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[News] Free Agency period signings (Jaedong up for grabs)…

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Breavman
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden598 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-21 23:23:34
August 21 2009 23:22 GMT
#561
I thought the quotes from Jaedong's mother made her sound a bit greedy. The best players will have tough schedules in any team, and meddling parents have brought more harm than help before. But if his team can't afford to pay market value it makes sense to move of course.

Although we can't really compare to Nada's salary from a few years back for example, without knowing how the viewer ratings of starcraft and other aspects which are important to the sponsors have changed.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
August 21 2009 23:33 GMT
#562
Teams can use that clause to prevent other teams from acquiring Jaedong.. Like SKT ends up being the highest bidder, but say Samsung wanted to prevent that and and adds some years and money to their bids to win. Samsung doesn't even need to contract Jaedong, as long as it completes it's hypothetical goal, preventing Jaedong to SKT, they are happy. An interesting notion, to say the least..
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QuickSandSlowly
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
China95 Posts
August 21 2009 23:48 GMT
#563
omg Khan please get jaedong!!
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 22 2009 00:08 GMT
#564
What are the chances of Khan getting Jeadong? Are they on good terms?
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 22 2009 00:09 GMT
#565
On August 22 2009 08:33 ArvickHero wrote:
Teams can use that clause to prevent other teams from acquiring Jaedong.. Like SKT ends up being the highest bidder, but say Samsung wanted to prevent that and and adds some years and money to their bids to win. Samsung doesn't even need to contract Jaedong, as long as it completes it's hypothetical goal, preventing Jaedong to SKT, they are happy. An interesting notion, to say the least..

This actually is exactly what I was thinking.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 22 2009 00:21 GMT
#566
On August 22 2009 09:08 Xiphos wrote:
What are the chances of Khan getting Jeadong? Are they on good terms?


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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
August 22 2009 00:28 GMT
#567
On August 22 2009 08:22 Breavman wrote:
and meddling parents have brought more harm than help before.


Ya, if it wasn't for a meddling parent, we wouldn't have the scum known as SKT1.

Damn SKT1 T_T
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nonduc
Profile Joined May 2009
Russian Federation405 Posts
August 22 2009 00:39 GMT
#568
January must get JD!
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Sprite
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1015 Posts
August 22 2009 00:49 GMT
#569
I think January would be the best Coach for JD like a nourishing mother so to speak.
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n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
August 22 2009 01:17 GMT
#570
Wait, is the bidding system closed ballot or is it more like an auction; i.e are you sending a bid and hoping it's the highest or do you get a chance to see what everyone else bid and adjust?
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StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
August 22 2009 01:19 GMT
#571
On August 22 2009 07:15 l10f wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2009 07:11 StRyKeR wrote:
In the above example, if the companies are smart and actually want Jaedong, they would do

Company 1 offers 150M for 3 years
Company 2 offers 120M for 3 years
Company 3 offers 90M for 3 years.

Then if Company 3 really wants Jaedong and screw the FA system, they might do

Company 3 offers 200M for 10 years.

But then Company 1, 2 will be smart and just up their year count:

Company 1 offers 300M for 6 years
Company 2 offers 240M for 6 years
Company 3 offers 200M for 10 years

In the end, it ends up being pretty logical, and actually, if companies are devious enough to try to game the system, they just end up having to give the player a lifetime contract (not bad imo).


That's very true. Now that I think about it, I don't think this is a bad system after all.


Yea, possibly. If the system is a closed ballot system though, with no option to update bids, it's a pretty stupid system.
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GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
August 22 2009 01:27 GMT
#572
"OZ is said to have offered Jaedong 140,000,000 won in base salary, with bonuses up to 60,000,000 won. Jaedong's mother is said to have requested a base salary in the region of of 180,000,000 won and/or triple his previous salary. "

I can un derstand that. If her mom his worry about his "overworking", well...
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Delerium
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States324 Posts
August 22 2009 01:44 GMT
#573
On August 22 2009 07:15 wswordsmen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2009 07:09 nadafanboy42 wrote:
On August 22 2009 06:54 Aesop wrote:
Well, coming to think about this, maybe it isn't all that bad. This encourages the teams to offer 3-5 year contracts with a decent salary. So while the regulations sound bad, the competition might resolve it.

Wow, that's a great point. Though it's still pretty stupid. I think if there was a plan to this, it must've been to prevent one-year contracts. If they didn't do this players could go FA every year to see who's willing to pay the most that year.

Still, what's preventing companies from just offering ₩1,000,000,000 for 50 years or something even more ridiculous (offer to pay JD and five generations of his descendants ₩10 a month?), to basically game the system?

They have to negotiate, not have to accept they can sign back on with the original teams if they don't get a satisfactory offer but they will likely get a big pay cut. Hwasung could do something underhanded and bribes a team that doesn't have the money to pick Jaedong up to make a ridicules offer forcing Jaedong to stay where he is.

this is completely invalidated by the fact that Hwaseung has already announced the terms of the offer that they will make to Jaedong if he comes back from the FA period without a contract. In other words, they have politely already promised not to game the system and give him a pay cut.
Han Solo
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom199 Posts
August 22 2009 01:46 GMT
#574
On August 22 2009 08:33 ArvickHero wrote:
Teams can use that clause to prevent other teams from acquiring Jaedong.. Like SKT ends up being the highest bidder, but say Samsung wanted to prevent that and and adds some years and money to their bids to win. Samsung doesn't even need to contract Jaedong, as long as it completes it's hypothetical goal, preventing Jaedong to SKT, they are happy. An interesting notion, to say the least..

