EPTAttitudes toward cheaters - Page 5
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eborp
United States266 Posts
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On August 31 2009 12:48 travis wrote: Because they find it fun to win? And no, it doesn't ruin the game for the opponent. (though it can sometimes be annoying) A good player will beat a worse maphacker most of the time anyways. Especially at higher levels. Being hacked against ruins the game for me. Argument invalid. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
Btw, Testie hacked? I did not know that, is it true or what? | ||
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SkepTicAL
Canada872 Posts
On August 31 2009 12:42 FuDDx wrote: I think any pr oven hacker should be allowed to continue to post and visit just give them a big HACKER sign next to their name. When they prove themselves worthy then they may go through a voting process to get it removed. I do not approve of hacking/cheating/abuse of any kind. If anyone "needed" to hack it would be me with 11 years of playing and still a solid 8 0 apm. I really dislike dishonesty in a game Ive loved for years, let alone in any sport/game it just seems silly to me. But then agian I dont and never will hack. A proven hacker learned the game through looking at your base at all times. Hackers are as good as the legit people through a faster route, which imo is bullshit. | ||
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Duke
United States1106 Posts
On August 31 2009 12:34 travis wrote: he should be being made fun of for being pathetic. It's not like he is new here, he kind of has a history. He isn't just "another player", he's clazziqual from tl.net for the most part I agree with this, but the whole "for fun" spiel is laughable. ruining someone else's fun is not fun at all, it's selfish | ||
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IceCube
Croatia1403 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On August 31 2009 12:59 lazz wrote: i see what you're trying to say, that in random games the opponent of the hacker probably won't even know that their opponent is hacking,ignorance is bliss sort of thing. I don't agree with it though, hacking or having an advantage over your opponent in any way shouldn't be tolerated. it just ruins the integrity of the game plain and simple. plus it stunts the non-hacker from improving their game because they lose due to something inexplicable (opponent being able to see the entire map) Well i definitely agree that hacking shouldn't be tolerated. What I don't agree with is the approach. It just seems to me that hackers will still hack, and just be as careful as possible. And then, once banned, they will probably keep hacking because they are banned and who cares. This is why I think ostracizing and humiliating them is a much better approach. Motivation to actually improve theirselves. On August 31 2009 13:00 PanN wrote: Being hacked against ruins the game for me. Argument invalid. I wonder how often you were hacked against and you didn't realize :-) Or how many times you thought you were hacked against but actually were not. On August 31 2009 13:07 PrideNeverDies wrote: a hacker ruins the game for himself. that is the worst crime of all. friends don't let friends hack. completely agree | ||
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EGLzGaMeR
United States1867 Posts
 also think of the ladders going (asl valor ect) on that retarded hackers beat them becasue they cheat.. if we allow ppl to get away with this.. what stops more from joining the darkside.. if ppl want to hack, go east and dont dare get involved with anything important. | ||
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PrideNeverDies
Kazakhstan74 Posts
On August 31 2009 12:48 travis wrote: Because they find it fun to win? And no, it doesn't ruin the game for the opponent. (though it can sometimes be annoying) A good player will beat a worse maphacker most of the time anyways. Especially at higher levels. a hacker ruins the game for himself. that is the worst crime of all. friends don't let friends hack. | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
iCCup is, first and foremost, a ladder system. If hacking takes place in melee (non-ranked, non-tournament "just for fun" matches), then it is between the hacker and the opponent only. But when hacking takes place in any ladder or non-ranking tournament match, the punishment should be universal and severe. Why? Because in a competitive game, the thing that matters most is balance and a level playing field. Hacking undermines the very nature of competitive play and therefore has no place in it. | ||
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Doso
Germany769 Posts
On August 31 2009 11:29 Manifesto7 wrote: To start, how would you rate these offenses?
I am admin for the ESL Pro Series, Warcraft 3 though. In normal ladders this would be something like this: 1. Ban, 2 Years. 2. 3-6 Penalty Points. Ban 4 weeks to 3 months 3. Observer cheating: see 1. 4. Depends on the glitch. Usally freewin for the opponent, can be awarded with further penalties. 2 Year bans can be reduced to 6 months if some conditions are met - basicly spending some money, admiting it and doing some homework in the form of a 2000 word article. | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
Ladder abuse, and observer cheating in tournament are just simply wrong. Map hack is 3rd because of the ladder abuse being in priority. If map hack was used to abuse ladder then it's the same rule as the first two. However don't see it wrong being used 1 or 2 times for fun or training purpose. I already talked about it 10000 times in the past so i won't bother explain again why you shouldn't ban 100% of the map hackers. | ||
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Nazzick
United States96 Posts
On August 31 2009 13:15 RaiZ wrote: I rated program / map hacking as 3rd, last would go for glitches since almost nobody uses it anyway and even so it's not really game breaking (read not hydra stack) Ladder abuse, and observer cheating in tournament are just simply wrong. Map hack is 3rd because of the ladder abuse being in priority. If map hack was used to abuse ladder then it's the same rule as the first two. However don't see it wrong being used 1 or 2 times for fun or training purpose. I already talked about it 10000 times in the past so i won't bother explain again why you shouldn't ban 100% of the map hackers. Don't u think hacking in general is a form of ladder abuse? | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
On August 31 2009 13:06 travis wrote: I wonder how often you were hacked against and you didn't realize :-) Or how many times you thought you were hacked against but actually were not. And what exactly does that prove? That some hackers are so subtle that they can win without alarming an inexperienced opponent? And that hacking is so prevalent that many people are now paranoid? Does that make hacking any less of a problem? Stop trying to be clever. | ||
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-fj.
Samoa462 Posts
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Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
I'm not saying that we shouldn't give him a second chance, he will get one and he deserves a second chance, but not now and not in 90 days, he has been perm banned because 90 days is max, the mods can undo the perma ban any time they want. Someone mentioned a year as a good starting point, I agree. The thing that really boils my blood is that he hacked in a community tournament that he organised...geez | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
On August 31 2009 13:18 Nazzick wrote: Don't u think hacking in general is a form of ladder abuse? Obviously it is. What i want to say is that there are players who use map hack only for training purpose. I even remember progamers/semi-pro using it for timings purposes. But don't get me wrong, just because progamers uses it doesn't mean that you have to. For example, using map hack in an iccup game but when you think he's about to type gg, you leave yourself, this way it's not a ladder abuse but rather a training game. Banning map hacker for 2 years with no reasons is just plain retarded. On August 31 2009 13:29 -fj. wrote: I just think that stop lurker and allied mines should have the same legality status, whether legal or illegal. I'd rather make hold lurkers illegal, otherwise that'd just make mines overpowered especially in tvp. | ||
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Nazzick
United States96 Posts
On August 31 2009 13:29 -fj. wrote: I just think that stop lurker and allied mines should have the same legality status, whether legal or illegal. Stop lurkers is not messing with the game settings and allied mines is. | ||
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MooCow
1434 Posts
On August 31 2009 12:54 Kennigit wrote: Travis just stop... Thank you! I can't believe half of what Travis was saying... I don't think someone that has been a contributing member of TL( clazz ) be perma banned but he should be banned for a decent period and be given a tag/icon for being a known hacker. Hacking in a tourney that he himself helped organize is really low. Map hacking / program hacking should really deserve a severely long ban or permaban, map hacking really ruins everyones fun imo. Ladder abuse by free wins I don't see as a huge deal since it mainly affects the person doing it alone. Observer cheating same as map hacking, cheating is cheating. | ||
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Myxomatosis
United States2392 Posts
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