EPTSo I'm interested to watch some GOOD starcraft commentating that actually talks really indepth about what's going on in the game. Please help!
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
So I'm interested to watch some GOOD starcraft commentating that actually talks really indepth about what's going on in the game. Please help! | ||
GTR
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On October 03 2009 14:13 GTR wrote: Day[9], Artosis, Chill. i hate your sig btw  | ||
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
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Marathe
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MrHoon
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WO MEI YO PENG YO D: Anyways I've always enjoyed Day9 podcasts, but no, those 3 do not make regular cast vods | ||
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United States1401 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Artosis/Chill is a great combo. SDM is an awesome commentator without tasteless to distract him. I'm gonna start commentating but I'll be horrible and insulted becuase i don't have in-depth strategical knowledge but w/e I'm doing it for my own amusement. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On October 03 2009 14:13 GTR wrote: Day[9], Artosis, Chill. This. If you're looking for dry, very analytical, in-depth game knowledge, Chill is spectacular. | ||
CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
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Whiplash
United States2928 Posts
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nextstep
Canada705 Posts
that is where all dual, triple, quad commentaries go. watch a few matches you might be interested in, and see which commentators you like most. the cholera and rise duo used to be my favorite, but they don't do dual commentaries anymore. they were the ones who brought me into starcraft pro scene. don't think Rise does any commentary anymore. too bad. cholera is nice for the casual watcher like me. low amount of analysis - but analysis nonetheless lots of "jokes" that you'll understand only if you follow his videos, and have to know abit about the SC scene and even then, it's not funny sometimes, but at least he tries! makes watching SC fun imo. for indepth analysis, no idea. i get bored from some of the other commentators. especially 25+ minute games. | ||
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Ingenol
United States1328 Posts
Chill is my favorite, though. ::COUGH:: I wish he would do more FPVOD's ::COUGH:: | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Artosis > all, though. | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On October 03 2009 14:13 GTR wrote: Day[9], Artosis, Chill. None of which have done any recent pro commentary, right? Just foreigner games? Shame because I really like the strategic insight into the games, rather than the Klazart and other youtube'r styles of just describing what is going on in an excited voice. | ||
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nextstep
Canada705 Posts
Decent analysis, and not boring at all. Second fav duo after Cholera + Rise. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On October 03 2009 14:58 motbob wrote: After SDM/lilsusie started co-casting with Tasteless I think the quality of his casts dropped considerably IMO. I'd rather watch a Cholera-casted game than a GOM game nowaday. Cholera is incredible as far as amateur casters go... IMO he's almost certainly the best out of all the sc2gg guys. Artosis > all, though. I agree, I like Cholera a lot more than klazart/moletrap | ||
520
United States2822 Posts
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4337 Posts
Tasteless is good entertainment value. Always fun to watch/listen to him cast. I haven't heard too much of everybody else to make an opinion. Except for Cholera. Kid is terrible in my opinion. (But the same can be said of me. =p) | ||
thedeadhaji
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On October 03 2009 14:13 GTR wrote: Day[9], Artosis, Chill. Perfect response S2 | ||
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On October 03 2009 14:13 GTR wrote: Day[9], Artosis, Chill. Isn't this pointless to suggest because they almost never commentate, especially the Korean scene? Artosis did for a bit on scforall, but that crappy scforall player basically made it impossible to enjoy his commentaries. As long as we're going with commentators that doesn't mean a hell of a lot to most TL.net members, I'd like to suggest Kang Min and the rest of the MBC commentating crew. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
I really don't like single commentators, it just doesn't feel right without the chatter. | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
other than that have to say i like Artosis best of all foreign commentators I have listened to... He just gives decent commentary, talks normal and doesn't try to do the fake enthousiasm at key moments too much.... | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
http://blip.tv/file/1153626 | ||
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johanes
Czech Republic2229 Posts
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daz
Canada643 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On October 03 2009 15:24 Psyonic_Reaver wrote: I like Diggity and Artosis. I like to listen to Moletrap every once and awhile or if he's the only one who covered a game I wanted to watch. Tasteless is good entertainment value. Always fun to watch/listen to him cast. I haven't heard too much of everybody else to make an opinion. Except for Cholera. Kid is terrible in my opinion. (But the same can be said of me. =p) I like Psyonic_Reaver live partnered with Artosis | ||
disciple
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Muirhead
United States556 Posts
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Falling
Canada11363 Posts
You could say nothing is better than compromising whatever standard you have for commentating. Fair play, but my preference will be something over nothing. | ||
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ndralcasid
United States524 Posts
Tasteless and SDM in terms of insight Cholera and Rise in terms of comedic/entertainment value | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On October 03 2009 15:12 scintilliaSD wrote: That being said, if you want strategic viewpoints with a bit of humor from a Terran view, Gretorp's stream taught me a lot of stuff about Terran that I didn't know before. this, along with chill, artosis, and day[9] | ||
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
