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United States21994 Posts
For the very first time in many, many years, I am ashamed to be a brood war fan. To be associated with the veterans who still love a dying game. Actually, no, this isn't true, I'm ashamed of the image a splinter group of brood war vets has tainted us with. I'm ashamed because there is this rampant attitude among some people, a cancer which has taken hold of many of the old guard. This insane notion that because SC2 is destroying BW the fans and the community are to be held responsible for liking a different game, and should be mocked and berated for this. This is the same attitude of a farmer who tends his potato crop and sees it ruined by flood so he goes out an shoots the farmer who's rice crop prospered as a result. Its insane, its bitter, and its shameful. I look around me and I see posts like this
I hope the bw pros switch to lol to spite the SCtoo comunity
How boring was SCToo? We played mafia on the MLG Providence floor on the 2nd day while the games were going on. Right through naniwa, nestea, mvp, and the rest of them.
I'm done with proleague. SC2 is a garbage game to watch. I seriously don't know how anyone can watch a game of SC2 and not be bored to tears.
Hell, you can't read a fucking BW live report thread because the whole thread is dedicated to constantly bashing SC2. What kind of asshole community am I a member of that feels the need to berate other's good fortune, simply because we have terrible luck?
I used to think that the broodwar community was the single best gaming community out there, that we weren't like the fighting game communities that felt the need to bash every other fighting game as being for scrubs. That we were better than the DotA community because we were accepting and didn't just flame people at the most minimal provocation. Its a bitter taste to have been proven wrong.
The transition of my favorite players to SC2 is a saddening time me, the knowledge that I will never get to watch another OSL, MSL or any other large tournament with Fash, bisu, soulkey or any others. I won't get to see Sea make a comeback, nor will I get to see the rise of any promising rookies or underdogs. I won't ever be graced with seeing a Hive tech ZvZ ever again. This all weighs heavy on my mind, and I understand that for some people its even worse than for me. That is no excuse. Anger and sadness do not justify the disgusting behaviors I've been witnessing. Its like watching a six year old throw a tantrum at another kid after he accidentally kicks over his sandcastle.
I don't care if you like SC2 or not, I don't care if you think its a moronic exercise of blob vs blob. I don't give a damn if you just can't enjoy the game, no one on earth likes everything, I don't understand the love for kpop, some people don't get why I like ponies. Should I go berate the kpop thread because I don't get it? This kind of behavior is below us. We are the community who tracked down mani when he was out. We are the community who have stayed up at insane hours of the morning, on some wobbly stream so we could watch two teenagers battle in a videogame. We have no right to mock people who do the same simply because its a "worse game" or mock their passion. We would be outraged if some LoL player posted comments like "lol, this game takes no skill, its just sending blobs of stuff at each other" about bw, yet we somehow feel entitled to do the same, simply because their game is responsible for killing bw.
It seems to me, that rather than fighting for a slice of the broodwar community to survive, rather than making a concentrated effort to play, to watch and to find ways to stay afloat even after the pro-koreans all abandon us. We've chosen to blame the SC2 community, simply because they want to grow a game they love, much like we did with BW. We are condemning people who did basically what we did when BW was young, people who share the same passion, albeit for a different game, simply because we are down on our fortune. There is no doubt that it is the rise of SC2 that is killing the korean bw scene, but the fans are not to blame, they are simply people who are passionate for a game. If you must blame anyone, blame the companies who have not chosen to save BW, blame us for not having done enough to save bw, but don't have the gall, the sheer unmitigated hypocrisy, to blame a group of people for being *passionate* for loving a game, because the passion they have when they watch MKP vs DRG is the same passion we had when we cheered for Savior vs Bisu, their cheers when they see a two rax is the same thrill we felt when July sixpooled. If nothing else, we are brothers in passion.
With the death of professional broodwar, we will have suffered a crippling blow. Maybe even a killing blow. But there must be dignity in all things, even the end. How we portray ourselves now is how we will be remembered. So, friends in the broodwar community, I ask you now, do you want to be remembered as a bunch of elitist assholes? or would you prefer to be the shining beacon of excellence I always thought we were? Because as of right now, I know exactly how we are going to be remembered. Make me proud, once again, to be a member of the brood war community.
