EPTAttitudes toward cheaters - Page 12
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Triple7
United States656 Posts
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yarders
United Kingdom194 Posts
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thOr6136
Slovenia1775 Posts
On September 01 2009 08:41 yarders wrote: Any type of cheating should result in a mandatory ban This, no 2nd chance. | ||
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IceCube
Croatia1403 Posts
On September 01 2009 06:42 Kennigit wrote: I think putting a finite time limit on a ban for hacking (at least in the community sense) is a big mistake. Hacking should be make so inexcusable that no one would dare risk it, lest they meet the same fate as "good" people before them. Let this be a lesson - if you hack, we will find you and destroy you. Tottaly support this. Like I stated in my previous post. Thank sweet Jesus that TL admins share my & many other (non-cheating ppls) point of view! Well said! | ||
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KaRnaGe[cF]
United States355 Posts
Besides their ban their reputation will most certainly be tainted in this forum as long as they are around. And lest anyone forget that in the past they have been proven to be a hacker i think they should have their very own avatar Hester Prynne style . | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
On September 01 2009 09:22 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote: I think that a 1 - 2 year ban is too long in a gaming community. These guys obviously care a lot about the game Which guys? The ones who cheat? | ||
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KaRnaGe[cF]
United States355 Posts
Most. I think that mostly anyone who still plays SC and frequents TL or any other SC site cares. | ||
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Clasic
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
On September 01 2009 09:22 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote: I think that a 1 - 2 year ban is too long in a gaming community. These guys obviously care a lot about the game and being banned form ICCUP + the # 1 gaming website in the world for any amount of time at all has to truly be heartbreaking. I can't really see these guys sticking around the e-sport scene for more than a year without involvement in this community or on ICCUP. I think that a 60 or 90 day ban for first time offenders is more in the way of fairness and maybe would serve as a "punishment" rather than an "exile". Besides their ban their reputation will most certainly be tainted in this forum as long as they are around. And lest anyone forget that in the past they have been proven to be a hacker i think they should have their very own avatar Hester Prynne style . Hm, I agree actually. | ||
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
On September 01 2009 09:22 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote: I think that a 1 - 2 year ban is too long in a gaming community. These guys obviously care a lot about the game and being banned form ICCUP + the # 1 gaming website in the world for any amount of time at all has to truly be heartbreaking. I can't really see these guys sticking around the e-sport scene for more than a year without involvement in this community or on ICCUP. I think that a 60 or 90 day ban for first time offenders is more in the way of fairness and maybe would serve as a "punishment" rather than an "exile". Besides their ban their reputation will most certainly be tainted in this forum as long as they are around. And lest anyone forget that in the past they have been proven to be a hacker i think they should have their very own avatar Hester Prynne style . I highly disagree when you assert that hackers care about this community, how the game is perceived, or it's longevity or legitimacy as an e-sport. If they don't like the terms they shouldn't abuse the game and most of all, they shouldn't abuse the rest of us, the community that might have had to play unfair games after we gave them the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. They had their chance, and good riddance. | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
On August 31 2009 11:29 Manifesto7 wrote: To start, how would you rate these offenses?
Are they the same? Are they different? I haven't read the rest of the thread so I'm posting this in the dark. Hacking: depends on who you're hacking against. Hacking in a competitive environment, especially a tournament/clanwar, or against your friends is definitely gaming's equivalent of murder. Hacking against randoms on b.net is more like manslaughter - you still deserve to be punished, but you can be redeemed. Hacking against your friends makes you a grade A asshole. Ladder abuse: petty crime. Abusers deserve more ridicule than punishment, unless the abuse was done to secure a spot in a tournament. Getting free wins for the sole purpose of increasing your iccup rank is a victimless crime imo. Obs cheating: similar to hacking in that context is important. Obs cheating in a tournament would be a major scandal, whereas cheating in a friendly game is just a dick move that will probably ensure no one ever lets you obs again. Glitches: really depends on what the glitch is. Obs over turret isn't bad, but stacking workers and abusing the waypoint bug is. If the glitch rises to the level of a hack (like drone canceling), it should be treated as hacking; if it doesn't have much impact on the game, it's worth a warning unless done repeatedly. | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
On September 01 2009 09:33 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote: Most. I think that mostly anyone who still plays SC and frequents TL or any other SC site cares. Well, if they're cheating or hacking, then they obviously care less about the game and more about winning. | ||
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KaRnaGe[cF]
United States355 Posts
On September 01 2009 10:06 jtype wrote: Well, if they're cheating or hacking, then they obviously care less about the game and more about winning. True man. Thats why the situation sucks. Some people do care and still do mindless shit. Play with fire and you get burned i guess. There is no way i could consider hacking i care too much about the game, the competitiveness, and the time and effort everyone puts into it. Maybe im just too soft on people because i know how much i would hate being banned  | ||
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Picture
Canada75 Posts
I don't get the obsession with free wins. Who cares if you're A but still lose to D? And the in game bugs you can easily get caught for anyways. (I think?) | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
Hacking: Permanent ban. No questions asked once a hacker always a hacker. Because we know once you start winning vs betters players with hacks then you need to start using them(spades etc) Ladder abuse: Yeah this is deserving of a season ban or something because it takes away from this who actually play to get the rank. Obs cheating: Never let them obs another important game atleast again. Friendlies who gives a fuck money isnt ont he line or anything. Glitches: Depends on if they do it repeatidly to gain an advantage or if it happens by accident(its happened to us all before) if they do it alot then they should get banned for it. | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
On September 01 2009 01:15 Psyonic_Reaver wrote: No Tolerance. Period. It's the only way to stop hacking and prevent other weak willed souls from "following the crowd." Hackers can be forgiven over time. Look at Testie. He has done a great job of redeeming himself and providing the community with respectable posts. It took time, but it happened. Look at KawaiiRice. Last year EVERYBODY hated him for what he did but now he's an acceptable poster again. Like I said. The public will eventually forgive and forget but only if said hacker starts working toward redeeming himself. The idea of zero tolerance co-existing with long-term forgiveness seems both hypocritical and vague to me. Can somebody elaborate for instance what Testie and KawaiiRice did to get their permabans removed? (assuming they were permabanned.) | ||
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MorningMusume11
United States3490 Posts
(And that's it, no melee hacking) I'm so dead for posting this... + Show Spoiler + If I get banned it better not be from a Protoss user haha | ||
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
he probably wont be allowed to play in any more TL related tournaments. but what about events in real life like blizzcon? would you allow him in to the party? what about LANs? some people know him personally and they say that he's a pretty nice guy. so what's the opinion on that? | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On September 01 2009 14:42 29 fps wrote: since this is partially related to clazz, i'll ask about it here. he probably wont be allowed to play in any more TL related tournaments. but what about events in real life like blizzcon? would you allow him in to the party? what about LANs? some people know him personally and they say that he's a pretty nice guy. so what's the opinion on that? I think that him being banned from TL should not impede any personal real life encounters with him, be they TL or SC related. He did nothing to hurt TL - only his own reputation. Hence, I don't see why him coming to a TL party or meet-up is an issue. I don't see him hacking in the future either way. He's good in my books, I'm definitely meeting up with him soon. | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On September 01 2009 06:42 Kennigit wrote: I think putting a finite time limit on a ban for hacking (at least in the community sense) is a big mistake. Hacking should be make so inexcusable that no one would dare risk it, lest they meet the same fate as "good" people before them. Let this be a lesson - if you hack, we will find you and destroy you. I agree with this. Hacking isn't innocent, it destroys the competetive aspect of BW and therefor sucks for Esports and competetive gaming. | ||
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