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Tyrokomos
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Greece43 Posts
December 28 2009 00:21 GMT
#141
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25981 Posts
December 28 2009 00:24 GMT
#142
On December 28 2009 09:13 ilj.psa wrote:
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On December 28 2009 09:10 Chill wrote:
On December 28 2009 09:09 ilj.psa wrote:
On December 28 2009 07:39 Chef wrote:
On December 28 2009 07:27 Megalisk wrote:
On December 28 2009 07:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:
who cares about racism or people calling you fat, playing iccup in a progamer house is better than playing iccup anywhere else. Putting aside the question of whether progaming is a worthwhile career path, if you have a goal then you do everything to work towards it.


How is playing iccup in a progamer house better than playing in your own? You're playing the exact same people, you lag so people are more hesitant to game with you. You don't know anyone in the house and can't communicate with them. The point of playing in a progamer house is to train with those other gamers in there, which ret couldn't even do due to obvious barriers. ret was better off training on his own in the comfort of his home IMO.

A progaming house takes care of your room and board so you can concentrate. At home you have to be able to pay bills.

sorry but lol, who is thinking about paying their rent or bills when playing iccup ? -_- once you play bw you concentrate its almost impossible to think about sometihng else when you have a screen in front of you

What are you possibly talking about? LOL.

you missed something?

Yea I missed the part where you said anything remotely reasonable. Obviously they aren't thinking about paying bills in the game, rofl.
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HiOT
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Sweden1000 Posts
December 28 2009 00:28 GMT
#143
Ret is slumping due to one thing, he has been of weed to long. Gtfhome smoke some and just kill tsl2
Officially the founder of Team Property (:
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
December 28 2009 00:28 GMT
#144
Dont agree with you at all when it comes to the way you speak of korea and koreans. If try to adapt there is NO problem no matter who you are to fit in. It's not that different from adapting to any other place where they dont speak english.
4649!!
SiDX
Profile Joined July 2009
New Zealand1975 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 00:30:57
December 28 2009 00:29 GMT
#145
Thanks for clearing it up. Mad respect for Ret for trying and realizing its pointless.

Also i think we gotta stop making sc1 progaming seem so amazing when it obviously isn't
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 00:42:32
December 28 2009 00:35 GMT
#146
edit: fuck you're right I misread lol
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
December 28 2009 00:40 GMT
#147
I already hoped/assumed a Rekrul post was gonna pop up about this. Outspoken yet truthful and informative as usual, tx.
觀過斯知仁矣.
kulik-
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Czech Republic305 Posts
December 28 2009 00:41 GMT
#148
I hate rekrul... but in this case hes totally right
and i cant really understand why people were comin there and didnt expect this... ofcourse that they will treat u like a bitch and expect that u will listen to them.. u wanted to come over and to join THEIR team. u have to respect their rules..
and who here say that in EU this would not be possible to be like slave... i think u are really dumb nobody say to this people to be in this house u can leave anytime u want but u will not be succesful.. its like in any other sport... u live for it or u leave...
Terrible OP. Improve your posting or next one is a perma-ban.
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
December 28 2009 00:43 GMT
#149
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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
December 28 2009 00:44 GMT
#150
yep, progaming is merciless. it ain't a walk in the park. this post is a good reminder of what everyone is supposed to already know about life as a progamer.
Brood War loyalist
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
December 28 2009 00:47 GMT
#151
Entertaining post, Rekrul delivers

as for the information contained in it, well... you could kinda guess what was up. Not too much of a shocker, imo.

I hope things work out the best possible way for ret in the end. It just feels better to root for someone more friendly and humble than Idra, at least from the outside.
BW fighting!
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
December 28 2009 00:49 GMT
#152
The most facinating about this thread is that a lot of people actually thought that going korea as a progamer is an was thing to do! Ofcourse theyre going to demand you to train until you cant keep your eyes open anymore. Ofcourse theyre going to demand discipline, as they would of anyone going to Korea for work. Ofcourse its going to be difficult to make friends when you dont know the language.

Is all this really news?
On December 28 2009 09:29 SiDX wrote:
Also i think we gotta stop making sc1 progaming seem so amazing when it obviously isn't

I still think its amazing and I surely would grab the oppertuinity if I could. Even if you fail, 1 year of adventure is surely worth it in the end. In the same way I think it would be facinating to be president, I know theres a lot of work to get that job. But that doesnt mean its not worth it if its what youre dreaming of. I respect people who chase their dream, even if it seems like a "stupid" decision in the eyes of others.
4649!!
Mooga
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States575 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 01:05:11
December 28 2009 00:55 GMT
#153
What. It has only been about 2 months since he got to Korea. To be honest I didn't expect him to stay long ever since his trip to Korea was announced, so I can't say that I'm disappointed, but I think foreigners should look at history and seriously consider the failure rate before deciding to go. If too many more foreigners quit within 2 months after going to a progaming team, I think we may find that the teams will be more apprehensive about offering spots to foreigners in the near future.

With that said, I have even more respect now for what Idra is doing.
Asjo
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Denmark664 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 01:05:16
December 28 2009 00:57 GMT
#154
Since the Teamliquid forums sadly hide the topics that have been closed (moved to the closed forums, where people won't see them), I was thinking that some people might find the quote where ret explain the situation useful (from the topic "ret @ Courage #2"):

Quote 1

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On December 28 2009 00:51 ret wrote:
just to clarify a few things:

As far as the games went, first game he went 9 pool I went 12 pool. I stopped his lings, then stopped muta/ling harass and won the game off 2 gas mutas eventually.

2nd game he scouted me first, I had went 12 pool again and he went 12 hatch, I couldn't pressure him w/ lings, then made 2 too many drones and lost quickly to non stop lings off 2 hatch.

