assesment about the culture? There is such a thing as overgeneralising obviously, but anyone who's ever been abroad for a significant amount of time is struck by the profound differences between peoples. Don't overestimate your ability to judge from afar.
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
December 27 2009 23:52 GMT
#123
An amazing post, but I have a few questions.

1. Cant you request Korean classes with your schedule atleast?
2. If no, then how does IdrA communicate with other B teamers in CJ?
Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
December 27 2009 23:52 GMT
#124
Now I don't have any first hand experience here. I've never seen the progaming houses or actually gotten an idea of the conditions, but to me it seems that becoming a progamer is exactly the same as attending a high level music school, or any artistic/athletic school, in which huge amounts of practice are required to be the best, or even hang with the worst of the students.

Seems that the prospects are kind of similar (alot of music school graduates go on to do nothing outstanding), the work very intensive, and the impotus being that you must mould yourself the way they want you.

But at the same time they get to do what they enjoy doing, and perhaps thats worth it?

Am I way off or is this a workable analogy?
My. Copy. Is. Here.
JollYRoGeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden342 Posts
December 27 2009 23:54 GMT
#125
On December 28 2009 08:49 SuperJongMan wrote:
It's ok Ret!
At least Rek will be there for you!
Try to win TSL -_-;; GL on estro.....
One day... one day you may not be a progaming newbie.

Or will Elky truly be the last one...?


Leg!
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
December 27 2009 23:54 GMT
#126
i wonder if its cases like jaedong who practices that much and gets results is why korean teams are so reluctent to change their ways.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Liquid`Daaman
Profile Joined January 2003
Sweden1225 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 00:00:22
December 27 2009 23:56 GMT
#127
The koreans I met on my journeys there looong ago were all super good people and not at all as you describe the youngsters on the pro-teams today! xDDDDD

(v-gundam, sega[30d.o.m], gundam)pro, enough, [nc]...marine, [nc]...no.1, themarine and some more =O)

(note: i'm drunk - bitchin'!)
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Belano
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden657 Posts
December 27 2009 23:56 GMT
#128
On December 28 2009 08:43 Hot_Bid wrote:
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On December 28 2009 08:42 Belano wrote:
Also, is it just me or do pro-gamers seriously need some labour unions or something?

It took major sports leagues in the United States (like NBA, NFL, MLB, etc) several decades to get labor unions. Esports are nowhere close to that yet. Saying "progamers need unions" is like saying "progamers need multimillion dollar salaries." Obviously a progamer union would be awesome for them, but its just not a reality.

Yeah, I get that, I wasn't being too serious. But you know, I'm from communist Sweden, everyone has their labour union here(not really)
Bring back 1 supply roaches.
Deleriux
Profile Joined September 2009
10 Posts
December 27 2009 23:59 GMT
#129
This is probably the most intelligent post i've seen here.
This should be stickied or something.
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
December 28 2009 00:09 GMT
#130
On December 28 2009 07:39 Chef wrote:
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On December 28 2009 07:27 Megalisk wrote:
On December 28 2009 07:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:
who cares about racism or people calling you fat, playing iccup in a progamer house is better than playing iccup anywhere else. Putting aside the question of whether progaming is a worthwhile career path, if you have a goal then you do everything to work towards it.


How is playing iccup in a progamer house better than playing in your own? You're playing the exact same people, you lag so people are more hesitant to game with you. You don't know anyone in the house and can't communicate with them. The point of playing in a progamer house is to train with those other gamers in there, which ret couldn't even do due to obvious barriers. ret was better off training on his own in the comfort of his home IMO.

A progaming house takes care of your room and board so you can concentrate. At home you have to be able to pay bills.

sorry but lol, who is thinking about paying their rent or bills when playing iccup ? -_- once you play bw you concentrate its almost impossible to think about sometihng else when you have a screen in front of you
Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
December 28 2009 00:10 GMT
#131
ktf makes baseball bats?
UNFUCK YOURSELF
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25974 Posts
December 28 2009 00:10 GMT
#132
On December 28 2009 09:09 ilj.psa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2009 07:39 Chef wrote:
On December 28 2009 07:27 Megalisk wrote:
On December 28 2009 07:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:
who cares about racism or people calling you fat, playing iccup in a progamer house is better than playing iccup anywhere else. Putting aside the question of whether progaming is a worthwhile career path, if you have a goal then you do everything to work towards it.


