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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4222 Posts
September 02 2009 13:52 GMT
#241
Everyone seems to agree that a ban is necessary for a hacker.

Some people believe a lengthy ban will suffice as a first warning - their reputation will be tarnished from being caught. Others believe that an outright ban is necessary.

Now, there are two sides to this story. By having outright bans, you discourage hacking from happening. On the other hand, you can completely exile prominent members of TL if they are the ones caught.

There is no way to win in this situation. Either way has downsides.

Personally, I am a believer in second chances, and there are no second chances in exile.....
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Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-02 14:41:28
September 02 2009 14:40 GMT
#242
On September 02 2009 22:52 lMPERVlOUS wrote:
Everyone seems to agree that a ban is necessary for a hacker.

Some people believe a lengthy ban will suffice as a first warning - their reputation will be tarnished from being caught. Others believe that an outright ban is necessary.

Now, there are two sides to this story. By having outright bans, you discourage hacking from happening. On the other hand, you can completely exile prominent members of TL if they are the ones caught.

There is no way to win in this situation. Either way has downsides.

Personally, I am a believer in second chances, and there are no second chances in exile.....


Well, if they hack I don't think they are that prominent no matter how or what they post. Status shouldn't save you from something we all hate; hacking.

Like psyonic_reaver said, hackers know that they are doing something fucking stupid and yet they do it. There's really no excuses for it, but I do believe everyone deserves a second chance in this case. If you don't hack 2 years later your cool.
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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4222 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-02 17:10:36
September 02 2009 17:05 GMT
#243
On September 02 2009 23:40 Foucault wrote:
Well, if they hack I don't think they are that prominent no matter how or what they post. Status shouldn't save you from something we all hate; hacking.


No, status should not save you from hacking, however, if that person has contributed a lot to the community, and will likely contribute more, the whole community suffers from an outright ban, not just the hacker.

Also - technically, Chaoslauncher is a hack. I only use it when I am observing games though. Does that mean I am a hacker? I'm sure there are a lot of other people on this site that use it too. Does that mean all of those players are hackers?

So, if you use a Maphack when you are observing a game, does that mean you are a hacker? Surely ICCUP's new method would catch the hack, even though it is not used for gaming purposes.....

Most of the hacking tools out there were made for a purpose, however, they leave room for abuse. If I'm up against a friend, and he sucks at Starcraft, I wouldn't mind playing him when he uses auto-mine and multi-unit control -> it will lead to a more fair and fun game for both of us. Does this mean he would be a hacker?

Yes, it's nice to say "BAN THEM", but in reality, where exactly is the line drawn? And how severe is it?

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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4222 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-02 17:09:01
September 02 2009 17:08 GMT
#244
Double posted for some reason.....
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-02 17:18:31
September 02 2009 17:16 GMT
#245
I believe in terms of hacking, context matters nothing. If you maphack or abuse, it doesn't matter if its against some random noob on East or in the TSL Finals. You're a scumbag cheater for doing it. The ONLY justification for hacking is if you tell your opponent that you're doing it, whether for some testing or curiosity. If they still play with you after that, fine.

There is obviously a double standard when it comes to good players and forgiveness. However, I don't think its as simple as we think. The better players are clearly going to be the ones that want forgiveness more, as BW is a bigger part of their lives and they've invested more time in it. Unknown or bad players can simply create a new identity.

Obviously there are players who hack yet can be very good without hack. That's not the point. The point is the deception and corruption of the spirit of competitive gaming. If you play someone it doesn't matter if its for money or if its for fun, there's a trust inherent in it. If you break that trust you deserve to be punished. There's really no other crime in our community (I guess BM, but often that's very subjective). There's no subjectivity or interpretation about hacking/abusing. You either do it or you don't.
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-03 00:56:32
September 03 2009 00:49 GMT
#246
I think you guys are treating hackers too much like rapists or child molestors, instead of burglars or someone convicted of DUI :l Yes I know that you guys all love this game to death, and so do I. However I believe that going for an outright ban, a year's ban, or even four months ban is too harsh for people who get caught hacking the first time. Most SC players aren't even adults yet, and they are bound to do stupid shit, like hacking.

In the world of Starcraft, even four months is a very long time. In four months, being banned from everything like ICCUP and TL can result in the said individual leaving Starcraft forever, or greatly reduce their interest in the game, which should be avoided at all costs imo. Justice should be handed down, but in not such a cold, heavy-handed manner. First time offenders should be given a temporary ban lasting for two-four weeks, which shows them that they will be punished for hacking, but we will give them a second chance. Second chance can be far more heavy, like a year's ban, or an outright ban since they should've gotten the message the first time though.

It's better to show mercy the first time than cold justice, in my humble opinion.

Addendum: Hacking in tournaments deserve very little or no mercy though, since usually there is money riding on the line with no second chances after you lose, rather than some rank in a ladder
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ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
September 03 2009 00:57 GMT
#247
Seriously, how many of you people can say with conviction that you never cheated before, whether in a game or in real life (on a test or something). "He who is without sin among you, let him throw the first stone".
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