On October 03 2009 15:55 johanes wrote: Ideal combination would be Tasteless + Artosis + Daniel Lee. Tasteless for leading the comentating and screaming, Daniel for background facts a and strategy and Artosis for in-depth strategy analysis and © DT nerd rage. I would have to agree, this is a great combination of casters. Tasteless - Quality insight, particularly involving basic game mechanics that help introduce the new viewer to competitive Starcraft. Also has 'advanced' level insight, particularly about his race, Protoss. I thought his earlier casts without anyone co-commentating that he shined the most, however, I still like him when he is teamed up with SDM, as long as they stay on topic for the majority. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind if they get a little off-topic, but not when critical game changing events are happening. Artosis - High level insight, also is still a competitive player and making great tutorials, his insight is more appealing to the mid to high level player, or low level players interested in more technical commentary than informational/entertainment commentary. Also a Terran know-it-all. SDM - While mainly a minor thing, he can sometimes be inaccurate in his commentating. However, this is why Tasteless is here to correct him if needed. His experiences with coaching/KeSPA/South Korea in general are a very nice touch, which helps contribute to the overall discussion of professional Starcraft. While his game insight isn't as good as Artosis or Tasteless, he still can contribute. Like said in this thread, he is there for background facts and minor strategic input. | ||
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Lucktar
United States526 Posts
On October 03 2009 16:17 daz wrote: chill and artosis. oh and i heard daz and petzergling are pretty good too It's true, but you guys stopped doing commentaries. You should seriously do more. | ||
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KillForce
Sweden36 Posts
diggity seem to be underrated, he's one of few youtube casters that doesn't trip over his own voice. i think a lot of casters would get a lot better if they just calmed down a bit. | ||
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
Dreiven vs Yosh: Dreiven: I don't have time for this shit | ||
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KristianJS
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Diggity and Nuke keep it fairly professional without too much bias and insulting jokes, especially Diggity who is probably the best if you want someone who stays mostly calm and professional when there's nothing exciting happening (he gets really enthusiastic when there IS stuff happening though!). Nuke is sorta similar. Cholera is my personal favourite but he's probably not for everyone. He has a lot of internal jokes and can be super-biased (he has a boundless love for reach) but really if you pay attention you can tell he's doing it all for our entertainment, and it seriously is incredibly entertaining (example: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
On October 03 2009 14:13 GTR wrote: Day[9], Artosis, Chill. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2277 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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ThunderGod
New Zealand897 Posts
Diggity has an amazing voice and a good pace to his commentaries. Nuke has a bit more humour and perhaps a little less in depth analysis. However he does extra content beyond just casting the OSL which is amazingly good. (eg hype videos and his Swarm video). Definitely the best commentator for extra content. Also Nuke has his commentaries out the day after at the latest, which is better than can be said for all the other SC2GG commentators. If you like the Klazzart type of commentary, i.e. super high energy, then check out RanshinDA | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
I have mixed feelings about Tasteless; he comes up with hilarious off-topic stuff quite often, but sometimes it goes a tad to far and he misses really key moments. I also think people overrate his strategical analysis. He's good though. For sheer entertainment value, almost all of the Sc2gg guys are great. Since Klazart quit I think Moletrap is my favourite, he is funneh. :D The best thing about them is that they put up so many commentaries on a regular basis. | ||
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QibingZero
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okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. Okay, really though, day9/artosis/chill are pretty much where you want to go if you want more in-depth analysis of games. Even if you've watched and played way too many games of starcraft in your life, they still occasionally say things that provide insight, and things that you don't hear much about. | ||
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
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faseman
Australia215 Posts
I loved Tasteless when he was solo-casting in Korea, but lately it's not the same when he has a partner. SDM is very hard for me to listen to as well. I have to concentrate too hard on what he is trying to say at times and it puts me off. I'm sure this isn't the case with most people, though. | ||
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Noah
Norway164 Posts
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Ahzz
Finland780 Posts
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aeroH
United States1034 Posts
although like other people say, i don't think everyone would like him. diggity's voice is just so unenthusiastic to be honest. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
I like: Day[9]: Understands the game + funney Artosis: Understands the game + interesting opinions Chill: Understands the game + canadian Tasteless: Understands the game + funney Dislike: Diggity: Would be a great radio host, but he does not understand the game and is not funney. T_T SDM: He understands the game, but the IdrA incident + his ability to not talk about the game + his ability to only talk about the errors that the players make, makes him annoying to listen to. Just my opinion.  | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
