EPTGiven that Jeremy Clarkson is a "Doctor" of Engineering (twice!), I don't think there's much argument for European law on the topic.
Oh, but the headphones do suck, especially for the price. Few know what good headphones actually sound like.
False Advertising - How is this legal? - Page 2
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
Given that Jeremy Clarkson is a "Doctor" of Engineering (twice!), I don't think there's much argument for European law on the topic. Oh, but the headphones do suck, especially for the price. Few know what good headphones actually sound like. | ||
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tar
Germany991 Posts
On November 16 2014 23:03 Taf the Ghost wrote: "Doctor" is a customary title, not a legal one. If it was "Dre, M.D", then there's a potential issue of misrepresentation. Given that Jeremy Clarkson is a "Doctor" of Engineering (twice!), I don't think there's much argument for European law on the topic. Oh, but the headphones do suck, especially for the price. Few know what good headphones actually sound like. Don't know about the situation in the U.S. but in Europe or rather Germany, this is not the case. "Doctor" is an official academic title. Using it without the appropriate doctorate degree is a criminal offence. | ||
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hymn
Bulgaria832 Posts
On November 17 2014 00:09 tar wrote: in Europe or rather Germany, this is not the case. "Doctor" is an official academic title. Using it without the appropriate doctorate degree is a criminal offence. I am a veterinarian hence a doctor in Bulgaria. If I say I am a doctor in Germany, is it a criminal offense? Will I go to jail? I mean, my diploma might not be valid in the whole EU (or it might be, I don't know and I don't care) and thus I would not technically be a doctor there. Or if one is a doctor somewhere in the world, he is free to say so in Deutschland? | ||
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tar
Germany991 Posts
On November 17 2014 02:20 hymn wrote: I am a veterinarian hence a doctor in Bulgaria. If I say I am a doctor in Germany, is it a criminal offense? Will I go to jail? I mean, my diploma might not be valid in the whole EU (or it might be, I don't know and I don't care) and thus I would not technically be a doctor there. Or if one is a doctor somewhere in the world, he is free to say so in Deutschland? The short answer: If you have any EU university doctorate degree you are allowed to call yourself Doctor (Dr.) in Germany. If you have a degree but no doctorate you are not allowed to do so and can be fined or punished with up to 1 year in prison. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
A lot of the tech savvy groups go on reddit which is very vocally against beats. Most of us know they're shitty headphones. Inferiority of products with high markups is kind of a thing here, and I assume it's the same in Europe tbh. No company is perfectly efficient and once a company gains a monopoly or a sizeable chunk of the market share they don't have the need to change and become inefficient. Then there are companies that just make ridiculous profit ratios, which is probably what happened to beats. | ||
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
#thatmomentyourealisestuffyougrewupwithisnowold | ||
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Kazahk
United States385 Posts
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On November 16 2014 08:54 SixStrings wrote: Surely his doctor title must be relevant to the product, right? I figured he would be some renowned sound engineer whose degree comes from the realm of physics, so I looked him up. Many of you, especially Americans, probably know this already, but I was really surprised to find out that he is in fact just a rapper. Can anyone give me even an approximate legal explanation as to how this isn't fraud or at the very least false advertising? How can you use an academic title you don't have to push your product? All I can say is: lol. I would also add that, of all the misleading ads, you pick Dre Beats as the staple of false advertising? I'm not even mad, yo. This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. Just seeing a confused European seeing the title of 'doctor', doing some research and then demanding an explanation. + Show Spoiler [memes] + I found this very humorous, so I did making joke, which I would like to now share for your viewing pleasure. Please enjoy: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jGmmtDZ.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iFYwZJ4.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bgYpZC5.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eQ7EukW.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ApPbqWE.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LN31xsh.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/S8ef6gp.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Y0iKIk8.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Nnq9HKr.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jNZ11RN.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1fo68nR.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cFWPTyA.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YRPv6kA.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MmwXVpf.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YRM1imY.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/nx1m6g9.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/J2HtyoH.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/u3WwFPi.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WMMQg1x.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pQekUj1.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PEO7qvf.