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On August 21 2009 22:33 Dice84 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2009 21:55 Geo.Rion wrote: can some1 tell me what these prises would be in dollar or euro? 140,000,000 Won is equivalent to about 115,000 Dollars (base salary a year). Majority of the Korean netizens are saying he deserves at least 180,000,000+ Won which is about 145,000+ Dollars. I say, he deserves at least 200k a year. Nada in his prime made 300,000,000 won so why shouldn't Jaedong deserve similar pay or lil less than that? We'll have to wait and see who the highest bidder is and how much they're going to pay him. $$$
Google does a great job of converting money, is it really that hard to type google.com?
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On August 21 2009 22:33 Dice84 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2009 21:55 Geo.Rion wrote: can some1 tell me what these prises would be in dollar or euro? 140,000,000 Won is equivalent to about 115,000 Dollars (base salary a year). Majority of the Korean netizens are saying he deserves at least 180,000,000+ Won which is about 145,000+ Dollars. I say, he deserves at least 200k a year. Nada in his prime made 300,000,000 won so why shouldn't Jaedong deserve similar pay or lil less than that? We'll have to wait and see who the highest bidder is and how much they're going to pay him. $$$
Because he's not NaDa. He still deserves a lot though.
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On August 21 2009 22:43 ghostWriter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2009 22:33 Dice84 wrote:On August 21 2009 21:55 Geo.Rion wrote: can some1 tell me what these prises would be in dollar or euro? 140,000,000 Won is equivalent to about 115,000 Dollars (base salary a year). Majority of the Korean netizens are saying he deserves at least 180,000,000+ Won which is about 145,000+ Dollars. I say, he deserves at least 200k a year. Nada in his prime made 300,000,000 won so why shouldn't Jaedong deserve similar pay or lil less than that? We'll have to wait and see who the highest bidder is and how much they're going to pay him. $$$ Google does a great job of converting money, is it really that hard to type google.com? sorry for asking, SIR
But thanks a lot Dice
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On August 21 2009 21:45 ghostWriter wrote:Jaedong on Sktt1 GOGO No more sktt1 zerg jokes forever!
lol wow that looks so weird hahahah but i guess if he does go skt1 we will really see that O__O
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oh no... GGPlay. Your Daum run was epic. Gl
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The Dong looks sexy in red imo.
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damn GGPlay One of my favourite players
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Im dreaming of JD for Khan 2009/2010:
He will lose his loved BackHo, but he will have Storki the sexytoss =D
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nooooooo you can't separate JD from his 'ho, that would be criminal!
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On August 22 2009 00:23 FranzF1 wrote:Im dreaming of JD for Khan 2009/2010: He will lose his loved BackHo, but he will have Storki the sexytoss =D
I beleive !! <3
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Hahaha, the word bubbles were great.
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WemadeFOX_Jaedong I BELIEVE !
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On August 21 2009 20:19 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2009 16:01 Waxangel wrote:On August 21 2009 15:55 MrHoon wrote:On August 21 2009 15:51 Waxangel wrote:On August 21 2009 15:20 MrHoon wrote: I'm in dilemma
I don't want SKT to buy JD. Not because I hate SKT, but because SKT won proleague with ease with the worst Zerg Line to ever exist in history of SC.
I would love for JD to come to KT, not because Flash needs a good zerg partner (Luxury is stll great in practice) but rather because Flash/JD Child Labor players need a nice little break.
But as an oldschool KT fan, I know. I know that JD has broken numerous curses and I know JD is undoubtedly the #1 player at this moment.
But the KT curse has never been broken, and even if JD has a chance to prove himself I really don't want to see him go through the process of defeating another curse. Sure he has a great chance of breaking the curse, but what if he doesn't? I love Flash/JD, but I love KTF even more, and if there is even a slim chance of the KT team destroying one of my favorite zergs I'd rather have him not come and let him go to a different team.