There really aren't many good commentators around. Diggity is pretty good and his knowledge has been improving but he still has some quite strange ideas. Overall though, he is one of the better commentators Cholera really doesn't know much about Starcraft and only talks about lurkers and lurker/sunken/spore defense in zvp that his buddy taught him to do and it works at D-D+ rank. Still, he can be quite funny and entertaining at times. Moletrap is quite good with the enthusiasm, but he really doesn't have much in-depth knowledge about the game and hence functions a lot better in a dual-commentary with someone like Diggity. Rise I've never really liked, I find his voice really strange, he has a relatively subpar sense of humor, and he really can't do much except 10/15 into DTs. I guess he got like C- with that though so maybe he's pro. Ahzz had some problems with sounding like a robot but is getting better, and his FPVODs are actually highly recommended. I'd rate them just about as high as I would Chill's. Then there's Kenny who really sounds fake excited most of the time, and although his knowledge really is alright, I wouldn't rank him as one of the top commentators around. Then there of course are people like GrethSC who knows nothing about Starcraft and makes commentaries where he makes fun of D-rank players when he himself is a lot worse than that. Not to mention that he even is wrong in almost everything he says while making fun of the player. Then there's RanshinDA, who's the most only-explain-what-happens-on-the-screen commentator around, and doesn't seem to know much about the game and only tells you everything you can see. The rest of the SC2GG commentators I really haven't heard much of, but I doubt I'd find them too enjoyable Overall, my favorite commentators would have to be... Artosis is the best commentator in my opinion. I really like his voice, his sense of humor, and his high technical knowledge, along with his DT hatred and nerdrages. Then, there's Day9, whose voice I at first used to dislike, but then started liking him. He too knows a lot about the game, and you can really see that. Tasteless used to be very good back in the GSI and Gom S1, but he has gotten a lot worse to me, and really isn't as funny anymore and sounds almost like a C-rank player now. Still, he's one of the best commentators out there. I really like Chill's commentating, and his stream is really entertaining and helpful, as are all of the games he's commentated. He really should do some more commentaries, though. I guess that's about it. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On October 03 2009 15:40 illu wrote: I like PLU ;D I agree, Dashi and Sanpao are hilarious and their analysis is pretty good too. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On October 03 2009 22:28 writer22816 wrote: I agree, Dashi and Sanpao are hilarious and their analysis is pretty good too. So I'm not the only one here who watches their commentaries. I find them both much better than the English commentators, except Chill. But then again, I like scathing commentaries where they really say their opinions. Part of the reason why I get annoyed at Tasteless. He tries too hard to be neutral. | ||
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chongu
Malaysia2590 Posts
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DivinO
United States4796 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
especially when working together | ||
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butter
United States785 Posts
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
On October 04 2009 01:01 butterbrain wrote: superiorwolf has been seriously overlooked in this thread He lost his charm imo | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
On October 03 2009 22:50 baubo wrote: So I'm not the only one here who watches their commentaries. I find them both much better than the English commentators, except Chill. But then again, I like scathing commentaries where they really say their opinions. Part of the reason why I get annoyed at Tasteless. He tries too hard to be neutral. I agree partially. Now, they are obviously extremely good sc players and their analysis are better than most other commentators, but sometimes they are not good as "filling gaps" - that is, say thing when there isn't too much going on. So sometimes it seems a little bit odd, if not boring. That being said, I'd still think they are 10 times better than SC2GG D- commentators. | ||
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monolith94
United States47 Posts
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bEsT[Alive]
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If you are lucky you'll find some of the top foreigners commentating on some matches here. For those who do it on a regular basis I would say Chill and Artosis. There's a reason why I got excited watching the WCFT Tourney GOM hosted and it's because of Rotterdam and ToD. They made that Event what it was, with their deep understanding of what was happening. They were pretty much right on the ball. The ToT stream is another one to watch out for, considering Infernal and some of the other ToT players like Aerials sometimes comment the games. | ||
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
On October 03 2009 14:13 GTR wrote: Day[9], Artosis, Chill. where do i watch day[9] commentaries? I've only seen him do 1 and it was funny. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On October 04 2009 02:39 Mobius wrote: where do i watch day[9] commentaries? I've only seen him do 1 and it was funny. He co-casted the CSL all-stars with Cholera, look on http://www.youtube.com/cholerasc | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1012 Posts
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Tom Phoenix
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Chill and Artosis, as everbody knows, have excellent knowledge of the game, knowing many of the technical intricacies that others do not. However, as far as commentary is concerned, they are both horrible on their own. They have an exceptionally dry tone, which makes their solo commentaries sound like teachings of an old-fashioned university teacher. This particularly comes off suprising as far as Chill is concerned, considering he is a bit of a joker on the TL forums. However, the important words to note are on their own. When added into dual or triple commentaries, both of them tend to shine since their deep knowledge of the game combines well with the showmanship of others. As for the SC2GG commentators. While most of them do not have the deep technical knowledge of the TL commentators, most of them do have a preety strong showmanship and community aspects. Unsuprisingly, the best ones are the senior casters: - Diggity has an excellent casting voice and a professional demeanour, which are suprising qualities for a casual caster. - Rise and Moletrap are jokers themselves, bringing humour in their casts (although, like Chill and Artosis, they are not very good on their own...ironically, for the exact opposite reasons). - Cholera brings a lot of infectious enthusiasm into his commentaries and is also responsible for creating and popularising some of the terms (Hyuking, Cholera build) and progamer nicknames (Terminator Terran, Pterodactyl Toss). - Klazart (now retired) was more familiar in the SC community for his weak game knowledge (he is particularly notorious for