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Triple7
Profile Joined April 2009
United States656 Posts
August 31 2009 23:30 GMT
#221
This thread made me change my opinion. For those who hacked to "see what it was like", curiosity killed the cat; the cat did not get a second chance. Any type of cheating should result in a permanent ban.
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yarders
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom194 Posts
August 31 2009 23:41 GMT
#222
Any type of cheating should result in a mandatory ban
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
August 31 2009 23:43 GMT
#223
On September 01 2009 08:41 yarders wrote:
Any type of cheating should result in a mandatory ban


This, no 2nd chance.
IceCube
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Croatia1403 Posts
August 31 2009 23:57 GMT
#224
On September 01 2009 06:42 Kennigit wrote:
I think putting a finite time limit on a ban for hacking (at least in the community sense) is a big mistake. Hacking should be make so inexcusable that no one would dare risk it, lest they meet the same fate as "good" people before them. Let this be a lesson - if you hack, we will find you and destroy you.

Tottaly support this. Like I stated in my previous post. Thank sweet Jesus that TL admins share my & many other (non-cheating ppls) point of view! Well said!
Forever Vulture.. :(
KaRnaGe[cF]
Profile Joined September 2007
United States355 Posts
September 01 2009 00:22 GMT
#225
I think that a 1 - 2 year ban is too long in a gaming community. These guys obviously care a lot about the game and being banned form ICCUP + the # 1 gaming website in the world for any amount of time at all has to truly be heartbreaking. I can't really see these guys sticking around the e-sport scene for more than a year without involvement in this community or on ICCUP. I think that a 60 or 90 day ban for first time offenders is more in the way of fairness and maybe would serve as a "punishment" rather than an "exile".

Besides their ban their reputation will most certainly be tainted in this forum as long as they are around. And lest anyone forget that in the past they have been proven to be a hacker i think they should have their very own avatar Hester Prynne style .

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"We must remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best who is trained in the severest school." - Athenian General Thucydides Quantum Gaming
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
September 01 2009 00:26 GMT
#226
On September 01 2009 09:22 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote:
I think that a 1 - 2 year ban is too long in a gaming community. These guys obviously care a lot about the game


Which guys? The ones who cheat?
KaRnaGe[cF]
Profile Joined September 2007
United States355 Posts
September 01 2009 00:33 GMT
#227
On September 01 2009 09:26 jtype wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2009 09:22 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote:
I think that a 1 - 2 year ban is too long in a gaming community. These guys obviously care a lot about the game


Which guys? The ones who cheat?


Most. I think that mostly anyone who still plays SC and frequents TL or any other SC site cares.
"We must remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best who is trained in the severest school." - Athenian General Thucydides Quantum Gaming
Clasic
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
September 01 2009 00:35 GMT
#228
On September 01 2009 09:22 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote:
I think that a 1 - 2 year ban is too long in a gaming community. These guys obviously care a lot about the game and being banned form ICCUP + the # 1 gaming website in the world for any amount of time at all has to truly be heartbreaking. I can't really see these guys sticking around the e-sport scene for more than a year without involvement in this community or on ICCUP. I think that a 60 or 90 day ban for first time offenders is more in the way of fairness and maybe would serve as a "punishment" rather than an "exile".

Besides their ban their reputation will most certainly be tainted in this forum as long as they are around. And lest anyone forget that in the past they have been proven to be a hacker i think they should have their very own avatar Hester Prynne style .

[image loading]


Hm, I agree actually.
No no no no its not mine!
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6228 Posts
September 01 2009 00:58 GMT
#229
On September 01 2009 09:22 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote:
I think that a 1 - 2 year ban is too long in a gaming community. These guys obviously care a lot about the game and being banned form ICCUP + the # 1 gaming website in the world for any amount of time at all has to truly be heartbreaking. I can't really see these guys sticking around the e-sport scene for more than a year without involvement in this community or on ICCUP. I think that a 60 or 90 day ban for first time offenders is more in the way of fairness and maybe would serve as a "punishment" rather than an "exile".

Besides their ban their reputation will most certainly be tainted in this forum as long as they are around. And lest anyone forget that in the past they have been proven to be a hacker i think they should have their very own avatar Hester Prynne style .

[image loading]


I highly disagree when you assert that hackers care about this community, how the game is perceived, or it's longevity or legitimacy as an e-sport.

If they don't like the terms they shouldn't abuse the game and most of all, they shouldn't abuse the rest of us, the community that might have had to play unfair games after we gave them the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. They had their chance, and good riddance.
good vibes only
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
September 01 2009 01:01 GMT
#230
On August 31 2009 11:29 Manifesto7 wrote:
To start, how would you rate these offenses?
  • Map hacking / program hacking (multi command, disc, etc)
  • Ladder abuse by free wins
  • Observer cheating
  • Using illegal in game glitches (things that corrupt replays, are banned in torunaments, etc)


Are they the same? Are they different?


I haven't read the rest of the thread so I'm posting this in the dark.

Hacking: depends on who you're hacking against. Hacking in a competitive environment, especially a tournament/clanwar, or against your friends is definitely gaming's equivalent of murder. Hacking against randoms on b.net is more like manslaughter - you still deserve to be punished, but you can be redeemed. Hacking against your friends makes you a grade A asshole.

Ladder abuse: petty crime. Abusers deserve more ridicule than punishment, unless the abuse was done to secure a spot in a tournament. Getting free wins for the sole purpose of increasing your iccup rank is a victimless crime imo.

