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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
August 12 2014 17:30 GMT
#1
So i once again decided to bring back my foreigner ranking. This time, it will only cover the Top 16 western foreigners (excluding china, taiwan).
I also changed the math a lot to make it more subjective, and added a little twist to it, putting them into a single elimination bracket to see how it would look.
Once again no comments on the ranking itself, thats up to you


___________________________________________



The math:

aligulac gives every player points for his wins or losses and ranks them. It is widely known and accepted to be of value.
1/3 of the ranking is based on it.

WCS points are given away at every important tournament. To many people, they are what matters in the end.
1/3 of the ranking is based on it.

My subjective ranking is still a factor.
1/3 of the ranking is based on it.

The maximum reachable points is 3000 for first place in all 3 rankings [of all the available competitors] (1000+1000+1000). rank 10 in all 3 rankings would give you 2100 points (700+700+700). The lower the ranks get, the smaller the point differences between them become.


__________________________________________



The Ranking, Polls:



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1 --- 2880 ---- ca Scarlett
aligulac: 2 | WCS: 3 | Me: 1
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Poll: the rank is...

OK (107)
 
58%

Too high (79)
 
42%

186 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): Too high
(Vote): OK



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2 --- 2840 ---- no Snute
aligulac: 3 | WCS: 1 | Me: 3
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

OK (71)
 
46%

Too low (68)
 
44%

Too high (16)
 
10%

155 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): Too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): Too low



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3 --- 2800 ---- dk Bunny
aligulac: 1 | WCS: 2 | Me: 5
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

OK (64)
 
57%

Too high (33)
 
29%

Too low (16)
 
14%

113 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): Too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): Too low



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4 --- 2720 ---- es VortiX
aligulac: 4 | WCS: 4 | Me: 2
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

Too high (70)
 
69%

OK (26)
 
26%

Too low (5)
 
5%

101 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): Too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): Too low



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5 --- 2380 ---- mx MajOr
aligulac: 6 | WCS: 10 | Me: 4
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

Too low (65)
 
57%

OK (34)
 
30%

Too high (16)
 
14%

115 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): Too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): Too low



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6 --- 2240 ---- fi Welmu
aligulac: 15 | WCS: 5 | Me: 6
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

Too high (44)
 
61%

OK (22)
 
31%

Too low (6)
 
8%

72 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): Too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): Too low



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7 --- 2155 ---- fr Dayshi
aligulac: 9 | WCS: 11 | Me: 8
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Poll: the rank is...

OK (36)
 
59%

Too low (13)
 
21%

Too high (12)
 
20%

61 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): Too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): Too low



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8 --- 2145 ---- ru Happy
aligulac: 5 | WCS: 16 | Me: 9
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

Too high (35)
 
64%

OK (17)
 
31%

Too low (3)
 
5%

55 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): Too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): Too low



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9 --- 2135 ---- pl Nerchio
aligulac: 7 | WCS: 12 | Me: 10
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

Too high (47)
 
80%

OK (8)
 
14%

Too low (4)
 
7%

59 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): Too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): Too low



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10 -- 2110 ---- ca HuK
aligulac: 17 | WCS: 7 | Me: 7
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

Too low (56)
 
58%

Too high (32)
 
33%

OK (9)
 
9%

97 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): Too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): Too low



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11 -- 1970 ---- de TLO
aligulac: 21 | WCS: 6 | Me: 11
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

Too low (23)
 
38%

OK (21)
 
34%

Too high (17)
 
28%

61 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): Too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): Too low



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12 -- 1820 ---- pl MaNa
aligulac: 29 | WCS: 8 | Me: 12
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Poll: the rank is...

OK (36)
 
72%

Too high (8)
 
16%

Too low (6)
 
12%

50 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): Too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): Too low



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13 -- 1700 ---- de ShoWTimE
aligulac: 8 | WCS: 24 | Me: 21
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

Too high (31)
 
54%

OK (17)
 
30%

Too low (9)
 
16%

57 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): Too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): Too low



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14 -- 1695 ---- us puCk
aligulac: 37 | WCS: 9 | Me: 16
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

Too high (24)
 
39%

OK (20)
 
32%

Too low (18)
 
29%

62 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): Too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): Too low



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15 -- 1650 ---- nl Grubby
aligulac: 35 | WCS: 14 | Me: 13
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

Too high (40)
 
58%

OK (15)
 
22%

Too low (14)
 
20%

69 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): Too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): Too low



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16 -- 1550 ---- de HeRoMaRinE
aligulac: 11 | WCS: 67 | Me: 22
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: the rank is...

Too high (27)
 
43%

OK (26)
 
41%

Too low (10)
 
16%

63 total votes

Your vote: the rank is...

(Vote): Too high
(Vote): OK
(Vote): Too low






How would a tournament look?




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------------- Thanks for reading! --------------
DiaBoLuS



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.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
August 12 2014 17:40 GMT
#2
HuK should be higher...he's playing extremely well lately
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
August 12 2014 17:44 GMT
#3
Nice ranking! Couple things I would slightly change but in general it's a pretty accurate list. I like how you used the three ranking criteria. Using an average of the three scores and ranking players from lowest to highest values would work, but with the rapid fluctuation of Aligulac ranking I guess giving the subjective score more value is a smart move
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Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
August 12 2014 17:47 GMT
#4
mmh, scarlett probably too high, atleast until she adjusted to the patch.
nice ranking
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
August 12 2014 17:53 GMT
#5
I'd put Snute at 1 and Scarlett at 2, but other than that I cannot object.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
August 12 2014 17:59 GMT
#6
Scarlett is definitely too high, Snute and Bunny have both shown recently that they are able to compete with koreans pretty well while Scarlett hasn't.
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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
August 12 2014 18:02 GMT
#7
Bunny best foreigner <3
myRZeth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1047 Posts
August 12 2014 18:04 GMT
#8
Americans in general have been placed too high in my opinion