describing Forge FE opening as the Bisu Build). However, he also had a rich vocabulary and his enthusiasm for the game also tended to be infectious. He was also the first person to provide english commentaries of Korean games on a regular basis and inspired many other commentators (including all of the above SC2GG commentators) to take the mantle themselves, hence why some call him the "Godfather of commentators". - NukeTheStars, like Day[9], also has a polite demeanour and some incredibly witty humour. He also makes excellent audio intros, which are a combination of commercial and his own work However, his community projects (such as prediction/hype videos) are even better then his commentaries. - RanshinDA is the weakest of the SC2GG commentators, his qualities being neither here nor there. However, since he is very casual in his castings, this makes his commentaries appealing to relative newcomers. Lastly, I would also like to talk about SDM. It is true that he does not have particularly strong commentary skills. However, having been involved with the StarCraft e-Sports scene since it`s very humble beginnings, his knowledge of it is unsurpassed even by many in Korea itself, let alone outside of it. Besides which, Tasteless`s good game knowledge and humour (although which tends to be very cheesy at times) are valuable in helping SDM during their casts. So while he is not a particularly good commentator, I think the SC community is blessed to have him regardless. | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1012 Posts
On October 04 2009 05:05 Tom Phoenix wrote: Day[9] can preety safely be considered the best commentator in the SC community, surpassing even his own brother Tasteless. LOL Make a poll and prove it so I can see it with my own eyes. | ||
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Daedes
Bangladesh105 Posts
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
On October 04 2009 05:37 Freezard wrote: LOL Make a poll and prove it so I can see it with my own eyes. Em.....ok. Poll: Who do you consider the best commentator in the SC community? (Vote): Day[9] (Vote): Tasteless (Vote): Artosis (Vote): Chill (Vote): Diggity (Vote): Moletrap (Vote): Rise (Vote): Cholera (Vote): Klazart (Vote): NukeTheStars (Vote): RanshinDA (Vote): Other (name which one) | ||
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Greth
Belgium318 Posts
I realise that the poll would end up as a landslide victory in my favour ... But ... Isn't that what democracy is about? | ||
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Doso
Germany769 Posts
You might also want to check out my YouTube Account, i am subscribed to probably every atl east decent english commentator there is. | ||
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4337 Posts
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
On October 04 2009 06:07 Greth wrote: Aww, you quote me in your sig but you don't include me in the poll ... I'm hurt :'( I realise that the poll would end up as a landslide victory in my favour ... But ... Isn't that what democracy is about? I am sorry, Greth, I did not mean to. However, I am fairly certain the discussion is about commentators who commentate professional SC games. Sadly, since you make it a policy to commentate only amateur games, you are not that particularly known. | ||
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Radivel-X17
Canada144 Posts
I think that all the guys mentioned in these posts have their good and bad points. Like, for me, I enjoy Tasteless stuff a hell of a lot, but SuperDanielMan's tone of voice is like stabbing a knife in my ear, to me. I was pretty annoyed when he joined with Tasteless there, it sort of made it impossible to watch. Same with when LilSusie "helped out", adding insightful commentary such as "I like reavers!", and "reaaaaveeerr!". Tasteless did a really good job when he was by himself, as it isn't an easy thing, I've had a lot of discussions with commentators over the past couple years (you can imagine) and they've all sort of agreed that it wasn't an easy thing, he handled it very well. I love Diggity's tone of voice, I loved that Klazart could talk faster than Jaedong could play, and I love Mole's excitement. I think it's absolutely fine that Cholera and Greth do this sort of thing and talk about the stuff they do because they enjoy it and not because it's exactly what everyone wants to hear all the time. I think Nuke has been doing a great job, and should be mentioned along with the other top guys, and I think it's cool that people keep starting up to do something they enjoy. Chill is amusing for being brutally scathing, Artosis always did a good job, I think someone mentioned Ascension, if you go back and listen to that you can play a drinking game where you take a shot every time Artosis says someone is "very very good", you'd be drunk real fast. Thankfully he's sort of got over that, I mean, every commentator has some random thing they say too often, but it's good he stopped, haha. Anyway, I've always wanted to see people be more accepting people doing this stuff because they like it, rather than just hated right away for some awkward reasons about not doing the super best most honest and accurate job or something. Go hate FOX News if that's the case, cause really, look at that shit. I voted for Diggity, cause listening to him was what made me start watching pro SC games in the first place. Always enjoy what he's done. | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1012 Posts
The current poll is old now anyway  Asgård won. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
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daz
Canada643 Posts
On October 03 2009 16:46 Lucktar wrote: It's true, but you guys stopped doing commentaries. You should seriously do more.one day we will return. mark my words sir | ||
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520
United States2822 Posts
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integral
United States3156 Posts
Artosis is the best english commentator I've listened to, and no one else is even close imo. I can generate my own excitement watching the game, I'd trade klazart's excitement for artosis' insight any day. edit: daz and petzergling were pretty entertaining to listen to two MSLs ago, a link on bnet is actually what led to me rediscovering the proscene and joining TL. | ||
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
Still besides that he fantastic. So I'll go tasteless and artosis combo. | ||
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KnightOfNi
United States1508 Posts