Obs cheating: similar to hacking in that context is important. Obs cheating in a tournament would be a major scandal, whereas cheating in a friendly game is just a dick move that will probably ensure no one ever lets you obs again.

Glitches: really depends on what the glitch is. Obs over turret isn't bad, but stacking workers and abusing the waypoint bug is. If the glitch rises to the level of a hack (like drone canceling), it should be treated as hacking; if it doesn't have much impact on the game, it's worth a warning unless done repeatedly.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
September 01 2009 01:06 GMT
#231
On September 01 2009 09:33 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2009 09:26 jtype wrote:
On September 01 2009 09:22 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote:
I think that a 1 - 2 year ban is too long in a gaming community. These guys obviously care a lot about the game


Which guys? The ones who cheat?


Most. I think that mostly anyone who still plays SC and frequents TL or any other SC site cares.


Well, if they're cheating or hacking, then they obviously care less about the game and more about winning.
KaRnaGe[cF]
Profile Joined September 2007
United States355 Posts
September 01 2009 01:42 GMT
#232
On September 01 2009 10:06 jtype wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2009 09:33 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote:
On September 01 2009 09:26 jtype wrote:
On September 01 2009 09:22 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote:
I think that a 1 - 2 year ban is too long in a gaming community. These guys obviously care a lot about the game


Which guys? The ones who cheat?


Most. I think that mostly anyone who still plays SC and frequents TL or any other SC site cares.


Well, if they're cheating or hacking, then they obviously care less about the game and more about winning.


True man. Thats why the situation sucks. Some people do care and still do mindless shit. Play with fire and you get burned i guess. There is no way i could consider hacking i care too much about the game, the competitiveness, and the time and effort everyone puts into it. Maybe im just too soft on people because i know how much i would hate being banned
"We must remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best who is trained in the severest school." - Athenian General Thucydides Quantum Gaming
Picture
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada75 Posts
September 01 2009 02:45 GMT
#233
I think MH and Obs help are the worst. When you lose to these people who you know are worse than you it's really hard not to get demotivated. And to make things worse it's almost impossible to really find out whether they did it or not.

I don't get the obsession with free wins. Who cares if you're A but still lose to D? And the in game bugs you can easily get caught for anyways. (I think?)
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
September 01 2009 02:51 GMT
#234
K here are my thoughts on this

Hacking: Permanent ban. No questions asked once a hacker always a hacker. Because we know once you start winning vs betters players with hacks then you need to start using them(spades etc)

Ladder abuse: Yeah this is deserving of a season ban or something because it takes away from this who actually play to get the rank.

Obs cheating: Never let them obs another important game atleast again. Friendlies who gives a fuck money isnt ont he line or anything.

Glitches: Depends on if they do it repeatidly to gain an advantage or if it happens by accident(its happened to us all before) if they do it alot then they should get banned for it.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
September 01 2009 03:17 GMT
#235
I'm surpised at all the responses in favor of a 90 day. I'm all for a flat out ban for cheating, with the possibility of working one's way back. But I'm thinking in terms of year(s), not 90 days. That's way too short.
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
September 01 2009 03:29 GMT
#236
On September 01 2009 01:15 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:

No Tolerance. Period. It's the only way to stop hacking and prevent other weak willed souls from "following the crowd." Hackers can be forgiven over time. Look at Testie. He has done a great job of redeeming himself and providing the community with respectable posts. It took time, but it happened. Look at KawaiiRice. Last year EVERYBODY hated him for what he did but now he's an acceptable poster again. Like I said. The public will eventually forgive and forget but only if said hacker starts working toward redeeming himself.


The idea of zero tolerance co-existing with long-term forgiveness seems both hypocritical and vague to me. Can somebody elaborate for instance what Testie and KawaiiRice did to get their permabans removed? (assuming they were permabanned.)
MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-01 04:01:32
September 01 2009 03:59 GMT
#237
I can't believe I'm saying this... how about hacking in UMS games that aren't tourney related?

(And that's it, no melee hacking)

I'm so dead for posting this...

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If I get banned it better not be from a Protoss user haha
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
September 01 2009 05:42 GMT
#238
since this is partially related to clazz, i'll ask about it here.

he probably wont be allowed to play in any more TL related tournaments. but what about events in real life like blizzcon? would you allow him in to the party? what about LANs? some people know him personally and they say that he's a pretty nice guy. so what's the opinion on that?
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
September 02 2009 13:28 GMT
#239
On September 01 2009 14:42 29 fps wrote:
since this is partially related to clazz, i'll ask about it here.

he probably wont be allowed to play in any more TL related tournaments. but what about events in real life like blizzcon? would you allow him in to the party? what about LANs? some people know him personally and they say that he's a pretty nice guy. so what's the opinion on that?

I think that him being banned from TL should not impede any personal real life encounters with him, be they TL or SC related. He did nothing to hurt TL - only his own reputation. Hence, I don't see why him coming to a TL party or meet-up is an issue. I don't see him hacking in the future either way. He's good in my books, I'm definitely meeting up with him soon.
Peace~
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
September 02 2009 13:44 GMT
#240
On September 01 2009 06:42 Kennigit wrote:
I think putting a finite time limit on a ban for hacking (at least in the community sense) is a big mistake. Hacking should be make so inexcusable that no one would dare risk it, lest they meet the same fate as "good" people before them. Let this be a lesson - if you hack, we will find you and destroy you.


I agree with this. Hacking isn't innocent, it destroys the competetive aspect of BW and therefor sucks for Esports and competetive gaming.
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
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