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People need to start being more realistic about jaedong. SKT/KT are the obvious ones with funds. CJ (maybe samsung) aren't obvious, but the parent company has the funds if available. Teams like hite, woongjin, wemade etc are highly unlikely to be able to cough up enough money to not only pay Jaedong's salary (or possibly double it) and even more unlikely to finish first in a bidding war.
IMO the only likely teams are:
1. SKT (Has the money and a mercenary past and a generally shitty zerg lineup. Also lets not forget the kespa/SKT links lol. The thing that makes this less likely is the current strength of their lineup. But if you think SKT cares enough about the balance/viability of Proleague to not pick up Jaedong....Well that doesnt exactly fit their history does it.)
2. KT (Same money, same past, but probably doesnt have quite as deep pockets. This is offset by its greater need. For a team always trying to rival SKT (and honestly, usually failing) Flash/Jaedong is an exciting counter to Bisu/Fantasy and would result in pretty much a guaranteed team presence in the proleague playoffs of the future.)
3. CJ (normally would be about as likely as samsung (ie not even worth mentioning), However, not only does CJ as a company have deep pockets, there were substantial rumors of an attempt to acquire bisu. With bisu now locked up, CJ is (if the rumors are true) left with a huge amount of cash to spend and a desire to throw it at a big name player. Unfortunately CJ already has the strongest zerg lineup and bisu would have been a much better fit for the team.
4. Other teams. Your team isnt likely, stop pretending it is, go away.
edit: read and lol
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/18/biz_07forbes2000_The-Global-2000-South-Korea_10Rank.html
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since my second favorite player is Stork, jd going to khan would be awesome...
Flash/JD could be awesome too, a good counterpart to skt...
no doubt my team icon will change with jd's
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sigh, poor GGPlay
at least you won the most dramatic OSL win ever
Stars are back to having no titleholders on their team
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On August 21 2009 13:06 fusionsdf wrote:People need to start being more realistic about jaedong. SKT/KT are the obvious ones with funds. CJ (maybe samsung) aren't obvious, but the parent company has the funds if available. Teams like hite, woongjin, wemade etc are highly unlikely to be able to cough up enough money to not only pay Jaedong's salary (or possibly double it) and even more unlikely to finish first in a bidding war. IMO the only likely teams are: 1. SKT (Has the money and a mercenary past and a generally shitty zerg lineup. Also lets not forget the kespa/SKT links lol. The thing that makes this less likely is the current strength of their lineup. But if you think SKT cares enough about the balance/viability of Proleague to not pick up Jaedong....Well that doesnt exactly fit their history does it.) 2. KT (Same money, same past, but probably doesnt have quite as deep pockets. This is offset by its greater need. For a team always trying to rival SKT (and honestly, usually failing) Flash/Jaedong is an exciting counter to Bisu/Fantasy and would result in pretty much a guaranteed team presence in the proleague playoffs of the future.) 3. CJ (normally would be about as likely as samsung (ie not even worth mentioning), However, not only does CJ as a company have deep pockets, there were substantial rumors of an attempt to acquire bisu. With bisu now locked up, CJ is (if the rumors are true) left with a huge amount of cash to spend and a desire to throw it at a big name player. Unfortunately CJ already has the strongest zerg lineup and bisu would have been a much better fit for the team. 4. Other teams. Your team isnt likely, stop pretending it is, go away. edit: read and lol http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/18/biz_07forbes2000_The-Global-2000-South-Korea_10Rank.html
eSTRO has the cash yo... IEG can afford to pay 1 million+ for Proleague they can definitely afford to pay for Jaedong
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they can afford to, but the team has a history of not spending a lot, and since eSTRO is among the weakest teams (despite their potential) AND Jaedong's parents have to agree to the contract, it seems to me a very dark horse.
eSTRO and samsung are the most likely of the non SKT/KT/CJ to make a big move, but CJ is a dark enough horse already.
