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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
June 18 2012 00:29 GMT
#41
<3 GMarshal 5/5
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
June 18 2012 00:36 GMT
#42
I fucking still love both games.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
June 18 2012 00:39 GMT
#43
I thought about making a post like this once but I figured people would call me a hypocrite because the stance I took on sc2 in the early days (self proclaimed sc2 hater/bw elitist etc). Its hilarious just how angry the hardcore BW folks are and I'm glad I don't take part in their circlejerk anymore. Foreign BW is and always will be a joke, so not much of a loss.
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 00:42:59
June 18 2012 00:42 GMT
#44
On June 18 2012 08:14 2Pacalypse- wrote:
This blog makes me angry. Not only are you associating yourself with BW veterans when you joined TL two years ago (yes, join date on TL is a sacred thing), but you're also categorizing whole BW community with couple of comments from LR threads... (and except that first comment, other two comments have nothing to do with being a BW fan).

Sure, BW fans are angry and bitter that the professional BW scene which they watched and loved for last ten years is gonna be no more. But we're mostly angry at the fact that it's not dying a natural death (loss of interest), but it's being killed by various, unnatural reasons (match fixing etc.). So while I'm not defending people who post stuff like that first comment you quoted, I'd just like you to realize where they're coming from.

Show nested quote +
And yes, this once, feel free to send me angry PMs and 1/5 this blog. Solidify my thoughts. Prove me right, one way or another.

This is also pretty childish. So whoever sends you angry PMs and 1/5 this blog is... proving you right? Give me a break.

And I in turn think its childish to pretend that the fact you joined a little bit earlier than the OP makes you more important or something. Heck, you don't see me swinging around my e-weiner because I started playing sc in a time where Nazgul was still to be spotted in NLD-1, where ret was still known as .pr.ide and where the existence of really good players from Korea was only recently being discovered.

My point is: I hate the "I've been here longer then you" arguments. Also I think that the OP is somewhat right.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
June 18 2012 00:42 GMT
#45
There is no doubt that it is the rise of SC2 that is killing the korean bw scene
No, it is the rise of LoL.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
June 18 2012 00:59 GMT
#46
On June 18 2012 09:42 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
There is no doubt that it is the rise of SC2 that is killing the korean bw scene
No, it is the rise of LoL.


I thought I already made it clear to you in the other thread that that was not the case. If anything, stop being so jealous of LoL for being so successful where SC2 wasn't in Korea.
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
June 18 2012 01:04 GMT
#47
I like to think I was more active before SC2 completely took over but tbh I've always been a bit of a lurker. Maybe the hate will stop one day and there will be peace around here again, and maybe there won't, but for now I'm gonna be lurking pretty hard until the hype dies down and people start being more respectful of both sides. It's hard to take part in any area of the place when I have this thorn of the SC2 vs BW flamewar in the back of my brain whenever I come here.
Please PM me with any songs you like that you think I haven't heard before!
SatelliteNoodles
Profile Joined June 2011
220 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 01:20:00
June 18 2012 01:05 GMT
#48
Ok BW bethrens!
+ Show Spoiler +
Im not implying every elitist veteran as assholes, I just took it from op

Poll: Would you rather be called

Elitist assholes, who blames everything to their sibling? (40)
 
75%

Beacon of excellence, who help nourish the young sc2 to become a better game? (13)
 
25%

53 total votes

Your vote: Would you rather be called

(Vote): Elitist assholes, who blames everything to their sibling?
(Vote): Beacon of excellence, who help nourish the young sc2 to become a better game?




I understand that sc2 is young and needs time to balance, I also hope that the kespa transition will help innovate the game.

As for now, I will cherish the last bw season.
+ Show Spoiler +
PS: I dont have sc2 and I hope DB doesnt screw things up after LotV and turn this to another C&C game.
GIVE ME COMMAND... - Yell0w ­­­
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
June 18 2012 01:12 GMT
#49
On June 18 2012 09:59 jpak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 09:42 figq wrote:
There is no doubt that it is the rise of SC2 that is killing the korean bw scene
No, it is the rise of LoL.


I thought I already made it clear to you in the other thread that that was not the case. If anything, stop being so jealous of LoL for being so successful where SC2 wasn't in Korea.
So you admit that LoL is more successful than SC2 and BW in Korea at the moment - and it happens to be on OGN, which inevitably leads to OGN reducing their RTS TV time. Which proves my point.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
June 18 2012 01:12 GMT
#50
On June 18 2012 09:42 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
There is no doubt that it is the rise of SC2 that is killing the korean bw scene
No, it is the rise of LoL.

