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Pangolin
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1035 Posts
September 12 2008 05:20 GMT
#41
Yeah that did become a bit of a problem in ToB. But by then my party was powerful enough to handle anything.
It's easier not to.
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
September 12 2008 08:34 GMT
#42
Don't bother power gaming imo, BG1 and BG2 are easy games anyway, even on highest difficulty, play with the normal NPCs and play a main char that you like. (The games are awsome though, a higher focus on roleplaying and story telling than most games in the genre)

-----Also there are a TON of mods for both games, several of them very VERY good. Check them out before you start and get what you think you will enjoy.-----

The above can't be stessed enough.

Also try to install all games with all expansions and mods at once (If possible) and just play through the ENTIRE saga. There are SO many thing to do and to find, it'll keep you occupied

IF you are going for maximum power (perhaps in order to solo with a difficulty increase mod installed) there are a few really good (and easy to find guides) on the net.
I doubt anything beats level
12 kensai, dual into mage.
or level 12 ranger, dual into cleric.
You get so many defensive spells that you in raw tanking power are_better_ than a dwarven berzerker + your damage output is better than anything, especially in the kensai/mage case.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
September 12 2008 08:59 GMT
#43
It's level 13 kensai or level 9 depending on if u want extra 1/2 attack/round and are patient, not level 12
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-12 11:47:46
September 12 2008 11:44 GMT
#44
On September 12 2008 13:30 Mindcrime wrote:
I prefer to have both 25str, max damage and iron skins. Ranger/cleric ftw

At which level you have everything ? + you dont get the max of specialisations in weapons right ?

On September 12 2008 13:30 Mindcrime wrote:
You do realize where that extra attack goes, right?

? the extra attack is for the main weapon ?

On September 12 2008 13:30 Mindcrime wrote:
berserker/mage

A Kensai / mage is like 20x better.

On September 12 2008 13:30 Mindcrime wrote:
swashbuckler/fighter
swashbuckler/mage
swashbuckler/cleric
berserker/druid
berserker/cleric
wizard slayer/thief
kensai/druid
ranger/cleric
stalker/cleric (soa, but not stock tob)
archer/cleric (soa, but not stock tob)

Ok
But why you dont want the two last combos in tob ?

On September 12 2008 13:30 Mindcrime wrote:
...not without the use of potions or 6million exp.


18 Strength + tome of force + Evil Baal quests = 21 at strenght + draw upon holy might ( + potions) = 25. However you need to be level 12 priest to get to 25 strength without using potions so you right it is for late game. But you can get a good strengh 23 / 24 earlier.

+ you cant get to 25 strength with potions only anyway

On September 12 2008 13:30 Mindcrime wrote:
How do you Algernon's cloak ftw.

I played a multi mage/priest ( which is like 1000X better for solo ) and even with the algernoon trick the beginning is a pain in the ass. + u have to kill poor Algernoon


On September 12 2008 13:30 Mindcrime wrote:
EDIT: Ranger/clerics, due to a quirk in the Infinity Engine, get full access to both cleric spells and druid spells.

Thanks for the info i didnt know it.


After this argument i want to solo with an Assassin / Cleric. Should i install Tutu again ? :p

P.S: i forget the backstab immunes. I just read some stuff about dual class ( i have to admit that i never really tried them at high level and they seem quite gay to "schedule" ).
When your main class is inactive it means that you cant use spells and abilities right ? That would ruin all my therorycrafted assassin / X dual classes for solo :O
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Nebula
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
England780 Posts
September 12 2008 12:44 GMT
#45
When you dual, you lose all skills in your original class until your newly dualed class is one level higher than your original. Then you got them all back and the fun starts

Also Swashbuckler/Fighters are immense :D
<3
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
September 12 2008 12:49 GMT
#46
Ok, I'm wrong so.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-12 14:26:33
September 12 2008 14:26 GMT
#47
On September 12 2008 17:34 KlaCkoN wrote:
Don't bother power gaming imo, BG1 and BG2 are easy games anyway, even on highest difficulty


I think BG1 is not that easy, especially not if you haven't played it before yet and thus don't know when you stumble into a tough area. I still remember the joy of the first ankheg and vampire wolf encounter (in the latter case I didn't even have magical weapons yet).
Of course you'll be able to get through the game anyway, but a good indication about how hard it is is the number of reloads you do.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
September 12 2008 18:50 GMT
#48
On September 12 2008 20:44 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2008 13:30 Mindcrime wrote:
I prefer to have both 25str, max damage and iron skins. Ranger/cleric ftw

At which level you have everything ? + you dont get the max of specialisations in weapons right ?


You would have all of those spells by cleric level 10. As for weapon skills, in an unmodded game, grand mastery is a bit pointless.

Show nested quote +
On September 12 2008 13:30 Mindcrime wrote:
You do realize where that extra attack goes, right?

? the extra attack is for the main weapon ?


Yeah, and if you have improved haste, that's 2 extra attacks with the main weapon.

Show nested quote +
On September 12 2008 13:30 Mindcrime wrote:
berserker/mage

A Kensai / mage is like 20x better.


They're actually really close in terms of power. I think it depends on party makeup when it comes to which is stronger. There is definitely something to be said for being able to use the Helm of Balduran or Vhailor's helm, and the Gauntlets of Extraordinary Weapon Specialization, and the Shield of Balduran.