GMarshal, proud fan of broodwar and D- player, out.
EDIT: Because people are missing the point of this blog (probably because I suck at writing), I'm not saying I hate the BW community, far from it, it is the single best group of people I have had the pleasure of knowing. I'm upset over an attitude I see constantly and that I thought we were better than.
 
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wow you're d-? go practice!
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United States21994 Posts
On June 18 2012 07:49 Complete wrote:
wow you're d-? go practice!
I will as soon as this semester is over, need to stop dying to dt drops >.<
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On June 18 2012 07:46 GMarshal wrote:
I will never get to watch another OSL, MSL or any other large tournament with Fash, bisu, soulkey or any others. I won't get to see Sea make a comeback, nor will I get to see the rise of any promising rookies or underdogs. I won't ever be graced with seeing a Hive tech ZvZ ever again.
This makes me so sad  SC2 is alright though and hopefully it will get better.
Plus, if you're D-, chances are you'll already be better than bronze in SC2 so you won't feel so inferior. Unless you're like D-------- lol
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Really nice blog and I agree with everything you said. I kind of stopped reading the bw threads now of days just because of the fact there is always sc2 bashing.
I love both games and I am sad to see all the bw pros going to sc2, but also excited at the same time. It's conflicting, it's sad for me to know I won't see Jaedong ever make a finals of an osl/msl (yes I know msl is gone) and win to tie Nada's record, to beat flash in the finals like he did in that MSL.
I won't get to see effort potentially become as much of a boss as he was when he retired, I could go on. But I am also a little excited because I am curious to see how sick good they can get, and in general it's a happy/sad time for me. I haven't followed bw as long as many others, but I loved it non the less it really got me into progaming (which I didn't know existed until bw).
It made me see progaming and I will never forget my first bw game of watching jaedong vs fantasy on outsider, the game that made me go in awe at how good they were, to become a huge fan of jaedong and to see a bunker rush that did a lot of damage, jaedong come back, then lose. It was still an amazing game.
In short I will miss bw but am also excited to see how they do in sc2.
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I don't think the BW community right now is the same community that was here before SC2. I was kinda shocked too when I read the BW LR threads a while back.. compared to the LR threads back then.
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Saw ponies, wanted to vote 1, but it's actually a really good blog post otherwise. 5.
One of the reasons people are trying to isolate themselves like that is to maintain a sense of community. By denying everything that is not they, they are affirming themselves. It's what makes people grumpy and unbearable grognards. "in my days starcraft actually took skill bla bla bla bla bla bla".
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Hyrule17288 Posts
haters suck
I never understood why people are mean to each other for dumbshit reasons like "ESS SEE TOO SO MUCH BEDAR THAN BEE DOUBLE YOU FUCK YOU GUYS"
I thought we were supposed to be a welcome and opening community.
You said it better than I could GM.
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I've completely stopped following BW LR for the exact reason you just voiced - it's scary stuff.
I actually feel like the "foreign" BW community is producing some entertaining games, though there is still a long way to the golden days of PL, OSL and MSL they manage to quench my thirst for BW games decently!
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Croatia8146 Posts
This blog makes me angry. Not only are you associating yourself with BW veterans when you joined TL two years ago (yes, join date on TL is a sacred thing), but you're also categorizing whole BW community with couple of comments from LR threads... (and except that first comment, other two comments have nothing to do with being a BW fan).
Sure, BW fans are angry and bitter that the professional BW scene which they watched and loved for last ten years is gonna be no more. But we're mostly angry at the fact that it's not dying a natural death (loss of interest), but it's being killed by various, unnatural reasons (match fixing etc.). So while I'm not defending people who post stuff like that first comment you quoted, I'd just like you to realize where they're coming from.
And yes, this once, feel free to send me angry PMs and 1/5 this blog. Solidify my thoughts. Prove me right, one way or another.
This is also pretty childish. So whoever sends you angry PMs and 1/5 this blog is... proving you right? Give me a break.