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lXfExD4.png) | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On November 17 2014 02:52 tar wrote: The short answer: If you have any EU university doctorate degree you are allowed to call yourself Doctor (Dr.) in Germany. If you have a degree but no doctorate you are not allowed to do so and can be fined or punished with up to 1 year in prison. That's crazysauce. Like, in general, in conversation, or only if legitimately pretending to be a doctor? And what if you have a non-EU doctorate? In Iran, you can get a doctorate for memorizing the Koran and taking no classes. Do they count? What about honorary doctorates, like Stephen Colbert's DFA? In the US, as I understand, it's not kosher to misrepresent some particular degree (MD, PhD, what have you) though I doubt you'd get prison time unless you were doing so in some fraudulent capacity. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On November 17 2014 04:46 ninazerg wrote: All I can say is: lol. I would also add that, of all the misleading ads, you pick Dre Beats as the staple of false advertising? I'm not even mad, yo. This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. Just seeing a confused European seeing the title of 'doctor', doing some research and then demanding an explanation. + Show Spoiler [memes] + I found this very humorous, so I did making joke, which I would like to now share for your viewing pleasure. Please enjoy: LOL all those memes XD | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On November 17 2014 05:34 Yoav wrote: That's crazysauce. Like, in general, in conversation, or only if legitimately pretending to be a doctor? And what if you have a non-EU doctorate? In Iran, you can get a doctorate for memorizing the Koran and taking no classes. Do they count? What about honorary doctorates, like Stephen Colbert's DFA? In the US, as I understand, it's not kosher to misrepresent some particular degree (MD, PhD, what have you) though I doubt you'd get prison time unless you were doing so in some fraudulent capacity. It depends a lot on the context. If you print Dr. Something on some ID Card you hand out to friends as part of a joke, or use it as stagename to perform any kind of "art" you're probably fine. It gets problematic if you start to advertise (like the OP misunderstood) some sort of service, for which the Dr. Name could be mistaken. E.g. advertising a miraculous treatment for cancer, when all you do is some hokum, or advertising your architecture skills, when you're only some random construction worker. I really never heard of a case in which someone would've been served a harsh sentence if it wasn't related to clear fraudulent/scam-ish behaviour. | ||
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tar
Germany991 Posts
On November 17 2014 06:35 GeckoXp wrote: It depends a lot on the context. If you print Dr. Something on some ID Card you hand out to friends as part of a joke, or use it as stagename to perform any kind of "art" you're probably fine. It gets problematic if you start to advertise (like the OP misunderstood) some sort of service, for which the Dr. Name could be mistaken. E.g. advertising a miraculous treatment for cancer, when all you do is some hokum, or advertising your architecture skills, when you're only some random construction worker. I really never heard of a case in which someone would've been served a harsh sentence if it wasn't related to clear fraudulent/scam-ish behaviour. That's about it. The law is not there to punish people who want to show-off at a party but to preserve the trust the public rests in certain titles whenever the public interest is concerned. So if you start a business and hand out business cards with a false title on it you'll probably get in trouble with the law. If you make the good old perversly huge dick joke... well then you are an idiot but you won't be jailed. Also, the punishment is a fine or prison up to 1 year depending on the circumstances of the individual case at hand. Finally, I can't give you a concluding list with what doctorate is accepted and which isn't. It's a complex matter as are legal matters most of the time. The basic concept is that if the conferral of the doctorate was from a university for an actual academic work it will be accepted. If you bought it online or received it for writing a letter about how awsome you are, then it probably won't. edit for clarification: I think the Anglo-Saxon and the continental doctorate degrees are rather different when it comes to terminology. Afaik a PhD basically is the equivalent of what we just call Doctor. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On November 16 2014 20:42 tar wrote: Considering this is how their bear looks like, I am not sure what powers you were expecting  + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/0/38/2278/35527615/baerenmarke-6544583418603204098.jpg) Thats clearly a murder assassin bear, look at that evil smile and that deathstare So what i would expect is some kind of invisibility, ninja reflexes and maybe a super swordfighting skill. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On November 17 2014 07:29 LaNague wrote: Thats clearly a murder assassin bear, look at that evil smile and that deathstare So what i would expect is some kind of invisibility, ninja reflexes and maybe a super swordfighting skill. Imagine what it'd look like if it had a Brazzers Logo. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
it's not unheard of for someone to be arrested under a law and have the judge throw out the case because of the "spirit of the law" as opposed to the "letter of the law" | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On November 16 2014 08:54 SixStrings wrote: I'm assuming that stuff is pretty normal in the US, because consumer protection and foot labelling isn't really a thing, but American corporate liberalism isn't really the topic here. It's definitely a thing, look: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.freetattoodesigns.org/images/tattoo-gallery/lettering-foot-tattoo.jpg) | ||
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tar
Germany991 Posts
This is hilarious :D | ||
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