EPThacking in random games isnt harming anyone either. Sure it can be an annoyance....but so can a person obviously not trying against you or doing all in shit.
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Sadist
United States7298 Posts
hacking in random games isnt harming anyone either. Sure it can be an annoyance....but so can a person obviously not trying against you or doing all in shit. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On August 31 2009 12:37 kOre wrote: Yeah he's right. I think that if you've been caught hacking or any abuse at all you should be perma-removed and earn the respect back over a long period of time. If after that you get caught a second time, just completely ban forever. Why... Why should someone be banned if they are caught hacking, when they are only playing for fun? Isn't that their business, and not yours? If you don't want to play a hacker, don't play them again. I don't see the issue when nothing is on the line. (note that I am only talking about non-tournament play) And at this point, the TL.net community is about more than just starcraft. | ||
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FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33502 Posts
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FuDDx
United States5008 Posts
I do not approve of hacking/cheating/abuse of any kind. If anyone "needed" to hack it would be me with 11 years of playing and still a solid 8 0 apm. I really dislike dishonesty in a game Ive loved for years, let alone in any sport/game it just seems silly to me. But then agian I dont and never will hack. | ||
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Kerotan
England2109 Posts
On August 31 2009 12:33 Chill wrote: The Starcraft community is way too forgiving. Which is why famous hackers continue to play. Which is why I feel TL takes a much harder line than anyone else. Oh yeah I'm a total wuss, I'm really disappointed that clazz did this, but at the same time, from what I gather it wasn't just once, or a misunderstanding of some rule, or the accidental use of a glitch. And people like last shadow continue to promise that they have given up hacking, and they continue getting caught, and those are the hackers that stick in the memory, perhaps in 5 years or so, maybe I think he could come back, but certainly for now its a case of indefinite time, and the only chance of parole as it where, is when the community at large decides that he has served his time, since as things go he has just beem ostracised from the biggest starcraft community in the world, not just TL, but GG, ICCUP and all the others, if he still has any love for the game, that's going to hurt. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On August 31 2009 12:40 FranzF1 wrote: Idk I just play for fun and to learn how to be better at SC, hacking doesnt really helps and Ladder abuse to... But for me if u are caught hacking u should be banned permanent... its like stealing or idk its bad and if u did once what stop u to doing it again. What's to stop anyone from doing it, whenever they want? Banning them from the forums certainly doesn't. | ||
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kOre
Canada3642 Posts
On August 31 2009 12:40 travis wrote: Why... Why should someone be banned if they are caught hacking, when they are only playing for fun? Isn't that their business, and not yours? If you don't want to play a hacker, don't play them again. I don't see the issue when nothing is on the line. (note that I am only talking about non-tournament play) And at this point, the TL.net community is about more than just starcraft. If you're playing for fun why do you need to hack? You would be hacking so that you would win (which ruins the game for your opponent who could be playing seriously). | ||
TheFallofTroy
Canada780 Posts
On August 31 2009 12:37 Sadist wrote: hacking in random games isnt harming anyone either. Sure it can be an annoyance....but so can a person obviously not trying against you or doing all in shit. Are you seriously comparing "hacking" to doing an all-in build? What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
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Rebel_lion
United States271 Posts
In a community where manners are pretty important i can't believe people are honestly trying to defend the people that despoil the game in the most hardcore ways possible. Hackers loathe fair play. Why would you be fair to them? | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
* Map hacking / program hacking (multi command, disc, etc) (Severe Offense, ban for life but revisit the case in the future) * Ladder abuse by free wins (Stupid Offense, ban for life and never let them back) * Observer cheating (See Ladder abuse by free wins, same scenerio) * Using illegal in game glitches (things that corrupt replays, are banned in torunaments, etc) (Non-serious offense. People shouldn't be banned for this unless they keep doing it and keep getting caught for doing it repeatedly.) I mean everyone's opinion will be different about all types of cheating mani. Some people treat hacking like murder (see other thread, lol). Personally having worked with WGT in the past when we were always hunting hackers, it becomes too much and you start to sympathize with these people who get banned for hacking. Some people are sincere and want to make a change, but most hackers are like druggies, they just lie to please you and get what they want. You (TL.net admins) should determine the severity of each case and take into consideration their activity and contributions to the TL the community. On top of this you may want to obtain some sort of promise from the players who hacked that they will no longer cheat and give them their second chance, then once they fuck up again they're out. Didn't you guys do this for ... uh Kawaii?? Sorry thats the best example off the top of my head if it applies at all. You may want to just do a 'ban for all cheating' method and then people who want to get unbanned need to speak with TL.net admins about that, and harp on smurfs (which is a bit much to do) (I think it's silly for TL.net to ban people who hack though, as TL is not running the ICCUP ladder, just me though..) | ||
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
Oh no he hacked, 90 day ban and we can all be friends again. Lesson learned right? | ||
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FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
On August 31 2009 12:42 travis wrote: What's to stop anyone from doing it, whenever they want? Banning them from the forums certainly doesn't. Banning from the forums its just a punishment, like if u kill someone going to jail isnt going to stop u of killing someone else... its just a punishment for what u did (If he really liked this comunity and he wants to comeback he is going to realize that doing something like cheating isnt worth). PS: sry for my analogy, first thing that came to my mind.. lol | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On August 31 2009 12:44 kOre wrote: If you're playing for fun why do you need to hack? You would be hacking so that you would win (which ruins the game for your opponent who could be playing seriously). Because they find it fun to win? And no, it doesn't ruin the game for the opponent. (though it can sometimes be annoying) A good player will beat a worse maphacker most of the time anyways. Especially at higher levels. | ||
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Sadist
United States7298 Posts
On August 31 2009 12:44 Machine[eh] wrote: Are you seriously comparing "hacking" to doing an all-in build? What the fuck are you talking about? if the end result is making the game not fun for your opponent then yes they might as well be the same. We arent talking about tournament play here.....we are talking about random fucking iccup games. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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TheFallofTroy
Canada780 Posts
On August 31 2009 12:51 Sadist wrote: if the end result is making the game not fun for your opponent then yes they might as well be the same. We arent talking about tournament play here.....we are talking about random fucking iccup games. I am not trying to get in an argument with you here; but all-in builds are part of the game and hacking is not. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On August 31 2009 12:54 Kennigit wrote: Travis just stop... stop what? I was replying to the guy. Don't get all fussy just because we don't have the same stance on the issue. If I am doing something wrong in this thread tell me what it is and I will remedy it. | ||
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Myxomatosis
United States2392 Posts
On August 31 2009 12:24 Masamune wrote: I think there should be a designated icon for hackers/cheaters so that if they do come back, they will have to live with their actions and people will know who actually went out of their way to gain an advantage in a fucking game. inglourious basterds style eh? | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
On August 31 2009 12:48 travis wrote: Because they find it fun to win? And no, it doesn't ruin the game for the opponent. (though it can sometimes be annoying) A good player will beat a worse maphacker most of the time anyways. Especially at higher levels. i see what you're trying to say, that in random games the opponent of the hacker probably won't even know that their opponent is hacking,ignorance is bliss sort of thing. I don't agree with it though, hacking or having an advantage over your opponent in any way shouldn't be tolerated. it just ruins the integrity of the game plain and simple. plus it stunts the non-hacker from improving their game because they lose due to something inexplicable (opponent being able to see the entire map) | ||
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