Show nested quote +
On September 12 2008 13:30 Mindcrime wrote:
swashbuckler/fighter
swashbuckler/mage
swashbuckler/cleric
berserker/druid
berserker/cleric
wizard slayer/thief
kensai/druid
ranger/cleric
stalker/cleric (soa, but not stock tob)
archer/cleric (soa, but not stock tob)

Ok
But why you dont want the two last combos in tob ?


They're just not possible in an unmodded tob. For some reason, bioware decided to make dual-classing impossible for stalkers and archers in tob.

Show nested quote +
On September 12 2008 13:30 Mindcrime wrote:
How do you Algernon's cloak ftw.

I played a multi mage/priest ( which is like 1000X better for solo ) and even with the algernoon trick the beginning is a pain in the ass. + u have to kill poor Algernoon


Algernon had it coming.


P.S: i forget the backstab immunes. I just read some stuff about dual class ( i have to admit that i never really tried them at high level and they seem quite gay to "schedule" ).
When your main class is inactive it means that you cant use spells and abilities right ? That would ruin all my therorycrafted assassin / X dual classes for solo :O


Everything you gained from your first class, with the exception of hit points, is unavailable until your levels in your second class pass your levels in the first.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Pangolin
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1035 Posts
September 12 2008 21:08 GMT
#49
I heard a tip for kensai/mage dual classes that is pretty helpful for regaining levels quickly. What you do is buy/collect as many different spell scrolls as you can, then kick everyone out of your party so the xp isn't shared, and memorize them all (if you have duplicates I think you can even remove and rememorize them). Each scroll gives 1000 xp for every level of the spell. When I did it I kept Viconia in my party to make sure I didn't end the romance, but it still sped things up considerably.
It's easier not to.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
September 12 2008 21:11 GMT
#50
Buying scrolls is for losers. Stealing ftw.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
September 13 2008 04:52 GMT
#51
damn I got owned by some fuckin wolf in the beginning and it was like 'GGNORE YOU GOTTA START OVER"

frick~~
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
September 13 2008 05:01 GMT
#52
eh, if your playing with npcs, as a note for bg2 as diff chars really do make the diff,
I'd recommend Haerdalis, edwin, and mazzy as musts, i found when i played through, those 3 were insanely useful over any other character i picked up, MC feel free to correct me as im sure you will .

In BG1, for interesting party situations, get Xzar and monteron, then Khalid and Jahara, as the 4 have the most amusing party interactions
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Pangolin
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1035 Posts
September 13 2008 05:09 GMT
#53
Haer Dalis? Really? I never even tried him because I assumed bards suck. Edwin is definitely a must if you are not a mage. He just gets so many damn spells. Mazzy is good as an archer but there are definitely better (and more entertaining) front line fighters. Keldorn I found to be extremely useful even though he was sort of boring. Carsomyr & a non mage who can use true seeing and Double level dispel magic made him indispensable in my group.
It's easier not to.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
September 13 2008 05:22 GMT
#54
I found him extremely decent as a) bards do get some spells so he could add to my summoning abuse, b) he had offensive and defensive stance(blade) c)he was extremely amusing as a character d) although his bard song sucked, it does have its uses, and e)anyone from the city of doors is downright grab in my books
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Pangolin
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1035 Posts
September 13 2008 05:32 GMT
#55
Yeah maybe I will try him next time I play. Mostly for C though since I don't summon abuse and wouldn't necessarily want a bard fighting on the front lines. What is the city of doors? Is it in the game or something from D&D in general? I do remember he was from some other plane and his race was called tiefling or something but beyond that I know nothing of his background.

I actually did use a bard once when I made my whole party using the multiplayer thing. I made a skald, berzerker, sorcerer, swashbuckler, and a ranger/cleric. The last slot I left open for npcs. I never finished that playthrough but I remember the skald had a pretty good song.
It's easier not to.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
September 13 2008 05:37 GMT
#56
The city of doors is another name for sigil, so Planescape torment takes place there.
Bards are alot better IMO in neverwinter nights.

As for your playthrough you just mentioned, why did you opt for sorcerer over a mage? I personally always go mage, or one of the specialized mages. For npc's i usually go for things that compliment my main, which is usually a paladin, or mage so i need a balanced party to fill out my ranks, i usually aim for
tank
tank
summoner/offensive tank
priest
archer
priest mage
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Pangolin
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1035 Posts
September 13 2008 07:33 GMT
#57
I did sorcerer to mix things up a bit, also you don't have to choose beforehand how many of each spell you want to use before you rest. You just have to be smart about what you choose to put in your spellbook because it is limited, it is definitely not for beginners because you need to know what spells you want. I think that they are at least as powerful as a regular mage and take less micromanagement of spells.

Hmm who detects/disarms traps with your setup? Do you just use spells?
It's easier not to.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-13 11:22:56
September 13 2008 11:21 GMT
#58
On September 13 2008 13:52 Xeris wrote:
damn I got owned by some fuckin wolf in the beginning and it was like 'GGNORE YOU GOTTA START OVER"

frick~~


Being owned by a wolf is a classic.

Now I HOPE YOU WILL ENJOY YOU FIRST ENCOUNTER WITH AN OGRE.
Moffo will one shot you.

Have you installed TuTu mod btw ? ( Dont forget it )
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Nebula
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
England780 Posts
September 13 2008 11:22 GMT
#59
Haha Xeris, Q( quicksave ) will be your new favourite key.
<3
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
September 13 2008 14:22 GMT
#60
Blades, Haer'Dalis included, are far from being underpowered. :|
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
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