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Masamune
Profile Joined January 2007
Canada3401 Posts
August 31 2009 03:24 GMT
#41
I think there should be a designated icon for hackers/cheaters so that if they do come back, they will have to live with their actions and people will know who actually went out of their way to gain an advantage in a fucking game.
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-31 03:26:40
August 31 2009 03:25 GMT
#42
On August 31 2009 12:23 travis wrote:
elongated humiliation from the community. it will better them as a person. and it would be unpleasant.

Omg. Yes. When cheaters become unbanned, instead of a probe/scv/whatever icon, they get cheater icon. Would have to be a hilarious and lame icon too. =D

edit: post above beat me to it ><
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-31 03:27:32
August 31 2009 03:26 GMT
#43
I used to hack like crazy, but eventually I realized I would never get real good if all I cared about was winning my games, rather than improving from my losses.

Years and years and years ago, though. Before testie quit hacking!

I never hacked in a community type situation though... so I guess it isn't quite the same.



And yeah.. I think an icon to signify that someone was caught hacking or cheating is a pretty amusing idea.
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
August 31 2009 03:28 GMT
#44
My post isnt gonna be as big as everyone elses because in my opinion its a simple answer.

The first 3, pure bans, done. Its like cheating on an exam, its not right. If the games are friendly, I would be very frustrated, and would look down upon on the opponent as cheating in anything is dishonourable.

The last one.. a warning. if its in a major tournament like WCG then you should have read the rules before hand, but sometimes the units activate them because of the crap AI. so a warning is fine.

I believe in second chances, however the person being given a second chance should be extremely grateful and NEVER abuse again. Iv heard Testie used to hack, but now look where he is. He was offered a contract to come to Korea some time ago right?
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PrideNeverDies
Profile Joined July 2009
Kazakhstan74 Posts
August 31 2009 03:28 GMT
#45
better to permaban here and teach them a good lesson, than to give them a free pass so they never learn and get busted for much bigger things
[DUF]MethodMan
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany1716 Posts
August 31 2009 03:29 GMT
#46
99% of all proven hackers have hacked after they got caught. Therefore I don't believe in giving a second chance to them. This isn't about being stupid this is about attitude and attitude rarely changes.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 31 2009 03:30 GMT
#47
On August 31 2009 12:29 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:
99% of all proven hackers have hacked after they got caught. Therefore I don't believe in giving a second chance to them. This isn't about being stupid this is about attitude and attitude rarely changes.


good job making up some statistic to try to validate your opinion
Clasic
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
August 31 2009 03:30 GMT
#48
On August 31 2009 12:29 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:
99% of all proven hackers have hacked after they got caught. Therefore I don't believe in giving a second chance to them. This isn't about being stupid this is about attitude and attitude rarely changes.


Don't make up bullshit numbers please. Or at least a source.
No no no no its not mine!
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
August 31 2009 03:31 GMT
#49
I recommend that this cheater icon be a dunce cap, or that cheaters permanently get their name changed to something embarassing (Such as Combat-eX) also Kennigit, i'm aware that the justice system doesn't work that way. As i said, i'm having a bit of trouble expressing the way i feel on this, although i can clearly say that i wish that Clazziquai's ban would be reduced to 90 days (or maybe a 90 day ban, along with being forced to recreate his account?) However thats only an individual matter. As a whole i think that hacking should be a 90 day or perma-bannable offense based on personal contribution to the community. Repeated hacking should be an insta ggnore permaban.
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7291 Posts
August 31 2009 03:31 GMT
#50
how many of you maphacked in d2? I know I did it and to most it isnt a big deal. Obviously maphacking in bw is a bigger problem but to the casual player who knows? Hacking in my opinion in a tournament or cw is a much bigger offense and should be treated so compared to hacking in some random ass games (ladder included).

Id rate ladder abusing last unless you abused to get to a rank that was meaningful (in that it qualified you for some tournament or something)

considering the ranks are trivial its really irrelevant what rank you are.....not many are scratching top 500 on iccup and theres no final tournament or anything so I dont see what the big deal is.
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jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-31 03:33:45
August 31 2009 03:32 GMT
#51
On August 31 2009 11:29 Manifesto7 wrote:
[*]Ladder abuse by free wins


Ladder abuse is a bit like lying on your CV/Resume to get a good job. Yeah, you can brag about your achievements, but anyone who knows you, or observes you, knows that you don't belong there.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25988 Posts
August 31 2009 03:33 GMT
#52
The Starcraft community is way too forgiving. Which is why famous hackers continue to play. Which is why I feel TL takes a much harder line than anyone else.
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jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
August 31 2009 03:34 GMT
#53
On August 31 2009 12:33 Chill wrote:
The Starcraft community is way too forgiving. Which is why famous hackers continue to play. Which is why I feel TL takes a much harder line than anyone else.


And rightly so, too.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 31 2009 03:34 GMT
#54
Was there money or anything on the line, here?

If so, I think it is a much greater transgression than if it was just for fun. If it was just for fun... he should be being made fun of for being pathetic. That's how an IRL community works so I don't see why it should be different here. It's not like he is new here, he kind of has a history. He isn't just "another player", he's clazziqual from tl.net



that is who we are talking about, right?
SkepTicAL
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada872 Posts
August 31 2009 03:35 GMT
#55
I would look at the severity of the offence... kinda like a crime. Haypro for instance used oblivion on one occasion... someone like dino has been hacking for years. Haypro would get like a 2 month ban, while dino would be exiled from any activity.
AeriALsLighT @AerialsLight
Clasic
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
August 31 2009 03:36 GMT
#56
On August 31 2009 12:31 Sadist wrote:
how many of you maphacked in d2? I know I did it and to most it isnt a big deal. Obviously maphacking in bw is a bigger problem but to the casual player who knows? Hacking in my opinion in a tournament or cw is a much bigger offense and should be treated so compared to hacking in some random ass games (ladder included).

Id rate ladder abusing last unless you abused to get to a rank that was meaningful (in that it qualified you for some tournament or something)

considering the ranks are trivial its really irrelevant what rank you are.....not many are scratching top 500 on iccup and theres no final tournament or anything so I dont see what the big deal is.



Maybe because it isn't harming anyone :|
No no no no its not mine!
SkepTicAL
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada872 Posts
August 31 2009 03:36 GMT
#57
BTW hacking is admitting that you are unable to learn the game alone.
AeriALsLighT @AerialsLight
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
August 31 2009 03:37 GMT
#58
On August 31 2009 12:34 travis wrote:
Was there money or anything on the line, here?

If so, I think it is a much greater transgression than if it was just for fun. If it was just for fun... he should be being made fun of for being pathetic. That's how an IRL community works so I don't see why it should be different here. It's not like he is new here, he kind of has a history. He isn't just "another player", he's clazziqual from tl.net



that is who we are talking about, right?


I do believe so.

I think the picture for a hacker should be Oscar the Grouch, on another topic.
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jeddus
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States832 Posts
August 31 2009 03:37 GMT
#59
I think any sort of hacking at any time should be punished by a permaban.

We represent true competitive gaming.

Anything else is a farce and makes a mockery out of the eSport.

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kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
August 31 2009 03:37 GMT
#60
On August 31 2009 12:33 Chill wrote:
The Starcraft community is way too forgiving. Which is why famous hackers continue to play. Which is why I feel TL takes a much harder line than anyone else.

Yeah he's right. I think that if you've been caught hacking or any abuse at all you should be perma-removed and earn the respect back over a long period of time. If after that you get caught a second time, just completely ban forever.
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