When Tasteless and SDM are actually talking about the game, thats the best strategical insight from any english cast, but usually they aren't so yeah... | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On October 05 2009 03:28 KnightOfNi wrote: Cholera is the reason I DON'T watch commentated games lol. When Tasteless and SDM are actually talking about the game, thats the best strategical insight from any english cast, but usually they aren't so yeah... Really? To me, it just sounds like they want to make the players fat by stuffing them full of hot dogs. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On October 04 2009 00:16 IdrA wrote: artosis and tasteless are the best, by far especially when working together +1 | ||
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
Chill I like when I want to learn more. Loved listening to him during TSL/other showmatches/his livestream. His way of teaching seems to be easier for me to learn from. | ||
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AraqirG
United States266 Posts
http://www.youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27152 Posts
Day is the best solo caster because he doesn't need to rely on anyone else. He doesn't need a break in the cast to organize his thoughts and he can monologue well. Tasteless doesn't follow his own tournament, let alone progaming, and it shows. The goofy amateurism that made him popular at WCGs and Blizzcons doesn't translate well in the GOM format. I can't listen to him anymore because of that, because it is clear he doesn't know what is happening. It is a shame, because had he invested the time and effort, he could be the best ever. Other commentators have their strong points, but I feel people often try to be something they aren't, which makes it a bit painful. If you are a D player, don't try to cast like Artosis. | ||
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Wire
United States494 Posts
Day[9] "Oh but who cares what I think I'm just a A+ Zerg" Pr0terg "Oh no Andre don't do that..." Chill Artosis Diggity Cholera would be 6th. | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
In terms of SC2GG commentators... I'd say moletrap is the best, just because none of them go really in-depth about the game, and in my opinion moletrap has the best jokes. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
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RedTerror
New Zealand742 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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puppykiller
United States3130 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
On October 05 2009 15:53 ViruX wrote: Obviously teamliquid casters are going to get votes in this teamliquid poll They aren't teamliquid casters though. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
yo mr hoon im rly happy 4 u and imma let u finish but... teamliquid users overuse memes the most out of anyone OUT OF ANYONE --HotBid the greatest commentator OF ALL TIME. | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
On October 03 2009 14:20 selboN wrote: If you want to here someone talk a lot, watch Husky. He's entertaining, depends how much depth you want.. He's probably only a C-ish player. Yeah I'm around a C- player. If you're looking for someone who does a lot of content, as far as I know, my channel and Cholera's upload amongst the most. If you want retardedly in-depth analysis, listen to anything ever made by Day[9] If you want someone who completely freaks out and gets himself lost in the world of SC, watch Klazart. There are TONS of English commentators out there. Whats awesome about it is they all bring something different to the table. Just gotta pick and choose which ones you like the most. People who are good at SC/appreciate complex game analysis will pick the most common names mentioned here. People who just enjoy watching the game for entertainment value have much more to choose from. | ||
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MasterReY
Germany2708 Posts
They upload videos consistently and are the best commentators currently imho. youtube accs: cholerasc diggitysc | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
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Kenny
United States678 Posts
On October 05 2009 20:36 Zato-1 wrote: Man, I remember Chill's commentary from the SC2GG commentator idol. I freakin' loved it. Agreed that was an awesome week | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On October 05 2009 20:36 Zato-1 wrote: Man, I remember Chill's commentary from the SC2GG commentator idol. I freakin' loved it. any link? ![[image loading]](http://www.projectwonderful.com/img/uploads/pics/16996-1254737848.png) | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
Day[9] is also good, but I haven't heard much of his stuff except for the Chill vs Combat-ex one. | ||
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Blyf
Denmark408 Posts
No use of extensive game knowledge if you can't present it well. Husky holds my attention and is decent as far as analysis goes. Keep going strong! | ||
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On October 03 2009 14:11 nebffa wrote: After seeing the Klazart thread and people saying that there are commentators with much better insight, I'm wondering who these are. I used to think Tasteless was really good but after watching a lot of GOM with him and SDM I realise they simply talk a lot about non-game related stuff and don't do that much analysis. So I'm interested to watch some GOOD starcraft commentating that actually talks really indepth about what's going on in the game. Please help! Yeah I think that Tasteless was cool at first. Nowadays I don't even bother watching the english GOM games because they are so boring. No analysis, nothing. Just SDM talking about whatever and Tasteless pointing out what's happening in the game. Also he always mixes players up. Of course I like that fact that we have english commentators for Starcraft, but I really don't think Tasteless is that good in GOM. Maybe he needs to be on a stage more, like at WCG for instance, he is better there imo. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6638 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
)But if you want to expand topic and talk about other commentators and their pros, then: - If you want to have fun listening to commentaries and not care about too much analysis - Tasteless is your pick - If you want lots of talking, no matter what is the topic you can either: piss your girlfriend or pick other commentators. Still i prefer to watch VODs with my buddies in that case, cause i see no reason to listen to somebody unless: a) i'm watching with him/them b) i want insight c) i want fun Simply listening to lots of talk is worse than hearing all the riboriboribo, playgu and gee geee Plus i agree about Gretorp's self-commentaries being huge. Still i'm happy that he is mostly playing, b/c this allows us to see results | ||