Sure if the KT Zerg line revived to the olden days (Chojja/Yellow -> Luxury/JD) I would be happy as a banana. But if the KT curse happens to be in effect and destroys the career of a zerg I love watching... I'd rather have JD go to MBCgame heroes or Wemade. KT curse? A silly superstition within statistical bounds I say. Chojja tanked indeed, but he's only one case. We don't know whether he was already jaded and just looking for a paycheck, or something more devious rekrul could inform us of. Yellow actually performed rather well after his KTF move, and we could say his future decline was a personal matter rather than a result of his move. Nal_ra moved and was their invincible ace in proleague, before a later decline which could be attributed to something else? In any case, there's nothing that directly implicates a move to KTF with a decline in skill, I'm just really worried because this generation's KTF buys really did suck (beside Lux... okay his Allkill -> MSL Streak) He won the fucking MSL. Yes Jangbi sucked. But he won a major singles title, which is a big deal. In terms of going to KTF and immediately tanking as if you took the money and ran, all I can think of is ForGG. Sync and Chojja at least played at a mediocre level before they decided to play terribly. And Oops~lee was terrible before he joined, he doesn't count. ForGG also sucked before he went to KTF though Show nested quote +On August 21 2009 16:21 ShaperofDreams wrote:On August 21 2009 16:06 Chrispy wrote: So... Starcraft = Harder than the military? Uhh excuse me I don't get your post. were you referring to my post or the OP or the way the thread was going? He probably wrote that referring to GGplay retiring/going to the military because of carpal tunnel syndrome Lmao...
ForGG won his MSL title before he went to KT. He won it 3-0 over jaedong by the way. So 3-0ing jaedong in a final and winning an MSL gold is sucking? Hmm...
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You bet JD will be happy, Stork has 180 episodes of one piece to share with him.
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On August 21 2009 15:56 Tyxiquale wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2009 15:52 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Jaedong IS underpaid. Considering what he does for the team you would have to be crazy to think He is not underpaid. Competitors are paid not in accordance to what degree they have, but what they do for their teams/sponsers.
I like how you capitalised "He" as if to put him in the same league as God. I don't know if that was intentional.. but very nice touch.
God doesnt exist, JD exist, thus JD >>>>>> God
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On August 22 2009 01:51 dinmsab wrote: You bet JD will be happy, Stork has 180 episodes of one piece to share with him.
Maybe they'll start a WoW guild.
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On August 22 2009 01:47 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2009 20:19 7mk wrote:On August 21 2009 16:01 Waxangel wrote:On August 21 2009 15:55 MrHoon wrote:On August 21 2009 15:51 Waxangel wrote:On August 21 2009 15:20 MrHoon wrote: I'm in dilemma
I don't want SKT to buy JD. Not because I hate SKT, but because SKT won proleague with ease with the worst Zerg Line to ever exist in history of SC.
I would love for JD to come to KT, not because Flash needs a good zerg partner (Luxury is stll great in practice) but rather because Flash/JD Child Labor players need a nice little break.
But as an oldschool KT fan, I know. I know that JD has broken numerous curses and I know JD is undoubtedly the #1 player at this moment.
But the KT curse has never been broken, and even if JD has a chance to prove himself I really don't want to see him go through the process of defeating another curse. Sure he has a great chance of breaking the curse, but what if he doesn't? I love Flash/JD, but I love KTF even more, and if there is even a slim chance of the KT team destroying one of my favorite zergs I'd rather have him not come and let him go to a different team.