How is playing iccup in a progamer house better than playing in your own? You're playing the exact same people, you lag so people are more hesitant to game with you. You don't know anyone in the house and can't communicate with them. The point of playing in a progamer house is to train with those other gamers in there, which ret couldn't even do due to obvious barriers. ret was better off training on his own in the comfort of his home IMO.

A progaming house takes care of your room and board so you can concentrate. At home you have to be able to pay bills.

sorry but lol, who is thinking about paying their rent or bills when playing iccup ? -_- once you play bw you concentrate its almost impossible to think about sometihng else when you have a screen in front of you

What are you possibly talking about? LOL.
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Amarxist
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States371 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 00:14:33
December 28 2009 00:12 GMT
#133
Thank you Daddy Rekrul for illuminating this topic. I always thought it was sucidal to go to Korea to be a progamer without at least learning some Korean first. I guess this affirms my thoughts on how progaming actually is.
☺ ☻
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
December 28 2009 00:13 GMT
#134
On December 28 2009 09:10 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2009 09:09 ilj.psa wrote:
On December 28 2009 07:39 Chef wrote:
On December 28 2009 07:27 Megalisk wrote:
On December 28 2009 07:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:
who cares about racism or people calling you fat, playing iccup in a progamer house is better than playing iccup anywhere else. Putting aside the question of whether progaming is a worthwhile career path, if you have a goal then you do everything to work towards it.


How is playing iccup in a progamer house better than playing in your own? You're playing the exact same people, you lag so people are more hesitant to game with you. You don't know anyone in the house and can't communicate with them. The point of playing in a progamer house is to train with those other gamers in there, which ret couldn't even do due to obvious barriers. ret was better off training on his own in the comfort of his home IMO.

A progaming house takes care of your room and board so you can concentrate. At home you have to be able to pay bills.

sorry but lol, who is thinking about paying their rent or bills when playing iccup ? -_- once you play bw you concentrate its almost impossible to think about sometihng else when you have a screen in front of you

What are you possibly talking about? LOL.

you missed something?
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
December 28 2009 00:13 GMT
#135
btw great thread, so whats the situation with ret now?
puttputt
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada240 Posts
December 28 2009 00:15 GMT
#136
good informative and real situation op!
from saskatchewan? saskgamers.com
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51398 Posts
December 28 2009 00:16 GMT
#137
On December 28 2009 09:10 Nitrogen wrote:
ktf makes baseball bats?


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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
December 28 2009 00:17 GMT
#138
On December 28 2009 09:13 ilj.psa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2009 09:10 Chill wrote:
On December 28 2009 09:09 ilj.psa wrote:
On December 28 2009 07:39 Chef wrote:
On December 28 2009 07:27 Megalisk wrote:
On December 28 2009 07:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:
who cares about racism or people calling you fat, playing iccup in a progamer house is better than playing iccup anywhere else. Putting aside the question of whether progaming is a worthwhile career path, if you have a goal then you do everything to work towards it.


How is playing iccup in a progamer house better than playing in your own? You're playing the exact same people, you lag so people are more hesitant to game with you. You don't know anyone in the house and can't communicate with them. The point of playing in a progamer house is to train with those other gamers in there, which ret couldn't even do due to obvious barriers. ret was better off training on his own in the comfort of his home IMO.

A progaming house takes care of your room and board so you can concentrate. At home you have to be able to pay bills.

sorry but lol, who is thinking about paying their rent or bills when playing iccup ? -_- once you play bw you concentrate its almost impossible to think about sometihng else when you have a screen in front of you

What are you possibly talking about? LOL.

you missed something?

lol Chill so stupid!!
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errol1001
Profile Joined April 2008
454 Posts
December 28 2009 00:18 GMT
#139
I think the way it goes is, it's awesome that you're visiting their country, and they like that. They want to show you a good time, then you'll go back home and talk about how great their country was and you want to go back. Just don't go back, because it changes when you're not just a tourist and are now competing with them in their own country.

Sub china/korea/japan into the above and I think it's still true. Not to say there aren't cool people, but if I recall correctly 98/99% of the population is asian. And it would be one step further for people to actively help a foreigner (basically because they are a foreigner). Numbers don't add up to a good experience.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
December 28 2009 00:20 GMT
#140
thats the real reason I avoided Chill at blizzcon
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