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Gretorp
United States586 Posts
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On October 05 2009 16:23 Hot_Bid wrote: Day casting the OSL finals at Blizzcon was spectacular. He's really really good at describing gameflow and giving analysis of Zerg games, it was really great to have him there. i overwhelmingly agree he has such a vast knowledge of the game, that it's almost poetic. i dont think anyone i've ever listened to has even come close in terms of in depth knowledge of the game. everyone has their "strategy" theories. but Day9 just, gah, has this unbelievable knowledge. he called jaedong's 10 hatch before it even happened based on the inverted ramps for the map and his extractor trick timing. ever since that moment, he has been the epitome of commentating imo. bar none. also he has an asian girlfriend. GO NERDS | ||
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John49ers
United States237 Posts
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nofAcedAgent
United States952 Posts
But really why im posting is because I only saw Plexa mentioned once or twice(!) and while he doesnt commentate activley, I thought he was very good. And his acent is awesome. Much love and respect to anyone taking the their time to contribute to the community <3 | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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-StrifeX-
United States529 Posts
Artosis, Day[9], Tasteless. Chill is decent one to watch since he deals with forums and like B- i think, Don't think he's as active as he was in the past though unless he is sneaking games . IMO anyone below B- or not close to it can be leading you towards incorrect information if your looking towards trying improve and focus on the wrong areas. | ||
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Ideas
United States8125 Posts
But really IMO english commentary in general is pretty overrated. I just sorta prefer korean just because it can be really funny sometimes. I don't like most english commentary because I feel like I'm just being told what I already know most of the time or something slightly wrong. | ||
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NukeTheStars
United States277 Posts
My approach to english commentary has always been just a way to watch a game with someone else. It's ok to watch a sport on TV by yourself, but it's a lot more fun to hear someone else talking with you about the game, even if you can't respond. Since pro Starcraft is such a niche kind of entertainment, it's hard to get 2 people in the same room who like it. I think that's where English commentary really shines, especially with dual or triple commentaries. It feels like you're experiencing the game with other guys. | ||
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SwEEt[TearS]
Canada1575 Posts
I still like Husky, Artosis, Day[9] and Chill but I'd say maybe 5% of the SC I watch is commentated t_t | ||
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FoBuLouS
United States570 Posts
ex. AND THE REAVER TAKES OUT 13 DRONES! vs. REAVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!~~~~~~ WAHHHHHHHHHHHH | ||
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Cube
Canada777 Posts
... i was told i had a sexy voice once... | ||
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Ignorant prodigy
United States385 Posts
On October 07 2009 14:02 FoBuLouS wrote: This makes me wonder, are there any english commentators that commentate in the style of korean commentators? i.e not as much analyzing but like excited retelling of what's happening at the moment. ex. AND THE REAVER TAKES OUT 13 DRONES! vs. REAVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!~~~~~~ WAHHHHHHHHHHHH it's like watching other countries do soccer... 'gooooaaaaaaalllllll' I like Husky because he's comical and he somtimes he puts himself inside the unit's point of view. That's just entertaining. | ||
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Gretorp
United States586 Posts
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Chanted
Norway1001 Posts
On that note, does anyone know commentators who do foreigner games on a regular basis (english) ? | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
Among the YouTube commentators, Cholera is the only one I can stand: the rest don't seem to know very much about the game. Commentary aside, NukeTheStars does some pretty cool stuff with music and hype videos and that sort of thing. In terms of teams, I actually liked Artosis + Gentho better than any other team I've heard. Gentho's knowledge of the game was all right (Artosis's was better, of course), and their casting really flowed when they were together. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On October 07 2009 14:02 FoBuLouS wrote: This makes me wonder, are there any english commentators that commentate in the style of korean commentators? i.e not as much analyzing but like excited retelling of what's happening at the moment. ex. AND THE REAVER TAKES OUT 13 DRONES! vs. REAVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!~~~~~~ WAHHHHHHHHHHHH Dude, watch a VOD with subtitles and you'll see that Korean commentators do provide a great deal of analyzing. There's a good one between Iris and Jaedong on Python, go check it out. | ||
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GoAudio
Sweden400 Posts
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rockon1215
United States612 Posts
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
I watch everything those guys commentate. So entertaining and insightful i do enjoy the occasional Cholera commentary though, but its rare he does a game that I haven't seen anyway. I also got really tired of tasteless, and I always disliked moletrap to a maximum | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
On October 07 2009 14:02 FoBuLouS wrote: This makes me wonder, are there any english commentators that commentate in the style of korean commentators? i.e not as much analyzing but like excited retelling of what's happening at the moment. ex. AND THE REAVER TAKES OUT 13 DRONES! vs. REAVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!~~~~~~ WAHHHHHHHHHHHH hahahaha, I try to do this sometimes. Thats just kind of how my personality is i suppose (yelling and screaming ftw?) A couple important things to keep in mind about this: 1) Most commentators go solo. Yes, there are a lot of dual/triple commentaries out there, but I would say a majority of them are individual. Its kind of hard to just yell AHHHHH PLAGUUUUUUUU PLAGUUUUUU PSIONIC STORMUHHHHHHHHH when you're by yourself as theres no actual content to the commentaries. 2) English is not a language that flows really well with that kind of commentating. I mean look at English sports commentaries vs Spanish ones, when we yell GOAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL it just doesnt work as well. I think English is a better language for saying multiple things in a stoked tone of voice instead of just one. 3) A lot of people are shy  Thats just from my experience though and I am slowly trying to work stuff like that into my videos. Dunno if it works with English though... Edit: Reduced the 'though' count... | ||