Sure if the KT Zerg line revived to the olden days (Chojja/Yellow -> Luxury/JD) I would be happy as a banana. But if the KT curse happens to be in effect and destroys the career of a zerg I love watching... I'd rather have JD go to MBCgame heroes or Wemade. KT curse? A silly superstition within statistical bounds I say. Chojja tanked indeed, but he's only one case. We don't know whether he was already jaded and just looking for a paycheck, or something more devious rekrul could inform us of. Yellow actually performed rather well after his KTF move, and we could say his future decline was a personal matter rather than a result of his move. Nal_ra moved and was their invincible ace in proleague, before a later decline which could be attributed to something else? In any case, there's nothing that directly implicates a move to KTF with a decline in skill, I'm just really worried because this generation's KTF buys really did suck (beside Lux... okay his Allkill -> MSL Streak) He won the fucking MSL. Yes Jangbi sucked. But he won a major singles title, which is a big deal. In terms of going to KTF and immediately tanking as if you took the money and ran, all I can think of is ForGG. Sync and Chojja at least played at a mediocre level before they decided to play terribly. And Oops~lee was terrible before he joined, he doesn't count. ForGG also sucked before he went to KTF though On August 21 2009 16:21 ShaperofDreams wrote:On August 21 2009 16:06 Chrispy wrote: So... Starcraft = Harder than the military? Uhh excuse me I don't get your post. were you referring to my post or the OP or the way the thread was going? He probably wrote that referring to GGplay retiring/going to the military because of carpal tunnel syndrome Lmao... ForGG won his MSL title before he went to KT. He won it 3-0 over jaedong by the way. So 3-0ing jaedong in a final and winning an MSL gold is sucking? Hmm... Have you even been watching BroodWar? ForGG was sucking really bad for a few months before he went to KT, his coach being an ass about that was one of the reasons for the transfer.
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According to this Fomos article posted yesterday + Show Spoiler [article] + e스포츠 최초의 자유계약선수(Free Agent, 이하 FA) 제도가 이번에는 ‘총액 최고가 낙찰’이라는 제도로 FA 선언의 발목을 잡았다.
FA 자격을 획득한 선수들은 지난 12일부터 원소속 프로게임단과 우선 협상을 시작해 마감시한인 20일까지 계약에 대해 협의를 진행했다. 이에 따라 총 39명의 FA 대상자 가운데 32명의 선수가 원소속팀에 잔류하기로 결정했고, 화승 이제동, 하이트 김창희, SK텔레콤 전상욱, MBC게임 고석현, KT 안상원 등 다섯 명의 선수가 FA를 선언했다.
그런데 이 과정에서 ‘총액 최고가 낙찰’이 선수들의 FA를 선언을 가로 막은 것으로 보인다. ‘총액 최고가 낙찰’ 이란 쉽게 설명하면 FA를 선언한 선수를 영입하려는 프로게임단의 입찰 및 응찰을 진행함에 있어 계약기간에 관계없이 가장 높은 금액을 제시한 프로게임단이 낙찰을 받는다는 것이다.
예를 들어 A선수가 FA를 선언했을 경우 B프로게임단에서 1년 계약에 연봉 5천만원, C프로게임단에서 2년 계약에 연봉 총액 8천만원, D프로게임단에서 3년 계약에 연봉 총액 9천만원을 제시했을 경우 선수는 총액이 가장 큰 D프로게임단으로 입단하게 된다.
이를 1년 단위 연봉으로 환산했을 경우 B프로게임단 5천만원, C프로게임단 4천만원, D프로게임단 3천만원이 되며 선수는 1년 단위 연봉이 가장 적음에도 불구하고 총액이 많다는 이유만으로 D프로게임단으로 이적해야 한다.
실제로 A선수의 경우 FA를 선언했다가 원소속 프로게임단에서 이런 내용을 설명 받고 전격적으로 FA 선언을 포기하기에 이르렀다.
‘ 총액 최고가 낙찰’은 FA를 선언한 선수를 영입하는 과정에서도 이슈가 될 전망이다. FA 선수의 영입을 원하는 프로게임단이 계약기간이나 제시 금액과 관련해 치열한 눈치 싸움을 펼치고 이를 교묘하게 활용할 경우 더 적은 금액을 제시하고도 오랜 기간 동안 선수를 보유할 수 있기 때문이다. 이 경우 선수가 선택할 수 있는 방법은 최고가를 제시한 프로게임단과 계약하거나 이를 거부하고 원소속 프로게임단과 재협상을 하는 것뿐이다.
