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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
July 17 2009 01:04 GMT
#81
On July 17 2009 06:25 YPang wrote:
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yeah go eat it
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Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vatican City State491 Posts
July 17 2009 01:16 GMT
#82
On July 17 2009 09:16 Leath wrote:
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On July 17 2009 04:09 YPang wrote:
On July 17 2009 03:59 Chef wrote:
I'm so sick of these blanket statements 'P is easy at low levels' or 'Terran is strongest at the highest levels' but no one ever backs up their statements. Like it's some accepted common knowledge? Why did you even say it then?! AHHHHRGGG!


i think iccup map stats proves that. Almost all icc map stats P>T, P >/= Z, Z> T. With exception to othello.

Desti:
ZvT : 25148 - 27802 (47 %)
ZvP: vs30656 - 28186 (52.1 %)
TvP: vs29152 - 32791 (47 %)

I think you are interpreting those numbers wrong lol
ZvT : 25148 - 27802 (47 %) = Zerg has only won 47% games over terran. Meaning T > Z with 53% winning rate

ZvP: vs30656 - 28186 (52.1 %) = Zerg has a 52.1% win ratio vs protoss. Not the other way around. So P is not >/= Z, more like Z > P

and TvP: vs29152 - 32791 (47 %) is showing that the Protoss has a winning rate of 53% over the Terran.

You may conclude that Destination favors Protoss slightly by those statistics.
However this map only shows the natural way of things: T > Z > P > T


Those map statistics might also contradict the theory that Protoss is the easy race, and "suggest" zerg is the easy race, if you compare the "easy" MU of each race (ZvP, TvZ, PvT), and the "hard"mu (ZvT, TvP, PvZ) percentage.

Often, ZvT seems to be much less difficult than PvZ (hard MU)
while PvT seems to be slightly easier than ZvP (easy MU)


Sorry guys... But, statistically, Zerg is actually slightly easier than Protoss. o_O
And Terran is horribly difficult. *respect for Terran players*


These statistics include both A and D players, which means that even the terrible players are included. If the statistcs were divided by ranks, they would give more meaning. Perhaps at A rank there might be imbalances?
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-17 02:07:56
July 17 2009 02:05 GMT
#83
On July 17 2009 10:04 OneOther wrote:
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On July 17 2009 06:25 YPang wrote:
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yeah go eat it


i already ate my words. and Shitted(Shat it) out... I SPEAK TOO MUCH BULLSHIT.
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boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
July 17 2009 02:19 GMT
#84
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27174 Posts
July 17 2009 02:28 GMT
#85
That one game obviously proves your point then...
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-17 03:11:32
July 17 2009 02:48 GMT
#86
On July 17 2009 11:19 boesthius wrote:
i played against a Z from norway today in a D+ game, and he was harassing the shit out of me CONSTANTLY with mutas, to the point where i just laid 10 cannons in each base. however, when i rolled out of my main with my mass protoss ball rolled him over because he didn't want to tech to hive and constantly pump mass hydra - he said something along the lines of "gj toss easy, with your 20 apm you pro". not the exact quote, but it made me laugh. sorry you didn't make the correct tech switchover or even attempt to contain me in my natural (which was on destination btw.)

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Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
July 17 2009 03:08 GMT
#87
On July 17 2009 06:43 404.Nitrogen wrote:
yep protoss is generally easier at the lower ranks because generally the micro/macro is easier compared to other races because the other races require more babysitting and using abilities like burrowing, stim, using siege mode. terran requires a little more apm, and this is what most lower level users lack, hence the gap between terran and protoss at low levels.

i'm not saying protoss is easy in general or anything, but i think most people would agree with me when i say if you are a lower rank then protoss is easier to play. at higher levels the game is balanced very well.

In my limited experience, Terran lends itself to rapid unit orders, so you naturally click faster while playing. It's only hard to give rapid instruction if you need to do it on different screens, or with high precision.
My strategy is to fork people.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
July 17 2009 04:04 GMT
#88
WALLHACK.
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
July 17 2009 05:12 GMT
#89
On July 17 2009 03:59 Chef wrote:
I'm so sick of these blanket statements 'P is easy at low levels' or 'Terran is strongest at the highest levels' but no one ever backs up their statements. Like it's some accepted common knowledge? Why did you even say it then?! AHHHHRGGG!

It's the truth.

Because it is.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-17 05:44:34
July 17 2009 05:18 GMT
#90
Protoss is great. I just pound the keyboard with my palms for 15 minutes and I have like a 70% win rate. Some days I don't even turn on my monitor!
FaTe)SoL
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada110 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-18 04:17:59
July 18 2009 00:16 GMT
#91
On July 17 2009 03:59 AzureEye wrote:
Last time I checked, P army straight up can't win verse Terran army without storm, zealot drops, stasis, flank, etc.


Right. Just like how a Terran army can't win against a Protoss army without siege mode, spider mines, missle turrets, and positioning.
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
July 18 2009 00:48 GMT
#92
On July 17 2009 13:04 koreasilver wrote:
WALLHACK.


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CrimsonLotus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Colombia1123 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-18 01:25:52
July 18 2009 01:24 GMT
#93
On July 18 2009 09:16 FaTe)SoL wrote:
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On July 17 2009 03:59 AzureEye wrote:Last time I checked, P army straight up can't win verse Terran army without storm, zealot drops, stasis, flank, etc.


Right. Just like how a Terran army can't win against a Protoss army without siege mode, spider mines, missle turrets, and positioning.


I think AzureEye has a valid point.

Protoss do have easier mecanics and that helps at lower levels, but the fact is that properly engaging a D level Terran push usually takes more skill than what we D level Protoss have.

It doesnt matter if you are Flash or some random D noob, Tanks still melt Dragoons and mines still melt Zealots. Of course, the better a Terran player is, the better his unit positioning will be, but my points is that as a Protoss, if you dont at least do a decent job engaging the Terran army, even as a D level player, your army will melt, while Terrans can rely on the sheer damage output and resistance of Tanks, Vultures and mines which are a lot more forgiving to poor unit control.
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iloveoil
Profile Joined June 2008
Norway171 Posts
July 18 2009 10:09 GMT
#94
idgi why does protoss have easier mechanics?
Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
July 18 2009 12:20 GMT
#95
Well, if you compare Toss to Terran, the latter requires full use of secondary abilities such as mines and sieging to fulfill max potential. They're also somewhat of a double-edged sword - mines and tank splash can kill your own units quite easily if you get too hasty and screw up positioning or something like that. Whereas for Protoss in the same matchup, there are less things to worry about, at least before you engage in battle. Macro aside, your biggest worry is often sweeping mines without running your units into them and avoiding getting lured into fights that you're not ready for yet. Once the battle begins of course, it gets a little bit more difficult as in order to break a well-placed push, you have to time your Zealot wave carefully, while figuring out the best place to drop units and storm, if you can get it off. Most Terran prep comes in between battles - asides from that though, it's not quite that different. Both P and T have to use shift+click after constructing buildings, though it's true that P is a bit more forgiving if you forgot since it's immediately obvious that the probe isn't doing anything.
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