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FusionCutter
Canada974 Posts
Klaz and Day[9] imo. | ||
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himurakenshin
Canada1845 Posts
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FoBuLouS
United States570 Posts
On October 08 2009 06:59 Holgerius wrote: Dude, watch a VOD with subtitles and you'll see that Korean commentators do provide a great deal of analyzing. There's a good one between Iris and Jaedong on Python, go check it out. Ok, maybe a balance then . I feel Cholera is close to getting to that point, but as Husky did say, Korean commentators do have 3 people cycling to talk so theres like always stuff to say. Now if only there were English versions of MBC commentators D: | ||
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Tom Phoenix
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onihunter
United States515 Posts
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Von
United States363 Posts
Without the commentators its not a spectator sport. They are equally as important as the players, to me. So mad props to anybody who thinks they know what they are doing enough to cover this sport in English for free. I have narrowed down the subscriptions I have on my YouTube account right now to only a few people that I follow on a daily basis, and they are more than enough. Surprisingly - cause based on responses I've read on here so far the board favors old school guys - my favorites are newer kids: HuskyStarcraft, HD Starcraft, DejaVu119 ... as well as on the older-skool tip SC2GGRise, and Klazart (now retired .. mad props! U were the man!) The new guys who are up and coming ... they have a lot of enthusiasm, knowledge of the game. AND they are consistently actually doing the commentaries week in and week out. So I am going to give them props and say why. About the old school guys: Tasteless / SuperDaniel - I know these guys are legends in the game... but my impression of them on GOM is that they (ironically) were among the most lazy last season. Not only did GOM commentaries have the game music going in the background of the cast on every game (after 10 years ... can you just turn it off? Please? lets hear unit sounds thx) ... but they were mainly kind of like "yah, whatever here we are - jokey jokey" and they were being paid for it. Honestly. Felt like they were hanging out eating ramen and cracking on the game. Wassup? The best casts were a few with Tasteless and Lil Suzie: yeah she had dorky comments but they were fun. And c'mon: she's hot. She also forced T to cover the game more because she couldn't lol. Artosis, Chill - obviously amazing players and good casters. Obviously favorites around here. But as commentators I dont find a consistent stream of VODS from them. Also, the knowledge of the game is sick (as top players) but imo the casting is more dry and not as fun. To me. Cholera - Obviously knows what he's doing but lately he seems lazy to me as well. A few games where I was like "c'mon dude, just say something relevant to the game" and then stopped watching. His jokes are often total facepalm material. I mean peeps can say what they want during casts, but when you are not really even covering the game at times .. whats the point. But he seems like a good guy, can really get into the game when he wants to a do a good job. Now, newer guys: HuskyStarcraft: This kid wins the award for coming out of nowhere last season, and covering more games out of the gate with ethusiasm, fun and energy. He covers the game fast (ala Klazart .. mmm maybe not so fast lol) and is also a crack up (ala Tasteless) IMO. He loves the game, keeps it moving, covers the scene and the game right at the start - then makes it exciting by striking a fine balance between sticking to the main point (the scene, the sport, the freaking game) ... and with personality ... spouting random funny shit that keeps it fun. Awesome. DejaVu119: This is another kid who gets right into the game, covers the players / teams / stats, background color stuff. Then covers the damn match with enthusiasm. There is energy, he's funny but the main thing with him is the energy level. Obviously loves the game and the scene and it shows in how he casts. His personality shines thru. HDStarcraft - Seems like a real cool kid who is also really enthusiastic about the game and the scene and keeps it exciting. I like the idea that he wants to start bringing the matches in HD. He is either a bit busier - or he is mainly waiting for SC2 beta to start so he can bring that in HD - but what I've heard so far he's another great new caster. | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6174 Posts
Best Commentary ever. | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
Tasteless hardly talks SC at all. He makes fun of pandabear guy and mixes players names up lol. Don't get me wrong though I like listening to him talking, but after all he doesn't really bring that much to the table SC-wise. All these random youtube commentators suck balls except for Diggity. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
Which commentators you want depends on whether you want play-by-play + excitement, or actual insight on the situation. | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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coconutman
United Kingdom26 Posts
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EscPlan9
United States2777 Posts
Cholera/Moletrap/Diggity are all on about the same level to me. They have their pros and cons. I still enjoy listening to them, but there's generally better ones out there. Day9 makes the most insightful and technical commentaries, but it ruins the flow of the games IMO. It no longer is really like watching a game with commentary, it's like a deconstruction of the game and pausing at various parts to point out all that's going on. So it's interesting in its own way. Klazart I know he doesn't commentate anymore, but I loved listening to his commentaries because of his Words Per Minute (WPM) and excitement. | ||
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onmach
United States1241 Posts
