EPTThough the idea of Bisu/Fantasy vs Jaedong/Flash really gives me a hard-on.
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
Though the idea of Bisu/Fantasy vs Jaedong/Flash really gives me a hard-on. | ||
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piratebay
United States399 Posts
On August 21 2009 14:15 GTR wrote: SKT Bisu/Fantasy vs KT Jaedong/Flash is like the SKT iloveoov/Boxer vs KTF Reach/Yellow I guess of the modern age. except one minor difference bisu/fantasy osl wins:0 vs jaedong/flash osl wins:3,maybe 4 how the times have changed | ||
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faseman
Australia215 Posts
I wouldn't at all mind seeing flash/jaedong/luxury rip SKT to shreds "FOR THE GOOD OF E-SPORTS!" | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
I wouldn't care what KT called itself then, I'd still support that team. | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
I don't want SKT to buy JD. Not because I hate SKT, but because SKT won proleague with ease with the worst Zerg Line to ever exist in history of SC. I would love for JD to come to KT, not because Flash needs a good zerg partner (Luxury is stll great in practice) but rather because Flash/JD Child Labor players need a nice little break. But as an oldschool KT fan, I know. I know that JD has broken numerous curses and I know JD is undoubtedly the #1 player at this moment. But the KT curse has never been broken, and even if JD has a chance to prove himself I really don't want to see him go through the process of defeating another curse. Sure he has a great chance of breaking the curse, but what if he doesn't? I love Flash/JD, but I love KTF even more, and if there is even a slim chance of the KT team destroying one of my favorite zergs I'd rather have him not come and let him go to a different team. Sure if the KT Zerg line revived to the olden days (Chojja/Yellow -> Luxury/JD) I would be happy as a banana. But if the KT curse happens to be in effect and destroys the career of a zerg I love watching... I'd rather have JD go to MBCgame heroes or Wemade. | ||
GTR
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
Bisu goes to CJ T1 still keeps majority of imba players JD goes to KT or stays in OZ. (as far as I know, KT bit be a little imbalanced with JD/Flash combo, but still we wouldn't know) Balance in the world of starcraft! | ||
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
Of course Jaedong might need time to readjust. | ||
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Orbifold
United States1922 Posts
On August 21 2009 13:06 fusionsdf wrote: IMO the only likely teams are: 1. SKT (Has the money and a mercenary past and a generally shitty zerg lineup. Also lets not forget the kespa/SKT links lol. The thing that makes this less likely is the current strength of their lineup. But if you think SKT cares enough about the balance/viability of Proleague to not pick up Jaedong....Well that doesnt exactly fit their history does it.) 2. KT (Same money, same past, but probably doesnt have quite as deep pockets. This is offset by its greater need. For a team always trying to rival SKT (and honestly, usually failing) Flash/Jaedong is an exciting counter to Bisu/Fantasy and would result in pretty much a guaranteed team presence in the proleague playoffs of the future.) 3. CJ (normally would be about as likely as samsung (ie not even worth mentioning), However, not only does CJ as a company have deep pockets, there were substantial rumors of an attempt to acquire bisu. With bisu now locked up, CJ is (if the rumors are true) left with a huge amount of cash to spend and a desire to throw it at a big name player. Unfortunately CJ already has the strongest zerg lineup and bisu would have been a much better fit for the team. This is the best analysis I have seen so far, but I disagree with some of your points. First of all, the depth of a company's pockets does not matter. Samsung profits a trillion dollars a year more than KT and SKT combined. Samsung has MUCH deeper pockets, but as an international company they get far less bang for their buck than strictly Korean companies. My list looks like: 1. KT - KT and SKT are direct competitators. Until recently KT has come out on top due to their strong performance in the land line business, but land lines are a rapidly receding market and this is starting to hurt KT's bottom line. They want to start sucking up cell phone market share, and towards that end a lot of money is going into youth oriented marketing. That's where all this Olleh crap is coming from. It's also pretty clear they let loose some marketing people on their SC team (Finger Boom, stupid uniforms, Ralston... what the fuck is Ralston?). As difficult as this has been on us KT fans, it means that they see the team as an important part of their efforts. They really really really want young Koreans talking to their friends about KT's recent match, and I think they're going to put up quite a bit of cash. They are also trying to get approval for a merger, and posting losses will actually help with that. They're going to be spending money like it's going out of style for the next quarter or two. 2. CJ - I am less familiar with this company, but the rumor fusionsdf mentioned speaks for it self. 3. Hite - Hite has a 60% share in the Korean beverage market. A major company is trying to acquire the other 40%, and they seem determined to cut into Hite's business. Hite is probably going to pump up their marketing in response and it has seems like their SC team has performed well for them thus far. 4. SKT - They have many of the same motivations as KT, but they have been criticized recently for spending too much on marketing. Still, the demographic of Pro-SC fans is very important to them and they are fighting hard to reach them. On the other hand, what more do they want? Getting into a pro-league finals is probably the best possible outcome for a firm looking to get attention by funding an SC team. They might even be thinking that a good rivalry could garner even more attention for them. They shouldn't be counted out, but I think they think they'll get less return than the above companies do. It could all come down to which company has the most convincing VP managing their team account, so it's really hard to say what will happen. The above 4 seem most likely to sign JD to me, but not by much. I'm a KT fan, but only because of Flash. If Flash switched teams or retired, KT would become my least favorite team faster than you can say "Flash only lost that game because...". I carry a fair amount of Korean stock in my portfolio, and I think I am being relatively objective in this write up. | ||
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stambe
Bulgaria492 Posts
