• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:24
CEST 05:24
KST 12:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash7[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy11ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple3Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research3Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool49Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win4
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 519 Inner Power The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Pros React To: SoulKey vs Ample ASL21 General Discussion RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group D [ASL21] Ro24 Group C [ASL21] Ro24 Group B
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9586 users

Attitudes toward cheaters - Page 3

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 11 12 13 Next All
Masamune
Profile Joined January 2007
Canada3401 Posts
August 31 2009 03:24 GMT
#41
I think there should be a designated icon for hackers/cheaters so that if they do come back, they will have to live with their actions and people will know who actually went out of their way to gain an advantage in a fucking game.
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-31 03:26:40
August 31 2009 03:25 GMT
#42
On August 31 2009 12:23 travis wrote:
elongated humiliation from the community. it will better them as a person. and it would be unpleasant.

Omg. Yes. When cheaters become unbanned, instead of a probe/scv/whatever icon, they get cheater icon. Would have to be a hilarious and lame icon too. =D

edit: post above beat me to it ><
@NvPinder on twitter | Member of Gamecom Nv | http://www.clan-ta.com | http://www.youtube.com/user/ftrunkz | http://www.twitchtv.com/xghpinder
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-31 03:27:32
August 31 2009 03:26 GMT
#43
I used to hack like crazy, but eventually I realized I would never get real good if all I cared about was winning my games, rather than improving from my losses.

Years and years and years ago, though. Before testie quit hacking!

I never hacked in a community type situation though... so I guess it isn't quite the same.



And yeah.. I think an icon to signify that someone was caught hacking or cheating is a pretty amusing idea.
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
August 31 2009 03:28 GMT
#44
My post isnt gonna be as big as everyone elses because in my opinion its a simple answer.

The first 3, pure bans, done. Its like cheating on an exam, its not right. If the games are friendly, I would be very frustrated, and would look down upon on the opponent as cheating in anything is dishonourable.

The last one.. a warning. if its in a major tournament like WCG then you should have read the rules before hand, but sometimes the units activate them because of the crap AI. so a warning is fine.

I believe in second chances, however the person being given a second chance should be extremely grateful and NEVER abuse again. Iv heard Testie used to hack, but now look where he is. He was offered a contract to come to Korea some time ago right?
Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
PrideNeverDies
Profile Joined July 2009
Kazakhstan74 Posts
August 31 2009 03:28 GMT
#45
better to permaban here and teach them a good lesson, than to give them a free pass so they never learn and get busted for much bigger things
[DUF]MethodMan
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany1716 Posts
August 31 2009 03:29 GMT
#46
99% of all proven hackers have hacked after they got caught. Therefore I don't believe in giving a second chance to them. This isn't about being stupid this is about attitude and attitude rarely changes.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 31 2009 03:30 GMT
#47
On August 31 2009 12:29 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:
99% of all proven hackers have hacked after they got caught. Therefore I don't believe in giving a second chance to them. This isn't about being stupid this is about attitude and attitude rarely changes.


good job making up some statistic to try to validate your opinion
Clasic
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
August 31 2009 03:30 GMT
#48
On August 31 2009 12:29 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:
99% of all proven hackers have hacked after they got caught. Therefore I don't believe in giving a second chance to them. This isn't about being stupid this is about attitude and attitude rarely changes.


Don't make up bullshit numbers please. Or at least a source.
No no no no its not mine!
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
August 31 2009 03:31 GMT
#49
I recommend that this cheater icon be a dunce cap, or that cheaters permanently get their name changed to something embarassing (Such as Combat-eX) also Kennigit, i'm aware that the justice system doesn't work that way. As i said, i'm having a bit of trouble expressing the way i feel on this, although i can clearly say that i wish that Clazziquai's ban would be reduced to 90 days (or maybe a 90 day ban, along with being forced to recreate his account?) However thats only an individual matter. As a whole i think that hacking should be a 90 day or perma-bannable offense based on personal contribution to the community. Repeated hacking should be an insta ggnore permaban.
U Gotta Skate.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7327 Posts
August 31 2009 03:31 GMT
#50
how many of you maphacked in d2? I know I did it and to most it isnt a big deal. Obviously maphacking in bw is a bigger problem but to the casual player who knows? Hacking in my opinion in a tournament or cw is a much bigger offense and should be treated so compared to hacking in some random ass games (ladder included).