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do you want to be remembered as a bunch of elitist assholes?
yes, yes we do
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On June 18 2012 08:14 2Pacalypse- wrote:This blog makes me angry. Not only are you associating yourself with BW veterans when you joined TL two years ago (yes, join date on TL is a sacred thing), but you're also categorizing whole BW community with couple of comments from LR threads... (and except that first comment, other two comments have nothing to do with being a BW fan). Sure, BW fans are angry and bitter that the professional BW scene which they watched and loved for last ten years is gonna be no more. But we're mostly angry at the fact that it's not dying a natural death (loss of interest), but it's being killed by various, unnatural reasons (match fixing etc.). So while I'm not defending people who post stuff like that first comment you quoted, I'd just like you to realize where they're coming from. Show nested quote +And yes, this once, feel free to send me angry PMs and 1/5 this blog. Solidify my thoughts. Prove me right, one way or another. This is also pretty childish. So whoever sends you angry PMs and 1/5 this blog is... proving you right? Give me a break.
In every single thread I read that has anything to do with Brood War/SC2, pretty much every single brood war fan is wishing death on SC2. I don't go on the BW forums, this is just from the news sections and such and any thread on the SC2 forum even mentioning BW.
I think this blog is justified and everyone who reads TL knows it.
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Meh, every generation bashes the previous generation. My ideal SC2 would have been BW with upgraded graphics and maybe 1 new unit for variety, so I can see why guys would feel bitter enough to bash SC2. It has nothing to do with the quality of the game, more like that I am disappointed that I spent $60 on a game that was different from my expectations.
Call me old fashioned, but I prefer the older games I grew up with like: BW/Dota/CS. This is precisely the reason why I'm mostly enjoying playing Dota2 atm and am anxiously awaiting the new installment of CS, which will hopefully be more like 1.6 than source.
tldr: SC2 is different from BW, which causes hardcore BW to bash it. It's similar to how hardcore Dota 2 players bash LoL.
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United States21994 Posts
On June 18 2012 08:14 2Pacalypse- wrote:This blog makes me angry. Not only are you associating yourself with BW veterans when you joined TL two years ago (yes, join date on TL is a sacred thing), but you're also categorizing whole BW community with couple of comments from LR threads... (and except that first comment, other two comments have nothing to do with being a BW fan). Sure, BW fans are angry and bitter that the professional BW scene which they watched and loved for last ten years is gonna be no more. But we're mostly angry at the fact that it's not dying a natural death (loss of interest), but it's being killed by various, unnatural reasons (match fixing etc.). So while I'm not defending people who post stuff like that first comment you quoted, I'd just like you to realize where they're coming from. Show nested quote +And yes, this once, feel free to send me angry PMs and 1/5 this blog. Solidify my thoughts. Prove me right, one way or another. This is also pretty childish. So whoever sends you angry PMs and 1/5 this blog is... proving you right? Give me a break.
I'm angry and bitter that BW is dying. I actually cried when I realized that the broodwar professional scene was no more. I fully get where people are coming from.
I'd like to think that the thousands of hours I've spent watching BW, the amount of threads I've read and the emotional investment i've had in the game make me eligible to consider myself a "vet", regardless of join date. I understand if you disagree though
This whole blog spawned as a response to a lot of post I've been seeing *outside* of the bw section. I'm sorry this blog upsets you, because you are a person I very much respect, but my point stands that being angry doesn't justify these behaviors. I'm categorizing the whole bw community because this is what any outsider looking in is going to see. Go into the flash meme thread, or into any of the multiple threads that even mention BW and SC2 and all you see is a bitter attitude that overshadows any positive comments from any other BW fans. Negativity has a much larger impact than positiveness, and this is how the broodwar community is portraying itself, weather or not you want to consider me a member of it.
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Welp if anything, I am just glad to be reminded not everyone from BW actually thinks like that. I am legit sorry all of you guys are losing something so important to you. Idc how upset you are though, I don't want to be around people who are going to be a complete ass to me just because I like something else.
Thanks GM.