Jesus that's just annoying...
Blueblister
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden321 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-22 01:53:37
August 22 2009 01:46 GMT
#575
Analyzing hite Sparkyz
I totally understand the move of go.go. Compared to the ability he's been displaying recently he hasn't gotten enough playtime in Sparkyz. If hite Sparkyz wants to keep their captain Justin active, they cannot afford to field go.go too often either. Therefore, he's kind of a mismatch. Arnac is good enough to handle any terran, Horang2 a PvP specialist, while Leta is stable in all of his matchups.

Conclusion: Sparkys needs a good ZvP and PvZ.

PvZ: There aren't any good PvZs out on the market. Well, there arent any good PvZs at all atm (except for Bisu) and I do think hite has a PvZ is on the way in the form of Tazza.

ZvP: The perfect match would be July for obvious reasons, unfortunately he's not available. Who then, if not...

+ Show Spoiler +
HyuN? + Show Spoiler +
No. Someone else... + Show Spoiler +
...Jaedong!? + Show Spoiler +
Well, he wouldn't be a terrible choice.
Blueblister
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden321 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-22 03:31:49
August 22 2009 02:27 GMT
#576
To continue were I left off I will list the teams I find most likely to buy Jaedong:

1. The obvious one... + Show Spoiler +
olleh KT (Fingerboom)
The obvious team is KTs with their history of buying players. Flash is also being overworked since Luxury hasn't been pulling his weight. Another so far unmentioned reason is their new name. With a new name comes an opportunity to start anew and build a stronger, better KT. A player of Jaedongs caliber would give KT a much needed boost.

2. I hope you haven't forgotten a recent namechange!? + Show Spoiler +
hite Sparkyz
The naming rights being sold to the Korean 'Hite' Beer company should result in better economy for the team. The beer company also has a history of sponsoring sporting-events and players. This means Hite Beer and isn't likely to play a passive role in the teams future. Using the capital injection to acquire new players is a feasible option.

3. This would be tragic :-( + Show Spoiler +
SK Telecom T1
SKT1s lacks a top level zerg player and isn't afraid of bribing anyone into joining their ranks. That being said, I think it would be a mistake trying to recruit Jaedong, bad for both the team and general proleague play. Having one dominant team equals less competion for the players and boring season. This will in turn lead to a smaller audience watching the wonderful game of starcraft.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
August 22 2009 02:43 GMT
#577
No way in hell KT will buy Jaedong. Lux is already a star zerg player...underpreforming one...but sense they kept him they obviously arent going to invest in a player like jaedong. Flash is their Ace. They don't need 2 really expensive Ace's. And Hite can't afford Jaedong. Remember they'd have to double his currect salary to get him.
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
August 22 2009 02:45 GMT
#578
On August 22 2009 08:22 Breavman wrote:
I thought the quotes from Jaedong's mother made her sound a bit greedy. The best players will have tough schedules in any team, and meddling parents have brought more harm than help before. But if his team can't afford to pay market value it makes sense to move of course.

Although we can't really compare to Nada's salary from a few years back for example, without knowing how the viewer ratings of starcraft and other aspects which are important to the sponsors have changed.

How is she greedy?

When you look at jaedong's results/salary compared to other players it's very obvious he's being underpaid. How have "meddling parents" brought more harm and help before? Provide an example?
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Dice
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)926 Posts
August 22 2009 04:21 GMT
#579
On August 22 2009 07:13 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2009 07:11 StRyKeR wrote:
In the above example, if the companies are smart and actually want Jaedong, they would do

Company 1 offers 150M for 3 years
Company 2 offers 120M for 3 years
Company 3 offers 90M for 3 years.

Then if Company 3 really wants Jaedong and screw the FA system, they might do

Company 3 offers 200M for 10 years.

But then Company 1, 2 will be smart and just up their year count:

Company 1 offers 300M for 6 years
Company 2 offers 240M for 6 years
Company 3 offers 200M for 10 years

In the end, it ends up being pretty logical, and actually, if companies are devious enough to try to game the system, they just end up having to give the player a lifetime contract (not bad imo).

Remember the contract has to be good enough to be accepted by Jaedong.

Yes, if you think about it, he's guaranteed at least 140 mil plus 60 mil+ bonus salary every year by Hwaseung. So I don't think the other Company would be stupid enough to bid high but with stupidly high x amount of years. However, something like this for example, can be a tough offer for Jaedong:

Hwaseung guarantees: 140,000,000 for 1 year
Let's say that SKT T1 offers: 380,000,000 for 3 years (which is 126 mil a year)

Then Jaedong has to decide which would be the better offer. It would be just like a gamble. SKT T1's offer is more steady but say Jaedong continues to do well, he can possibly receive a better and higher contract next year or so. And if he performs poor then it'll be the opposite.
Nosmo
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada210 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-22 04:48:02
August 22 2009 04:47 GMT
#580
I dont know if anyone has mentioned this, but how Jaedong does tonight might have a big impact on the bidding. If he totally fails, teams are probably not going to bid as much on him, so a lesser team could pick him up.

But this could be just me wanting to see Jaedong on Estro.
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