I would believe IEG doing it just to make a splash, but I haven't heard any hype/talk about buying a big player etc from them. And again, their current lineup isnt any stronger than hwaseung's so Jaedong would again be carrying the team.
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Jaedong should join CJ 
Sick zerg lineup for the win!
edit: Farewell GGPlay, I will never forget your epic comeback at Daum OSL 2007.
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On August 21 2009 13:06 fusionsdf wrote:People need to start being more realistic about jaedong. SKT/KT are the obvious ones with funds. CJ (maybe samsung) aren't obvious, but the parent company has the funds if available. Teams like hite, woongjin, wemade etc are highly unlikely to be able to cough up enough money to not only pay Jaedong's salary (or possibly double it) and even more unlikely to finish first in a bidding war. IMO the only likely teams are: 1. SKT (Has the money and a mercenary past and a generally shitty zerg lineup. Also lets not forget the kespa/SKT links lol. The thing that makes this less likely is the current strength of their lineup. But if you think SKT cares enough about the balance/viability of Proleague to not pick up Jaedong....Well that doesnt exactly fit their history does it.) 2. KT (Same money, same past, but probably doesnt have quite as deep pockets. This is offset by its greater need. For a team always trying to rival SKT (and honestly, usually failing) Flash/Jaedong is an exciting counter to Bisu/Fantasy and would result in pretty much a guaranteed team presence in the proleague playoffs of the future.) 3. CJ (normally would be about as likely as samsung (ie not even worth mentioning), However, not only does CJ as a company have deep pockets, there were substantial rumors of an attempt to acquire bisu. With bisu now locked up, CJ is (if the rumors are true) left with a huge amount of cash to spend and a desire to throw it at a big name player. Unfortunately CJ already has the strongest zerg lineup and bisu would have been a much better fit for the team. 4. Other teams. Your team isnt likely, stop pretending it is, go away. edit: read and lol http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/18/biz_07forbes2000_The-Global-2000-South-Korea_10Rank.html
To be quite honest, these players don't make much money at all from a corporate standpoint. Top players like Jaedong and Bisu are making basically higher level manger/director level salary. Hardly bank-breaking amount by any means... even for ESTRO. Any sponsor should they choose can easily afford Jaedong lineup if they choose. So ranking company power is pretty pointless. As a Khan fan, this is painfully obvious given that Khan doesn't have the resources befitting of its sponsor.
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I'm really hoping KT, but not specifically because of my, erm, questionable allegiances. I'm throwing my lot in with the people who say Bisu+Fantasy vs Jaedong+Flash would be an amazing proleague duality, and would further the already age old SKT vs KT rivalry from yore. Plus, think how much better Flash's TvZ might get. :3
It'd be an awesome proleague line up. The basic would be Flash/Jaedong/Violet(or tempest if Violet is having a hard time I suppose), and then flex Luxury/Forgg/Tempest(or Violet!!)/Hoejja depending on the opposing team's weaknesses. On top of that, Flash and Jaedong could finally get some slack in the form of each other.
Though, Bisu or Effort would probably end up raping the best of proleague awards if Jaedong and Flash ended up on the same team. :x
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On August 21 2009 12:33 Delerium wrote:
re: "JD can't move to SKT1 because that would ruin proleague/e-sports!" - it's become pretty obvious that SKT1 only care about themselves/winning, and I don't trust them to make decisions purely for the good of e-sports. To all the T1 fans who thought "Week of Jaedong" was egomaniacal.... Oov's "If Oz wins [over T1] it will be bad for e-sports" was a lot worse.
as for "Oz icons will start disappearing!" - speak for yourself. Even if I am a Jaedong fan, I am also an Oz fan. Oz has lots of other players I like to watch, like Backho, Lomo, and Killer. I'll root for Jaedong wherever he goes, but I will also root for Oz. To me, Oz is the team that Boxer left for dead.
