Shame - Page 13

On June 20 2012 05:41 NicolBolas wrote:

Behold, the very foundation of the elitist attitude of SC1 players. If you just so happen to have been born too late to get into SC1, or if you were busy doing other things, or if for whatever reason you were not part of the SC1 community before SC2 hit, then your knowledge is marginal and your opinions are worthless.

Yes, it's completely impossible to have a worthwhile opinion of SC1 after watching it consistently for only two years. You must have watched Boxer vs. YellOw live, as it happened, or you're not OG enough to even talk about it.

There's a difference between respecting the old guard and disrespecting the new.

On June 18 2012 07:46 GMarshal wrote:
For the very first time in many, many years, I am ashamed to be a brood war fan. To be associated with the veterans who still love a dying game. Actually, no, this isn't true, I'm ashamed of the image a splinter group of brood war vets has tainted us with. I'm ashamed because there is this rampant attitude among some people, a cancer which has taken hold of many of the old guard. This insane notion that because SC2 is destroying BW the fans and the community are to be held responsible for liking a different game, and should be mocked and berated for this. This is the same attitude of a farmer who tends his potato crop and sees it ruined by flood so he goes out an shoots the farmer who's rice crop prospered as a result. Its insane, its bitter, and its shameful. I look around me and I see posts like this







Hell, you can't read a fucking BW live report thread because the whole thread is dedicated to constantly bashing SC2. What kind of asshole community am I a member of that feels the need to berate other's good fortune, simply because we have terrible luck?

I used to think that the broodwar community was the single best gaming community out there, that we weren't like the fighting game communities that felt the need to bash every other fighting game as being for scrubs. That we were better than the DotA community because we were accepting and didn't just flame people at the most minimal provocation. Its a bitter taste to have been proven wrong.

The transition of my favorite players to SC2 is a saddening time me, the knowledge that I will never get to watch another OSL, MSL or any other large tournament with Fash, bisu, soulkey or any others. I won't get to see Sea make a comeback, nor will I get to see the rise of any promising rookies or underdogs. I won't ever be graced with seeing a Hive tech ZvZ ever again. This all weighs heavy on my mind, and I understand that for some people its even worse than for me. That is no excuse. Anger and sadness do not justify the disgusting behaviors I've been witnessing. Its like watching a six year old throw a tantrum at another kid after he accidentally kicks over his sandcastle.

I don't care if you like SC2 or not, I don't care if you think its a moronic exercise of blob vs blob. I don't give a damn if you just can't enjoy the game, no one on earth likes everything, I don't understand the love for kpop, some people don't get why I like ponies. Should I go berate the kpop thread because I don't get it? This kind of behavior is below us. We are the community who tracked down mani when he was out. We are the community who have stayed up at insane hours of the morning, on some wobbly stream so we could watch two teenagers battle in a videogame. We have no right to mock people who do the same simply because its a "worse game" or mock their passion. We would be outraged if some LoL player posted comments like "lol, this game takes no skill, its just sending blobs of stuff at each other" about bw, yet we somehow feel entitled to do the same, simply because their game is responsible for killing bw.

It seems to me, that rather than fighting for a slice of the broodwar community to survive, rather than making a concentrated effort to play, to watch and to find ways to stay afloat even after the pro-koreans all abandon us. We've chosen to blame the SC2 community, simply because they want to grow a game they love, much like we did with BW. We are condemning people who did basically what we did when BW was young, people who share the same passion, albeit for a different game, simply because we are down on our fortune. There is no doubt that it is the rise of SC2 that is killing the korean bw scene, but the fans are not to blame, they are simply people who are passionate for a game. If you must blame anyone, blame the companies who have not chosen to save BW, blame us for not having done enough to save bw, but don't have the gall, the sheer unmitigated hypocrisy, to blame a group of people for being *passionate* for loving a game, because the passion they have when they watch MKP vs DRG is the same passion we had when we cheered for Savior vs Bisu, their cheers when they see a two rax is the same thrill we felt when July sixpooled. If nothing else, we are brothers in passion.

With the death of professional broodwar, we will have suffered a crippling blow. Maybe even a killing blow. But there must be dignity in all things, even the end. How we portray ourselves now is how we will be remembered. So, friends in the broodwar community, I ask you now, do you want to be remembered as a bunch of elitist assholes? or would you prefer to be the shining beacon of excellence I always thought we were? Because as of right now, I know exactly how we are going to be remembered. Make me proud, once again, to be a member of the brood war community.

GMarshal, proud fan of broodwar and D- player, out.