이는 지난 14일 FA 선수 입찰 과정에서 입찰 및 응찰의 과정에서 복수의 프로게임단이 입찰했을 때 선수가 입찰한 프로게임단 중 하나를 선택하는 것이 아니라, 반드시 가장 높은 금액으로 입찰한 프로게임단과 계약을 해야 한다고 발표했던 조항보다 더욱 충격적인 내용이며 FA를 완벽하게 Free Auction으로 전락시켜 버렸다.
‘총액 최고가 낙찰’ 역시 전략위원회에서 논의를 거쳐 결정한 것으로 당시 회의에 참가했던 한 관계자는 “선수들이 기간에 관계없이 가장 많은 연봉을 보장하는 프로게임단에 입단할 수 있도록 만든 제도”라고 밝히고 있지만 이는 상식적인 관점에서 판단해도 쉽게 이해가 되지 않는 부분이다.
지난번 최고 입찰 프로게임단과의 무조건 계약한다는 조항 발표로 인해 Free Agent가 아닌 Free Auction이라는 비아냥을 들었던 e스포츠 최초의 FA 제도가 이번에는 쉽게 이해가 되지도 않은 이상한 제도를 통해 숱한 문제와 잡음을 노출시키고 있다.
한편, 이번 FA 대상자 가운데 다년 계약을 체결할 경우는 최대 3년까지만 계약이 가능하며, 현재까지 밝혀진 바에 따르면 다년 계약을 통해 팀에 잔류한 선수는 한 명도 없다.
, not only does a player MUST negotiate with the team that bids the highest amount (this was already discussed), the player has to negotiate with the team that bids the highest TOTAL amount over X amount of years.
This means that if Team A offers Player A 100 Million Won for one year, and Team B offers 110 Million Won for over two years (55M each year), Player A must negotiate with team B even though he would only earn 55 Million per year.
That means the player is losing 45 Million Won in the first year he could have earned by negotiating with team A.
Tell me what you would choose. 100 Million in one year or 110 Million in two years.
It can get worse, maybe a team offering 110 Million for three years vs 100 Million in one year. The first team would still get the player, even though their pay is a lot worse.
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On August 22 2009 01:18 SkelA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2009 00:23 FranzF1 wrote:Im dreaming of JD for Khan 2009/2010: He will lose his loved BackHo, but he will have Storki the sexytoss =D I beleive !! <3
Blue just doesn't fit JD -_-. Hes more of a RED guy. He seriously looks bad on a KHAN uniform. LOL
On August 21 2009 21:45 ghostWriter wrote:Jaedong on Sktt1 GOGO No more sktt1 zerg jokes forever!
to further supports my statement that RED looks better on JD LOL
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On August 22 2009 06:07 l10f wrote:According to this Fomos article posted yesterday + Show Spoiler [article] + e스포츠 최초의 자유계약선수(Free Agent, 이하 FA) 제도가 이번에는 ‘총액 최고가 낙찰’이라는 제도로 FA 선언의 발목을 잡았다.
FA 자격을 획득한 선수들은 지난 12일부터 원소속 프로게임단과 우선 협상을 시작해 마감시한인 20일까지 계약에 대해 협의를 진행했다. 이에 따라 총 39명의 FA 대상자 가운데 32명의 선수가 원소속팀에 잔류하기로 결정했고, 화승 이제동, 하이트 김창희, SK텔레콤 전상욱, MBC게임 고석현, KT 안상원 등 다섯 명의 선수가 FA를 선언했다.