Also Showtime is still heavily underrated
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 18:14:41
August 12 2014 18:12 GMT
#9
The differences from a hypothetical power ranking of mine:
- I would swap Dayshi with majOr
- Top 4 is the same as mine
- Showtime in a lower position, and I would rather put uThermal or Suppy.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 12 2014 18:17 GMT
#10
I can't really think of any recent Welmu games for some reason so he seems too high for me. I would probably push Dayshi ahead of him and also swap Scarlett and Snute. Seems like a pretty solid ranking though. Always enjoyed these.
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LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
August 12 2014 18:35 GMT
#11
I love how after Major, almost every player is polled as being "too high"
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
August 12 2014 18:50 GMT
#12
On August 13 2014 03:35 LockeTazeline wrote:
I love how after Major, almost every player is polled as being "too high"


thats standard for these rankings
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jdenst
Profile Joined May 2012
4 Posts
August 12 2014 18:53 GMT
#13
The main change I would make is swapping Scarlett and Snute. I might also consider placing HuK a rank or 2 higher, but I'm not as sure about that.
bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
August 12 2014 19:20 GMT
#14
On August 13 2014 03:35 LockeTazeline wrote:
I love how after Major, almost every player is polled as being "too high"
Given the crop of foreigners we have right now, it feels wrong to see most of them ranked in the top 16 of anything.
>Liquid'Nazgul: Of course you are completely right
Rickyvalle21
Profile Joined July 2012
United States320 Posts
August 12 2014 19:27 GMT
#15
I think Neeb deserves a spot considering hes been taking games off high level koreans like Taeja Polt Revival Arthur and Check
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
August 12 2014 19:34 GMT
#16
The poll should read "Too damn high"
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
August 12 2014 19:35 GMT
#17
On August 13 2014 03:35 LockeTazeline wrote:
I love how after Major, almost every player is polled as being "too high"


Also, this. Everyone is too damn high on the list.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
August 12 2014 19:46 GMT
#18
where is harstem, Starbuck, sjaak?
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Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 19:49:19
August 12 2014 19:49 GMT
#19
Top 5 seems solid, I wouldn't be able to argue that even if I wanted to
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
August 12 2014 19:52 GMT
#20
I felt that without any explanation, the power rank felt really... bland
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2216 Posts
August 12 2014 19:58 GMT
#21
Love the rankings; thanks.

HuK is too low.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 12 2014 20:01 GMT
#22
On August 13 2014 04:46 StarGalaxy wrote:
where is harstem, Starbuck, sjaak?

I could see an argument for the first two more than sjaak. Since beating Axiom, Sjaak has gone 9-17 with losses to Methix, Strange, and Indy among others
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Harstem
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands263 Posts
August 12 2014 20:10 GMT
#23
Targa should be in there, heromarine shouldnt be.
Showtime should be higher, happy a bit lower and I think lilbow should be in there. Not sure who he should replace though
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
August 12 2014 20:13 GMT
#24
On August 13 2014 04:46 StarGalaxy wrote:
where is harstem, Starbuck, sjaak?


I could see 12-16 being interchangeable with Harstem and Starbuck, but not so much for sjaak. He still has to prove himself more than just an All-Kill of Axiom and cheesing through a DH.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 20:23:01
August 12 2014 20:22 GMT
#25
Scarlett... I really don't know about that hair...

Major should be higher, state should be in top 10, maybe haarstem too. showtime and heromarine don't belong on there at all.
If you don't like it, you can quit.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
August 12 2014 20:41 GMT
#26
Nerchio too low! Rest is looking good . I love those rankings, haven't seen one in a while.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
August 12 2014 20:42 GMT
#27
On August 13 2014 05:22 Iodem wrote:
Scarlett... I really don't know about that hair...

Major should be higher, state should be in top 10, maybe haarstem too. showtime and heromarine don't belong on there at all.


I agree with HeroMarine, but Showtime is really, really good.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
August 12 2014 20:54 GMT
#28
I would love to hear why voters think Welmu is too high. I think he is too low!

But again this proves that he is the best foreign protoss
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m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 21:21:12
August 12 2014 21:20 GMT
#29
I have to agree that starbuck should without a doubt be on the list

*Oh, and snute is an obvious 1.
Tosster
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland299 Posts
August 12 2014 21:24 GMT
#30
Huk is way too low, and Scarlett on 1st.. is just fricking BS.
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Profile Joined April 2011
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
August 12 2014 22:24 GMT
#31
All the Team Liquid Fanboys on the liquid forums, watcha gonna do x-D
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Profile Blog Joined January 2013
68 Posts
August 12 2014 22:39 GMT
#32
Stephano is still #1.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United States1557 Posts
August 13 2014 04:53 GMT
#33
I'd put Major at #2, between Scarlett and Snute, and switch Dayshi with Vortix. Otherwise, nothing's too glaringly problematic.
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LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
August 13 2014 06:58 GMT
#34
That bracket would make for a pretty sick TSL5....just sayin'...
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Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
August 13 2014 13:57 GMT
#35
On August 13 2014 15:58 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
That bracket would make for a pretty sick TSL5....just sayin'...

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Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
August 13 2014 15:33 GMT
#36
teamliquid occupying so much space on that list. That is pretty cool how well teamliquid is still doing considering it is one of the oldest teams and how often I see old teams die off.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 13 2014 20:03 GMT
#37
Good list! I would have Snute 1 and Scarlett 2, switched Nerchio and Happy, and had Harstem and maybe TargA instead of Heromarine and Showtime. But good ranking!
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Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
August 16 2014 17:54 GMT
#38
Only one usa player, gg.
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