3rd game ( I believe this one is recorded ) I went 12 hatch and he went 12 pool, he made drones early when he saw my 12 hat, it was on hbr so we actually scouted each other normally, then I failed to do any damage with lings, and when I was about to, 4 mutas popped so I had to pull back 14 lings that i couldnt do anything with, bad judgement on my part. After that I actually decided to get muta armor because I am completly unconfident doing muta / scourge vs muta / scourge with a korean. Because of that however I lost a muta battle a little bit before my upgrade finished, he had more, and his control was far better.

My living conditions have not been anything like what people here think.
I have been living with artosis for the past 3 weeks (poor guy has spent maybe 3 days alone in his new appartment he got in august lol), before that I was in the estro house for 2,5 weeks. Before that I was staying at IEF hotels/living with artosis for a month. There were a lot of differences between what estro wanted, what I wanted, and my expectations of living with a team were a lot different than reality. Details are not really important but for one nobody really played with me and the coaches didn't show any interest. It was really hard to stay motivated the past little while, wether it was in estro or sitting in a pc bang, grinding away at iccup for x ammount of hours a day anonomyously and unable to play with friends because of 'lag' has been really difficult. There were a lot of things on the side that really bothered me and them (estro) as well, things I did wrong on my part. Combined with how it all started, me coming over and being 'kicked' out for a month b/c of the false replay thing etc, it was just a far from ideal situation. I can understand estro's point of view as well, I am a 24 year old white guy, and my personality is quite different from the average 16 year old korean they bring in, so it must've been somewhat different for them also. Anyhow, I couldn't live there anymore, I was miserable there, however I didn't want to give up on the 'progamer dream' either. I'm actually really surprised people didn't catch on when I started streaming again, when you live in a progamer house your schedual is 12 hours 7 days a week so there would never be any time to stream. =P

My plan was to do well at courage and try to find a different team, but since I lost in the 1st round, not once, but twice, I don't know how feasible that is now. Those results look REALLY REALLY bad to just about anyone, not to mention what it does to my self-image and self-confidence when it comes to sc. I am extremely dissapointed with what I have done since I've gone to Korea. I got raped by terror[fou] in IEF, lost twice to people who are not really anything special in courage, and in general am still struggling hard at the A- level on iccup. I don't want to give up, but I also can't just stay for another X ammount of month in Korea troubling artosis with a roommate and spending money playing out of a pc bang and having to pay for daily food etc. Even though my training scheduales have been far from ideal, I have a hard time believing someone like kolll or dimaga would do this bad.

I'm really not sure what to do now.


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On December 28 2009 04:26 ret wrote:
The estro coaches are actually very friendly. They didn't go out of their way to discriminate me, but they didn't go out of their way to help me either. It's just a huge culture difference. I have nothing against them. It just didn't work out w/ them, no hard feelings there.

I explained things because I was tired of people asking me how it was like in the estro house, and partly to make an excuse for my pityfull courage performance. But please don't turn this into an estro hate fest, because their coaches and especially the manager, hwanni, are very good people. It's partly my fault that things didn't work out as well.


Quote 3

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On December 28 2009 01:27 ret wrote:
zergpower, taking money from people who love the game just to further fund a journey that has very little prospect right now is just about the last thing I want to do, and shouldn't be rushed into.

I really appreciate your support, but It's not really the appropiate time atm.
I am not sure what to say
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
December 28 2009 01:01 GMT
#155
yo a south korean's lifestyle is hard from the beginning

do you know how much shit a little KID goes through just for school?

a foreigner can't take the shit a kid takes

a progamer's life is so much harder.

South Korea is hard shit and you need to have some balls to get in there
Nony is Bonjwa
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
December 28 2009 01:01 GMT
#156
I thought people knew of this.. that this was common sense. Mad props to Rekrul giving a much healthy needed bitchslap back to reality of pro-gaming.
MoeMoeKyun
Profile Joined January 2009
United States215 Posts
December 28 2009 01:05 GMT
#157
Agree with pretty much every part on Korean behavior. I'm half korean(look american though) and every fucken person at my korean church is such an ass to me it's not even funny(The one I grew up in was nice but not when I moved to this place), you open doors for people and they don't even acknowledge your presence, then they turn around and greet some other kid just because his face it =_=

Good post.
I lol in ur general direction
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
December 28 2009 01:05 GMT
#158
Truth is harsh, but we all like to live our dreams, even if it costs us our life.

=/
miseiler
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1389 Posts
December 28 2009 01:06 GMT
#159
God I wish some people in science had half the balls Rekrul does.

It's such an incredible skill...being able to tell someone that what they're doing is stupid. Too much time is wasted in my line of work when all they needed was a Rekrul to tell them, 'Just fucking stop. This is stupid.'
"Jinro soo manly wearing only a T-Shirt while the Koreans freeze in their jackets" -- Double_O
"He's from Sweden, man. We have to fight polar bears on our way to school." -- Yusername
syst
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
United States247 Posts
December 28 2009 01:12 GMT
#160
Anyone who thought life in a korean pro house was anything other than this couldn't get past their delusions over the fantasy of what they want progaming to be, rather than what economics and culture dictate. Use your brains and connect the dots and it's so obvious that there's very little glitz in the world of professional gaming. The majority of TLers need to stop being delusional about this game.

If you do anything for a job, you better do it fucking well. If you're going to compete against thousands of people for the few paying jobs in this industry, then you better be a hundred times better than average, and you need to play those extra two hours a day, and then another extra two hours, and not see the light of day, because other people are willing to practice their asses off to get the few prizes there are.
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