그런데 이 과정에서 ‘총액 최고가 낙찰’이 선수들의 FA를 선언을 가로 막은 것으로 보인다. ‘총액 최고가 낙찰’ 이란 쉽게 설명하면 FA를 선언한 선수를 영입하려는 프로게임단의 입찰 및 응찰을 진행함에 있어 계약기간에 관계없이 가장 높은 금액을 제시한 프로게임단이 낙찰을 받는다는 것이다.
예를 들어 A선수가 FA를 선언했을 경우 B프로게임단에서 1년 계약에 연봉 5천만원, C프로게임단에서 2년 계약에 연봉 총액 8천만원, D프로게임단에서 3년 계약에 연봉 총액 9천만원을 제시했을 경우 선수는 총액이 가장 큰 D프로게임단으로 입단하게 된다.
이를 1년 단위 연봉으로 환산했을 경우 B프로게임단 5천만원, C프로게임단 4천만원, D프로게임단 3천만원이 되며 선수는 1년 단위 연봉이 가장 적음에도 불구하고 총액이 많다는 이유만으로 D프로게임단으로 이적해야 한다.
실제로 A선수의 경우 FA를 선언했다가 원소속 프로게임단에서 이런 내용을 설명 받고 전격적으로 FA 선언을 포기하기에 이르렀다.
‘ 총액 최고가 낙찰’은 FA를 선언한 선수를 영입하는 과정에서도 이슈가 될 전망이다. FA 선수의 영입을 원하는 프로게임단이 계약기간이나 제시 금액과 관련해 치열한 눈치 싸움을 펼치고 이를 교묘하게 활용할 경우 더 적은 금액을 제시하고도 오랜 기간 동안 선수를 보유할 수 있기 때문이다. 이 경우 선수가 선택할 수 있는 방법은 최고가를 제시한 프로게임단과 계약하거나 이를 거부하고 원소속 프로게임단과 재협상을 하는 것뿐이다.
이는 지난 14일 FA 선수 입찰 과정에서 입찰 및 응찰의 과정에서 복수의 프로게임단이 입찰했을 때 선수가 입찰한 프로게임단 중 하나를 선택하는 것이 아니라, 반드시 가장 높은 금액으로 입찰한 프로게임단과 계약을 해야 한다고 발표했던 조항보다 더욱 충격적인 내용이며 FA를 완벽하게 Free Auction으로 전락시켜 버렸다.
‘총액 최고가 낙찰’ 역시 전략위원회에서 논의를 거쳐 결정한 것으로 당시 회의에 참가했던 한 관계자는 “선수들이 기간에 관계없이 가장 많은 연봉을 보장하는 프로게임단에 입단할 수 있도록 만든 제도”라고 밝히고 있지만 이는 상식적인 관점에서 판단해도 쉽게 이해가 되지 않는 부분이다.
지난번 최고 입찰 프로게임단과의 무조건 계약한다는 조항 발표로 인해 Free Agent가 아닌 Free Auction이라는 비아냥을 들었던 e스포츠 최초의 FA 제도가 이번에는 쉽게 이해가 되지도 않은 이상한 제도를 통해 숱한 문제와 잡음을 노출시키고 있다.
한편, 이번 FA 대상자 가운데 다년 계약을 체결할 경우는 최대 3년까지만 계약이 가능하며, 현재까지 밝혀진 바에 따르면 다년 계약을 통해 팀에 잔류한 선수는 한 명도 없다.
, not only does a player MUST negotiate with the team that bids the highest amount (this was already discussed), the player has to negotiate with the team that bids the highest TOTAL amount over X amount of years. This means that if Team A offers Player A 100 Million Won for one year, and Team B offers 110 Million Won for over two years (55M each year), Player A must negotiate with team B even though he would only earn 55 Million per year. That means the player is losing 45 Million Won in the first year he could have earned by negotiating with team A. Tell me what you would choose. 100 Million in one year or 110 Million in two years. It can get worse, maybe a team offering 110 Million for three years vs 100 Million in one year. The first team would still get the player, even though their pay is a lot worse.
keyword: negotiate which means they can change conditions of the contract
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