All this BS about how Jaedong is underpaid... I've said it before, we don't all root for teams sponsored by corporations with pockets deep enough to poach all of their players (I'm looking at you, KT and SKT1). Jaedong is 19... 19! and he's making in excess of $110,000 USD/yr. It may not be as much as other star pro-gamers, but still. That's ridiculous. How many people on TeamLiquid make that much? I've only ever made a fraction of that, and I'm a college graduate.
Think about it for a second... there's not very much of a business model here. All the money paid by the companies to fund the teams are supposed to be returned purely in the value of brand promotion. They are shelling out money to entertain us. How many of you have ever bought a ticket to an e-sport event? In other words, not all the companies can equally afford to fund this neo-sports television.
Jaedong leaving Oz would subject him to a lot of uncomfortable changes. He'd leave behind his practice partners and his proximity-based relationships with his Oz teammates would suffer. He might not fit in well at a new team, and he might not get the same kind of attention. It's not worth the risk. It could spell the end of his career. Not that he's exactly hurting for money after making so much all this time... but he is clearly a very driven person, and I know he doesn't want it to end in such a lousy way. I pretty much hope no teams bid on him, but I suspect that will not happen.
I'm not sure why Jaedong being 19 should make his salary lower. If he outperforms every other progamer on the scene (which he has, or at least as performed at the level of every other progamer) he deserves to make more, or as much as every other progamer. This will become apparent when the offers start coming in (some of which I expect to be in excess of $140,000).
Also, the value of practice partners and coaching is highly overrated in sports. Look at any other sport. Most players adapt well to other teams, and if they don't, they get traded. The same will happen to Jaedong if he fails to adjust. And it's not like the quality of his OZ practice partners is that high.
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On August 21 2009 13:36 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2009 13:06 fusionsdf wrote:People need to start being more realistic about jaedong. SKT/KT are the obvious ones with funds. CJ (maybe samsung) aren't obvious, but the parent company has the funds if available. Teams like hite, woongjin, wemade etc are highly unlikely to be able to cough up enough money to not only pay Jaedong's salary (or possibly double it) and even more unlikely to finish first in a bidding war. IMO the only likely teams are: 1. SKT (Has the money and a mercenary past and a generally shitty zerg lineup. Also lets not forget the kespa/SKT links lol. The thing that makes this less likely is the current strength of their lineup. But if you think SKT cares enough about the balance/viability of Proleague to not pick up Jaedong....Well that doesnt exactly fit their history does it.) 2. KT (Same money, same past, but probably doesnt have quite as deep pockets. This is offset by its greater need. For a team always trying to rival SKT (and honestly, usually failing) Flash/Jaedong is an exciting counter to Bisu/Fantasy and would result in pretty much a guaranteed team presence in the proleague playoffs of the future.) 3. CJ (normally would be about as likely as samsung (ie not even worth mentioning), However, not only does CJ as a company have deep pockets, there were substantial rumors of an attempt to acquire bisu. With bisu now locked up, CJ is (if the rumors are true) left with a huge amount of cash to spend and a desire to throw it at a big name player. Unfortunately CJ already has the strongest zerg lineup and bisu would have been a much better fit for the team. 4. Other teams. Your team isnt likely, stop pretending it is, go away. edit: read and lol http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/18/biz_07forbes2000_The-Global-2000-South-Korea_10Rank.html To be quite honest, these players don't make much money at all from a corporate standpoint. Top players like Jaedong and Bisu are making basically higher level manger/director level salary. Hardly bank-breaking amount by any means... even for ESTRO. Any sponsor should they choose can easily afford Jaedong lineup if they choose. So ranking company power is pretty pointless. As a Khan fan, this is painfully obvious given that Khan doesn't have the resources befitting of its sponsor.
Yes, but CJ has a history of paying its players reasonably well (see savior's contract) and that coupled with the bisu rumors indicates they might be interested in making a splash.