Id rate ladder abusing last unless you abused to get to a rank that was meaningful (in that it qualified you for some tournament or something)

considering the ranks are trivial its really irrelevant what rank you are.....not many are scratching top 500 on iccup and theres no final tournament or anything so I dont see what the big deal is.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-31 03:33:45
August 31 2009 03:32 GMT
#51
On August 31 2009 11:29 Manifesto7 wrote:
[*]Ladder abuse by free wins


Ladder abuse is a bit like lying on your CV/Resume to get a good job. Yeah, you can brag about your achievements, but anyone who knows you, or observes you, knows that you don't belong there.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25996 Posts
August 31 2009 03:33 GMT
#52
The Starcraft community is way too forgiving. Which is why famous hackers continue to play. Which is why I feel TL takes a much harder line than anyone else.
Moderator
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
August 31 2009 03:34 GMT
#53
On August 31 2009 12:33 Chill wrote:
The Starcraft community is way too forgiving. Which is why famous hackers continue to play. Which is why I feel TL takes a much harder line than anyone else.


And rightly so, too.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 31 2009 03:34 GMT
#54
Was there money or anything on the line, here?

If so, I think it is a much greater transgression than if it was just for fun. If it was just for fun... he should be being made fun of for being pathetic. That's how an IRL community works so I don't see why it should be different here. It's not like he is new here, he kind of has a history. He isn't just "another player", he's clazziqual from tl.net



that is who we are talking about, right?
SkepTicAL
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada872 Posts
August 31 2009 03:35 GMT
#55
I would look at the severity of the offence... kinda like a crime. Haypro for instance used oblivion on one occasion... someone like dino has been hacking for years. Haypro would get like a 2 month ban, while dino would be exiled from any activity.
AeriALsLighT @AerialsLight
Clasic
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
August 31 2009 03:36 GMT
#56
On August 31 2009 12:31 Sadist wrote:
how many of you maphacked in d2? I know I did it and to most it isnt a big deal. Obviously maphacking in bw is a bigger problem but to the casual player who knows? Hacking in my opinion in a tournament or cw is a much bigger offense and should be treated so compared to hacking in some random ass games (ladder included).

Id rate ladder abusing last unless you abused to get to a rank that was meaningful (in that it qualified you for some tournament or something)

considering the ranks are trivial its really irrelevant what rank you are.....not many are scratching top 500 on iccup and theres no final tournament or anything so I dont see what the big deal is.



Maybe because it isn't harming anyone :|
No no no no its not mine!
SkepTicAL
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada872 Posts
August 31 2009 03:36 GMT
#57
BTW hacking is admitting that you are unable to learn the game alone.
AeriALsLighT @AerialsLight
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
August 31 2009 03:37 GMT
#58
On August 31 2009 12:34 travis wrote:
Was there money or anything on the line, here?

If so, I think it is a much greater transgression than if it was just for fun. If it was just for fun... he should be being made fun of for being pathetic. That's how an IRL community works so I don't see why it should be different here. It's not like he is new here, he kind of has a history. He isn't just "another player", he's clazziqual from tl.net



that is who we are talking about, right?


I do believe so.

I think the picture for a hacker should be Oscar the Grouch, on another topic.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
August 31 2009 03:37 GMT
#59
I think any sort of hacking at any time should be punished by a permaban.

We represent true competitive gaming.

Anything else is a farce and makes a mockery out of the eSport.

---------------
Let the hacker make an appeal in his own due time, but only after much suffering and sorrow.
sex appeal
kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
August 31 2009 03:37 GMT
#60
On August 31 2009 12:33 Chill wrote:
The Starcraft community is way too forgiving. Which is why famous hackers continue to play. Which is why I feel TL takes a much harder line than anyone else.

Yeah he's right. I think that if you've been caught hacking or any abuse at all you should be perma-removed and earn the respect back over a long period of time. If after that you get caught a second time, just completely ban forever.
http://www.starcraftmecca.net - Founder
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 11 12 13 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
StarCraft Evolution League #19
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
JimRising 712
RuFF_SC2 202
Nina 91
-ZergGirl 66
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 5767
Shine 36
sSak 23
Bale 8
Dota 2
monkeys_forever738
NeuroSwarm266
Counter-Strike
summit1g9214
taco 487
Stewie2K361
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0417
Other Games
Maynarde106
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1093
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 67
• davetesta27
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Counter-Strike
• Scarra1109
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6h 36m
Afreeca Starleague
6h 36m
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
PiGosaur Cup
20h 36m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 6h
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
Replay Cast
1d 20h
The PondCast
2 days
OSC
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
TriGGeR vs Cure
ByuN vs Rogue
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
Maru vs MaxPax
BSL
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS6
WardiTV Winter 2026
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
Escore Tournament S2: W1
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.