EDIT: Because people are missing the point of this blog (probably because I suck at writing), I'm not saying I hate the BW community, far from it, it is the single best group of people I have had the pleasure of knowing. I'm upset over an attitude I see constantly and that I thought we were better than.

On June 18 2012 07:58 K3Nyy wrote:
I don't think the BW community right now is the same community that was here before SC2. I was kinda shocked too when I read the BW LR threads a while back.. compared to the LR threads back then.

On June 18 2012 07:46 GMarshal wrote:
GMarshal, proud fan of broodwar and D- player, out.

On June 20 2012 07:37 Zergneedsfood wrote:


Where did my post mention that? Why take things out of context? If he's trying to generalize BW players and the BW community based on a limited amount of experience, I have a right to call bullshit, just as much as you have a right to flash your ignorance of the topic in front of everyone.

On June 20 2012 00:40 Chef wrote:
Ya, I was aware the you moved onto poker first. I wonder if that might not have been because your interest in a game is somewhat dependent on being one of the top competitors in it. That thought isn't entirely relevent to the discussion, but I have noticed you played at a very high level in a lot of games, but such dedication can be fatiguing (as it was for Testie and many other players who'd been very good). Put simply, when you no longer have the time or desire to maintain your competitive edge, you have difficulty just playing the game casually having experienced being one of the best in it. I imagine it must be hard for a lot of players to go from being very relevent to being mediocre, as though they have to uphold the skill their name has come to be represented with. Whereas a player like myself who has never dedicated himself enough that it would even matter if he played worse, can continue to enjoy the game without worrying about my reputation. Sort of a similar phenomenon to writer's block... once you've written something very good, it becomes stressful for a lot of people to write again because they feel they need to surpass it or at least live up to it. Where crappy writers can write endlessly because there isn't really a bar they need to meet.

On June 18 2012 07:50 Kuja wrote:
5/5, Great Blog.

On June 20 2012 13:02 PrinceXizor wrote:
What Was sad for me, if when i finally made an account for TL after watching bw for years, i play sc2 a bit, post some stuff, go on the bw forums a little later, post one comment in a thread (i believe it was cheering on someone who was playing bisu). To which the bisu fans attacked me (as expected) semi -lightheartedly, but one of em checked my join date, and i was pretty much run out of the bw section because of my join date. after that i pretty much ignored the BW fans since they definitely acted like they wanted BW to die, by driving away what they saw as a "new" fan just because i posted in sc2 section.

BW fans hate definitely contributed to the fall of BW. it was not some thing they had 0 control over, the foreign scene was dying, they drove out more and more foreign fans for liking sc2, and it almost ended entirely but for the efforts of a few people.

On June 20 2012 13:02 PrinceXizor wrote:
What Was sad for me, if when i finally made an account for TL after watching bw for years, i play sc2 a bit, post some stuff, go on the bw forums a little later, post one comment in a thread (i believe it was cheering on someone who was playing bisu). To which the bisu fans attacked me (as expected) semi -lightheartedly, but one of em checked my join date, and i was pretty much run out of the bw section because of my join date. after that i pretty much ignored the BW fans since they definitely acted like they wanted BW to die, by driving away what they saw as a "new" fan just because i posted in sc2 section.

BW fans hate definitely contributed to the fall of BW. it was not some thing they had 0 control over, the foreign scene was dying, they drove out more and more foreign fans for liking sc2, and it almost ended entirely but for the efforts of a few people.

On June 20 2012 18:18 flashimba wrote:


I must say, this is a fine specimen of a snowflake.

On June 20 2012 18:23 ShadeR wrote:

I remember seeing him in BW forums. Did we really chase him out with flaming torches and pitchforks lol...?

On June 20 2012 11:43 Liquid`Jinro wrote:

All true, though I was never "one of the best" in SC1, I gave up on SC1 because there was no realistic way for me to get to Korea at the time.

On June 20 2012 06:48 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:


i think you show a terrifying ignorant understanding of the depth of brood war, and this post merely proves the point to "bw elitists" who think people like you have no knowledge. because frankly, this post demonstrates not only a lack of knowledge, but also a erroneously held belief that there is no knowledge to be had.

it's best not to dismiss something people are very passionate about as "not very in-depth,." especially considering how this is a very sensitive topic.

On June 20 2012 18:27 corumjhaelen wrote:

To be fair, he might have seen a Lightwip post. Not sure. But if you're not warned, that can be a pretty big shock.

On June 21 2012 02:50 PrinceXizor wrote:

This is possible i remember it was like 1 person who was harrassing the hell out of me for it, and then maybe 1-2 other people joined in and i just gave up.