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Croatia8146 Posts
On June 18 2012 08:22 Kurr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:14 2Pacalypse- wrote:This blog makes me angry. Not only are you associating yourself with BW veterans when you joined TL two years ago (yes, join date on TL is a sacred thing), but you're also categorizing whole BW community with couple of comments from LR threads... (and except that first comment, other two comments have nothing to do with being a BW fan). Sure, BW fans are angry and bitter that the professional BW scene which they watched and loved for last ten years is gonna be no more. But we're mostly angry at the fact that it's not dying a natural death (loss of interest), but it's being killed by various, unnatural reasons (match fixing etc.). So while I'm not defending people who post stuff like that first comment you quoted, I'd just like you to realize where they're coming from. And yes, this once, feel free to send me angry PMs and 1/5 this blog. Solidify my thoughts. Prove me right, one way or another. This is also pretty childish. So whoever sends you angry PMs and 1/5 this blog is... proving you right? Give me a break. In every single thread I read that has anything to do with Brood War/SC2, pretty much every single brood war fan is wishing death on SC2. I don't go on the BW forums, this is just from the news sections and such and any thread on the SC2 forum even mentioning BW. I think this blog is justified and everyone who reads TL knows it.
And in every thread like that, for every BW fan wishing the death on SC2, there's a SC2 fan wishing for death on BW, so BW pros can move on to their game and expand their scene even more (before the official announcement of it).
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On June 18 2012 08:27 2Pacalypse- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:22 Kurr wrote:On June 18 2012 08:14 2Pacalypse- wrote:This blog makes me angry. Not only are you associating yourself with BW veterans when you joined TL two years ago (yes, join date on TL is a sacred thing), but you're also categorizing whole BW community with couple of comments from LR threads... (and except that first comment, other two comments have nothing to do with being a BW fan). Sure, BW fans are angry and bitter that the professional BW scene which they watched and loved for last ten years is gonna be no more. But we're mostly angry at the fact that it's not dying a natural death (loss of interest), but it's being killed by various, unnatural reasons (match fixing etc.). So while I'm not defending people who post stuff like that first comment you quoted, I'd just like you to realize where they're coming from. And yes, this once, feel free to send me angry PMs and 1/5 this blog. Solidify my thoughts. Prove me right, one way or another. This is also pretty childish. So whoever sends you angry PMs and 1/5 this blog is... proving you right? Give me a break. In every single thread I read that has anything to do with Brood War/SC2, pretty much every single brood war fan is wishing death on SC2. I don't go on the BW forums, this is just from the news sections and such and any thread on the SC2 forum even mentioning BW. I think this blog is justified and everyone who reads TL knows it. And in every thread like that, for every BW fan wishing the death on SC2, there's a SC2 fan wishing for death on BW, so BW pros can move on to their game and expand their scene even more (before the official announcement of it).
Difference being most of those are <100 post newbies that get banned.
*edit : Also, about 10x or more posters that come here for SC2 than BW so 1:1 is not a flattering ratio for BW posters. Most BW posters are veterans with several hundred posts at least as well and expect to show newbies how the TL forums are supposed to be.
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United States21994 Posts
On June 18 2012 08:27 2Pacalypse- wrote:
There's a SC2 fan wishing for death on BW, so BW pros can move on to their game and expand their scene even more (before the official announcement of it).
And those guys are jerks and assholes and a scourge on the SC2 community. "He did it first" is not a decent defense. Not when we are supposed to be a mature community.
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It sucks but it's pretty obvious it's never going to stop in either direction. I mean BW and SC2 fans always call each other out regardless of what's happening, good stuff bad stuff. "You guys" and "Them" and that sort of thing. It's just a split community and it's going to remain that way (most likely)
Truthfully, it's vocal minorities that are all doing most of it, but it doesn't prevent it from trashing the site for everyone. You don't go posting about how MUSLIM SUCKS COMPARED TO CHRISTIANITY and even though it's fundamentally different, you shouldn't go around posting about how BW SO OLD AND SHIT COMPARED TO SC2 or SC2 SO LAME AND BORING COMPARED TO BW.
It's just the nature of the community.
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