On August 21 2009 15:20 MrHoon wrote: I'm in dilemma I don't want SKT to buy JD. Not because I hate SKT, but because SKT won proleague with ease with the worst Zerg Line to ever exist in history of SC. I would love for JD to come to KT, not because Flash needs a good zerg partner (Luxury is stll great in practice) but rather because Flash/JD Child Labor players need a nice little break. But as an oldschool KT fan, I know. I know that JD has broken numerous curses and I know JD is undoubtedly the #1 player at this moment. But the KT curse has never been broken, and even if JD has a chance to prove himself I really don't want to see him go through the process of defeating another curse. Sure he has a great chance of breaking the curse, but what if he doesn't? I love Flash/JD, but I love KTF even more, and if there is even a slim chance of the KT team destroying one of my favorite zergs I'd rather have him not come and let him go to a different team. Sure if the KT Zerg line revived to the olden days (Chojja/Yellow -> Luxury/JD) I would be happy as a banana. But if the KT curse happens to be in effect and destroys the career of a zerg I love watching... I'd rather have JD go to MBCgame heroes or Wemade. What is the KT curse ? | ||
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SCBlitz
Canada6 Posts
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Tyxiquale
Australia424 Posts
1. you are a good player 2. KT/KTF buys you. 3. You now suck the end. | ||
Waxangel
United States33503 Posts
On August 21 2009 15:20 MrHoon wrote: I'm in dilemma I don't want SKT to buy JD. Not because I hate SKT, but because SKT won proleague with ease with the worst Zerg Line to ever exist in history of SC. I would love for JD to come to KT, not because Flash needs a good zerg partner (Luxury is stll great in practice) but rather because Flash/JD Child Labor players need a nice little break. But as an oldschool KT fan, I know. I know that JD has broken numerous curses and I know JD is undoubtedly the #1 player at this moment. But the KT curse has never been broken, and even if JD has a chance to prove himself I really don't want to see him go through the process of defeating another curse. Sure he has a great chance of breaking the curse, but what if he doesn't? I love Flash/JD, but I love KTF even more, and if there is even a slim chance of the KT team destroying one of my favorite zergs I'd rather have him not come and let him go to a different team. Sure if the KT Zerg line revived to the olden days (Chojja/Yellow -> Luxury/JD) I would be happy as a banana. But if the KT curse happens to be in effect and destroys the career of a zerg I love watching... I'd rather have JD go to MBCgame heroes or Wemade. KT curse? A silly superstition within statistical bounds I say. Chojja tanked indeed, but he's only one case. We don't know whether he was already jaded and just looking for a paycheck, or something more devious rekrul could inform us of. Yellow actually performed rather well after his KTF move, and we could say his future decline was a personal matter rather than a result of his move. Nal_ra moved and was their invincible ace in proleague, before a later decline which could be attributed to something else? In any case, there's nothing that directly implicates a move to KTF with a decline in skill, | ||
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stambe
Bulgaria492 Posts
On August 21 2009 15:46 Tyxiquale wrote: 3 step process. 1. you are a good player 2. KT/KTF buys you. 3. You now suck the end. Funny, i've never heard of that thing and I follow the scene pretty thoroughly since 2004. :D Who else has fallen to that curse? Flash i think is home grown player so he is out of the question. Maybe Luxury? | ||
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
All this BS about how Jaedong is underpaid... I've said it before, we don't all root for teams sponsored by corporations with pockets deep enough to poach all of their players (I'm looking at you, KT and SKT1). Jaedong is 19... 19! and he's making in excess of $110,000 USD/yr. It may not be as much as other star pro-gamers, but still. That's ridiculous. How many people on TeamLiquid make that much? I've only ever made a fraction of that, and I'm a college graduate. Jaedong IS underpaid. Considering what he does for the team you would have to be crazy to think He is not underpaid. Competitors are paid not in accordance to what degree they have, but what they do for their teams/sponsers. If you had as much impact in a big corporate team as Jaedong/worked as hard as him I guarantee you would make more money then him. Jaedong is to OZ as alcohol is to beer. | ||
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Orbifold
United States1922 Posts
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GTR
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On August 21 2009 15:51 Waxangel wrote: KT curse? A silly superstition within statistical bounds I say. Chojja tanked indeed, but he's only one case. We don't know whether he was already jaded and just looking for a paycheck, or something more devious rekrul could inform us of. Yellow actually performed rather well after his KTF move, and we could say his future decline was a personal matter rather than a result of his move. Nal_ra moved and was their invincible ace in proleague, before a later decline which could be attributed to something else? In any case, there's nothing that directly implicates a move to KTF with a decline in skill, I'm just really worried because this generation's KTF buys really did suck (beside Lux... okay his Allkill -> MSL Streak) | ||
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Tyxiquale
Australia424 Posts
On August 21 2009 15:52 ShaperofDreams wrote: Jaedong IS underpaid. Considering what he does for the team you would have to be crazy to think He is not underpaid. Competitors are paid not in accordance to what degree they have, but what they do for their teams/sponsers. I like how you capitalised "He" as if to put him in the same league as God. I don't know if that was intentional.. but very nice touch. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33503 Posts
On August 21 2009 15:55 MrHoon wrote: I'm just really worried because this generation's KTF buys really did suck (beside Lux... okay his Allkill -> MSL Streak) He won the fucking MSL. Yes Jangbi sucked. But he won a major singles title, which is a big deal. In terms of going to KTF and immediately tanking as if you took the money and ran, all I can think of is ForGG. Sync and Chojja at least played at a mediocre level before they decided to play terribly. And Oops~lee was terrible before he joined, he doesn't count. | ||
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