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Protoss= Easy race?

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FreeDoM[YA]
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Canada855 Posts
July 16 2009 15:02 GMT
#1
So this morning I hit D+. And that was shortly after I decided to switch to protoss. I'm glad I hit D+ but I'm also sad that it seems that it was with an easy race.
D+ Account

Look at my Protoss wins, then look at my terran wins. It's kind of pathetic to see that the newer race I have is doing better than my old one.

I learned this in my games.

-Many D Terrans don't prepare against shuttles in TvP
-D Zergs often bunch up their units.
- Lots of D Protoss seem to not play PvP very well.

But I also found
- Protoss can be easily destroyed by the Zerg as long as Zerg can control the battle
- Protoss can't do shit against a good-harass terran.

So this is my rant about Protoss, as I am one. IT's kind of upsetting to see these results that I picked the easy race.

*
Marine50
Profile Joined September 2007
Australia1764 Posts
July 16 2009 15:04 GMT
#2
Shame on you
IRIS FIGHTING!!!
vlaric
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States412 Posts
July 16 2009 15:05 GMT
#3
Don't worry you will be C very soon.
Wannabe zerg player
barth
Profile Joined March 2008
Ireland1272 Posts
July 16 2009 15:06 GMT
#4
I approve.
"Somebody you are talking to disappears mid sentence, and the universe shoots you because you talked to someone that wasn`t there." - MasterOfChaos
Spider-Mine
Profile Joined June 2008
United States86 Posts
July 16 2009 15:11 GMT
#5
After you hit C with toss you unlock Terran and Zerg races.
MutaDoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1163 Posts
July 16 2009 15:14 GMT
#6
On July 17 2009 00:11 Spider-Mine wrote:
After you hit C with toss you unlock Terran and Zerg races.

Hahahaha
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
July 16 2009 15:15 GMT
#7
Holy shit i just reached d+ with my off race while i cant win more than 2 straight games to save my life with terran!

Fuck yeah protoss i just proved is easier. Let's ask Flash next time to use protoss instead, he might then stay on an individual league for a change.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
July 16 2009 15:18 GMT
#8
how many Protoss do you see making it to the end of the big tournaments these days?


...
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
July 16 2009 15:23 GMT
#9
Protoss may be easy to start with but is the hardest race to master

Once you hit the upper ranks like C+ and above, I heard playing Terran is easier than Protoss
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-16 15:28:45
July 16 2009 15:25 GMT
#10
TvP is a hard matchup for T, because it allows very few mistakes for the terran during early game

Oops, missed that 2 gate scout by a pixel? You lost.
Oops, goons somehow managed to snipe that first tank? You lost.
Oops, didn't scout the entire map for proxy archives? You lost.
Oops, toss got a lucky scarab shot that killed 8 scvs? You lost.
Self-mine daebak by a lucky zealot? You lost.

Pro level gamers can recover from any of those (almost), but for D-level, it's very very hard.

Of course once you get past early game, you can actually start to afford to lose units to toss and that's where the fun begins.

A lot of tosses just reply with "HURR DURR L2P", but that just shows how terrible/biased they are, since they probably played a couple of TvPs years ago, got nerdraged and switched to toss.
lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
July 16 2009 15:31 GMT
#11
On July 17 2009 00:25 Sadistx wrote:
TvP is a hard matchup for T, because it allows very few mistakes for the terran during early game

Oops, missed that 2 gate scout by a pixel? You lost.
Oops, goons somehow managed to snipe that first tank? You lost.
Oops, didn't scout the entire map for proxy archives? You lost.
Oops, toss got a lucky scarab shot that killed 8 scvs? You lost.
Self-mine daebak by a lucky zealot? You lost.

Pro level gamers can recover from any of those (almost), but for D-level, it's very very hard.

Of course once you get past early game, you can actually start to afford to lose units to toss and that's where the fun begins.

A lot of tosses just reply with "HURR DURR L2P", but that just shows how terrible/biased they are, since they probably played a couple of TvPs years ago, got nerdraged and switched to toss.

this is just because you're very bad
You can't fight the feeling.
lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
July 16 2009 15:32 GMT
#12
On July 17 2009 00:02 FreeDoM[YA] wrote:
So this morning I hit D+. And that was shortly after I decided to switch to protoss. I'm glad I hit D+ but I'm also sad that it seems that it was with an easy race.
D+ Account

Look at my Protoss wins, then look at my terran wins. It's kind of pathetic to see that the newer race I have is doing better than my old one.

I learned this in my games.