Diggity is by far my favorite standard commentator. He does good quality videos, doesn't talk too much about non SC related stuff, has a good voice, has a pretty good grasp of strategy, better than mine anyhow. Cholera is second favorite, because when he does well he does well. He is about as close as foreigners get to the "excited" korean commentators. His humor is hard to get, and I don't like it when he bags on players (like hyuk, who never deserved it). But since he has toned that down a bit lately he's always worth tuning in for. I like husky and rise about the same. Husky has a severe lack of game knowledge, but he's enthusiastic. Rise is also lacking in expertise, but he's been improving a lot lately and he has a good attitude. Moletrap, sorry I just don't usually view his vids anymore because he uses them like a blog. Sometimes he'll literally be 10 minutes into a game, missing harassments before he starts paying attention. He works really well in dual commentaries with rise when he is forced to actually commentate on the game at hand. Tasteless, I like him, but it seemed like in the last couple seasons of gom he was completely outclassed knowledge wise by SDM. He would barely even contribute the slightest bit to the cast. He is a good speaker, and he is funny, and I think he can and has done better in the past. | ||
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PewptyPewptyPewpty
United States26 Posts
Ret did a wonderful job chiming in with spot-on analysis when he was casting Liquibition with Plexa. Plexa has no game sense, but whenever there was any action in the game at all he would get so excited that he ended up gasping for air and becoming incoherent. I found that very endearing. They complimented each other quite nicely and are a very underrated team. Day[9] is insincere and overbearing. Instant mute. Artosis is pretty solid now that his cadence is under control and no longer obscene. Tasteless and SDM get a bit of a pass from me in terms of nitpicky stuff that annoys me because of how much exposure they have, but that doesn't excuse their surprisingly poor game sense. Overall, they are still better than most, but that isn't saying much. Also, Hot_Bid was terrible on Teamliquid Attack. Really bad. In short, if Chill and Ret could just do me a small favor and cast everything that ever happens in Starcraft, I would be happy. | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On November 14 2009 04:39 jpak wrote: good thing i can actually understand what the korean commentators are saying and not worry about english commentators. Good thing you're contributing to the thread. On a less tongue in cheek note, Tasteless's depth of commentary improves when he's around other more in-depth commentators, specifically Artosis. | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
I like nuke a lot to, he does amazing videos and his commentaries are very enjoyable too | ||
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Kenny
United States678 Posts
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Spanxxx
United States408 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
he is awesome!!! | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On November 14 2009 06:04 lone_hydra wrote: No love for nukethestars T_T.... he is awesome!!! agreed. I've also really been enjoying Day[9]'s casts despite all the pausing, he really breaks down the game to a much deeper level than anyone else, and that includes Tasteless and Artosis. | ||
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
On October 03 2009 14:25 251 wrote: Day[9] is the best. If he made commentary vods, I wouldn't watch anything else Yes, agree 100% He's hillarious, and knows starcraft. | ||
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4337 Posts
On November 14 2009 05:24 Kenny wrote: Brent aka Psyonic Reaver duh =] Gonna have to say Kenny is amazin. I love Tasteless/Artosis combo. Diggity is another one I like to listen to and Moletrap if he covers matches that aren't done by others. I like Day[9] if he is in "serious" caster mode and not "bear semen" mode. Klazart was the first youtube caster I heard though. Tasteless was the first live English caster. | ||
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Corrupt
Bulgaria1312 Posts
Only if you rely on getting tons of information .. yep that guy is amazing. Gotta like them short "breaks" he does, you can assimilate all the billions of stuff he says. Altho, two or more korean commentators yelling together are far more superior entertainment! I believe I'm starting to understand them.. :O | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2748 Posts
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ThePhan2m
Norway2750 Posts
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Captain Mayhem
Sweden774 Posts
Commentating however is more to entertain the viewer. To get him excited, bite on his finger nails and jump in his chair, or to give him a good laugh. That sort of stuff. Sure, giving a good estimation of what might happen could be good, but it's more supposed to be guesses rather than facts, so that the suspense is still there for the viewer. I don't watch soccer games to learn how to play better, I watch because it's fun. And for the same reason, I like watching most amateur commentators. They bring the suspense that we can't get from the Korean commentators. I like DAy[9] and his daily cast as well, but I watch that to learn. The only *commentary* he has ever done, as far as I know, is the one of Chill vs Combat-Ex, and THAT was really fucking entertaining. Hope I made at least some sense. | ||
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noob4ever
Denmark59 Posts
SC2GG commentators Edit Sweet, some WCG with Artosis and Tasteless are out: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=105582 I wish Day would make some VODS, I went to his channel once, where nothing happend. I liked the one he did with Cholera (good luck finding that VOD @ Cholera ) | ||
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horang3
United States261 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
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Sharp-eYe
Canada642 Posts
On November 14 2009 10:05 ArvickHero wrote: Day9 is the best commentator without a doubt. Most knowledgeable, most entertaining, and the best voice. For those of you who don't know, he casted the Nostalgia Tournament and it was fucking art true. Tasteless seems to repeat alot of information over and over again. I dont look forward to them much anymore (except somehow he manages to make Blizzcon/WCG fantastic) | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
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EverydayStruggle
United States77 Posts
There, I said it. | ||
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Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
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