Samsung has significantly deeper pockets than even SKT and SKT towers over every other team. Even STX is bigger than CJ. The reason CJ is included and Samsung/STX/all the others aren't is because of 1) their history of spending big money on players 2) their history of spending money to buy big name players 3) rumors of their activity.
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On August 21 2009 13:22 fusionsdf wrote:I would believe IEG doing it just to make a splash, but I haven't heard any hype/talk about buying a big player etc from them. And again, their current lineup isnt any stronger than hwaseung's so  Jaedong would again be carrying the team.
I'd have to disagree here. Without JD:
OZ's main Terrans:  HiyA and Lomo.
eSTRO's main Terrans: Really and UpMaGiC.
They stack up about even overall. Lomo has his TvZ, HiyA's got TvP, UpMagic's got TvT and kooky builds, Really's solid (if average) in all matchups.
OZ's main Protoss:  BackHo, PerfectMan?
eSTRO's main Protoss: SangHo, GosI[Flying]?
BackHo and SangHo are both not that great overall, but I think SangHo's still growing, while BackHo's slipping a little. Perfectman and Flying I don't really know about, but I'm going to say for the sake of my argument that Flying's got more potential.
OZ's main Zerg: ...
eSTRO's main Zerg: hyvaa
The critical factor: Much as I don't like hyvaa, he's actually decent. Which is more than I can say for any of OZ's non-JD Zergs.
That's the overall stats. However, Really, UpMagic, SangHo, and hyvaa all finished with winning (barely) PL records this last season, iirc. On OZ, you have HiyA... maybe Lomo?
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Why this is a bad move for JD even though eSTRO is better than non-Jaedong OZ:
eSTRO clearly is missing something critical, probably in its coaching. UpMagic, SangHo, and hyvaa all have displayed huge potential which just doesn't show up consistently in their play. Really has also shown play (especially vs Zerg) which if he could maintain would make him a solid #2 Terran on a good team - but not reliably.
I just don't think that Jaedong, even as driven as he is, could overcome that team aura of streaky inconsistent play in the long term. Oh sure, this year he'd be awesome and eSTRO would rocket to at least a #3 seed in the playoffs - maybe a title. But in the following years... I think we'd see Jaedong falling off rather than continuing at his current level or even improving (if that's even possible).
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No news on oversky?
Oh, just read rules. Can Oz not bid on JD (or is the base their 'bid', since it's unlikely he's not going to get any offers at all, possibly lower)? They should have plenty of money, who else are they paying.
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On August 21 2009 13:46 Count9 wrote:
They should have plenty of money, who else are they paying.
...The entire team, I'd wager.
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Man, it'd be so freaking weird seeing Jaedong in blue if Khan got him.
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I would want to see Jaedong go to KT.
1. Flash&Jaedong Two rivals coming together on the same team. both considered one of the top players and used to carrying their team now join up to reach new heights. (basically reminds me of the boston celtics getting Garnett and Allen)
2. SKT&KT Who wouldn't want to see this rivalry spark up again? Jaedong/Flash vs Bisu/Fantasy just sounds exciting.
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SKT Bisu/Fantasy vs KT Jaedong/Flash is like the SKT iloveoov/Boxer vs KTF Reach/Yellow I guess of the modern age.
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If JD goes to SKT, just imagine how much SKT would have to cost in FPL to prevent everyone from auto-choosing.
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Yea cause light is total trash, and if sea goes back to normal they would have Light, Sea and Jaedong. So I dunno he wouldnt be overworked like on OZ.
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Khan needs him!
He would teach to practice to everyone on the Khan House... January will be so happy to get a player that really likes to practice! she would even cry >.<
And imagine if he somehow makes stork/jangbi better PvZ (I dont think that).
He is the man for Khan and I hope that he stays on Oz or goes to Khan cus I want the epic 3way battle for most Proleague wins (Flash/Bisu/Jaedong).
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