-Many D Terrans don't prepare against shuttles in TvP
-D Zergs often bunch up their units.
- Lots of D Protoss seem to not play PvP very well.

But I also found
- Protoss can be easily destroyed by the Zerg as long as Zerg can control the battle
- Protoss can't do shit against a good-harass terran.

So this is my rant about Protoss, as I am one. IT's kind of upsetting to see these results that I picked the easy race.

this game is perfectly balanced at higher levels, it's mainly about maps these days.. not race.
protoss is easier to understand at D level and players don't have great micro/micro, so it's easier to take 12 protoss units and wipe out a group of terran units, this is 1 of the reasons why every1 thinks protoss is easy but it really isn't at higher levels
You can't fight the feeling.
oxidized
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States324 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-16 15:34:22
July 16 2009 15:33 GMT
#13
On July 17 2009 00:31 lokiM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2009 00:25 Sadistx wrote:
TvP is a hard matchup for T, because it allows very few mistakes for the terran during early game

Oops, missed that 2 gate scout by a pixel? You lost.
Oops, goons somehow managed to snipe that first tank? You lost.
Oops, didn't scout the entire map for proxy archives? You lost.
Oops, toss got a lucky scarab shot that killed 8 scvs? You lost.
Self-mine daebak by a lucky zealot? You lost.

Pro level gamers can recover from any of those (almost), but for D-level, it's very very hard.

Of course once you get past early game, you can actually start to afford to lose units to toss and that's where the fun begins.

A lot of tosses just reply with "HURR DURR L2P", but that just shows how terrible/biased they are, since they probably played a couple of TvPs years ago, got nerdraged and switched to toss.

this is just because you're very bad

D players are bad by definition. The point is that its easier for a bad player to win PvT rather than TvP.

edit: seems you agree with me based on the above post :p
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
July 16 2009 15:34 GMT
#14
Sounds like you summed up all of competitive SC right there.
lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
July 16 2009 15:39 GMT
#15
On July 17 2009 00:33 oxidized wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2009 00:31 lokiM wrote:
On July 17 2009 00:25 Sadistx wrote:
TvP is a hard matchup for T, because it allows very few mistakes for the terran during early game

Oops, missed that 2 gate scout by a pixel? You lost.
Oops, goons somehow managed to snipe that first tank? You lost.
Oops, didn't scout the entire map for proxy archives? You lost.
Oops, toss got a lucky scarab shot that killed 8 scvs? You lost.
Self-mine daebak by a lucky zealot? You lost.

Pro level gamers can recover from any of those (almost), but for D-level, it's very very hard.

Of course once you get past early game, you can actually start to afford to lose units to toss and that's where the fun begins.

A lot of tosses just reply with "HURR DURR L2P", but that just shows how terrible/biased they are, since they probably played a couple of TvPs years ago, got nerdraged and switched to toss.

this is just because you're very bad

D players are bad by definition. The point is that its easier for a bad player to win PvT rather than TvP.

edit: seems you agree with me based on the above post :p

my point was only a fraction of players can't get out of D level, even then it's not imbalanced it's just slightly easier to understand.
You can't fight the feeling.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
July 16 2009 15:41 GMT
#16
i think the bigger problem is that newer players try too much to emulate pro builds at D levels. theres really no reason to do risky, econ-heavy builds because at D/D+, nobody is going to exploit it that much. that means, if you need to 2 fac or ebay before you expo TvP, it won't cost you as much because the P doesn't have Bisu macro and won't roll you because of a slightly later CC. same for ZvP, there's no reason to 12h at D because you risk losing to 2 gate because your ling micro is bad. just 12p and be ultra safe and get to midgame.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
cosiant
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada616 Posts
July 16 2009 15:52 GMT
#17
Yeah, so easy that I only need pylons to win.
Member of the "Fuck yeah, Canata!" committee!
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
July 16 2009 15:55 GMT
#18
It's certainly the easiest race at the lowest levels, once you begin to get good at it you'll realize how difficult it really is though. Things balance out better at the higher ranks.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Zurles
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom1659 Posts
July 16 2009 15:56 GMT
#19
Now just imagine what Jaedong would do if he switched to protoss.
Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
July 16 2009 15:56 GMT
#20
Every time I hear someone say Protoss is easy, I get the urge to assemble all of my Protoss games (nearly all of them are losses) into a replay pack and sending it to that person. If that statement were true, then I should be winning most of the time by that logic.
You and your "5 years of competitive RTS experience" can take a hike. - FrozenArbiter
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