Kpop

The only LR threads I ever step into are the ones on the weekends. And usually I'm the only person posting time after time to myself, I'm not really sure where all the SC2 bashing comes in? Unless thats my unusual LR.

I hate how the game I've loved for as long as I can remember is coming to an end, I watch star2 as much as I can to try and find something that'll try and get me a portion of what I enjoyed from the early days, even now. The voices of the few, don't reflect the many.

If OGN just scrapped BW, took a season off and brought back straight up StarCraft 2 Proleague, and OSL, I'd be a little happier about this, I don't enjoy the hybrid league, but I live with what I there is.

tldr; Sure some BW elitists want Star2 to die, not all of us want to act like children. Sure star2 fans are rubbing it in our faces that our game is dying, take it, show them what we enjoyed, those who take the time to look, help them bring out the full potential in star2.
We all need to respect each other more.
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
hooktits
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States972 Posts
June 18 2012 01:13 GMT
#51
loved your blog gmarshal wish others could see things like you, i don't want to see communities divided.
Hooktits of Tits gaming @hooktits twit
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19210 Posts
June 18 2012 01:15 GMT
#52
It seems like a lot of people are completely okay with people bashing on the other game in hybrid threads. There can be completely civil discussion or debate about the games without resorting to "fuck you and your entire family because SC2/BW is killing BW/SC2 and you are directly responsible for that".

Fuck everyone who does that. BW fans should let other BW fans know that's not cool, and same with SC2 fans.

Yeah, a big part of my life is coming to a close, but that doesn't mean I get to viciously attack others. What the hell is wrong with people?
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
Leyra
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1222 Posts
June 18 2012 01:15 GMT
#53
Great blog! As a fan of both games, who's migrated into SC2 primarily, I just don't get it, it's dumb. Both games have their strengths and weaknesses, I just feel like BW fans have some pent up frustration cause the game is on the way out, and they take it out by raging at SC2, whereas SC2 fans have a "little brother" mentality and they're always trying to 1-up the big bro.

That, and everyone on the internet is a whiny bunghole, and they look for things to troll and argue about :D
djcube
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States985 Posts
June 18 2012 01:19 GMT
#54
Your comment about d- reminded me how ridiculous it is when I see d level bw players bashing sc2 about the latter's lack of strategic depth and easy mechanics.
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
June 18 2012 01:33 GMT
#55
On June 18 2012 10:12 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 09:59 jpak wrote:
On June 18 2012 09:42 figq wrote:
There is no doubt that it is the rise of SC2 that is killing the korean bw scene
No, it is the rise of LoL.


I thought I already made it clear to you in the other thread that that was not the case. If anything, stop being so jealous of LoL for being so successful where SC2 wasn't in Korea.
So you admit that LoL is more successful than SC2 and BW in Korea at the moment - and it happens to be on OGN, which inevitably leads to OGN reducing their RTS TV time. Which proves my point.


Do you think I care how successful SC2 is in Korea? No. Why do you assume I care about all RTS? I already said that BW was dying long before LoL came into Korea with the match fixing, ip lawsuits, and the release of the sequel SC2. I spouted long before about LoL's success, and I had no bad feelings for it because it did not affect BW. As I said to another guy regarding hurting BW by supporting LoL, "It's already dead! You cannot hurt what is already dead."
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
June 18 2012 01:37 GMT
#56
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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4400 Posts
June 18 2012 01:40 GMT
#57
Marshal it IS sc2's fault that pro Brood War will die. Blizzard actively killed it, this new game actively killed it.

Something that a lot of people loved has been taken away. Instead they try to forcefeed us something inferior instead. People are upset about it, how can you not understand this?
Sucker for nostalgia
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 01:46:33
June 18 2012 01:43 GMT
#58
On June 18 2012 10:40 DropBear wrote:
Marshal it IS sc2's fault that pro Brood War will die. Blizzard actively killed it, this new game actively killed it.

Something that a lot of people loved has been taken away. Instead they try to forcefeed us something inferior instead. People are upset about it, how can you not understand this?

I do. I really really do. But it still isn't the fault of the fans of SC2, if anything blame blizzard and kespa. Taking it out on the fans of SC2 is spiteful and wrong. I said at least 3 times that SC2 killed bw.

"I'm angry" is not an excuse for being poisonous. I get being angry. Its a poor excuse though.
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sTsCaboose
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States10 Posts
June 18 2012 01:48 GMT
#59
I wish people could view Sc2 and BW like 2 differant games not the same. For example, there arn't giant threads and discussions about how basketball is better than soccer and vice versa. Both are amazing but are VERY differant. 5/5 man enjoyed the thread
“All warfare is based on deception.” ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 18 2012 01:50 GMT
#60
All I can say is that when they said BW was the 'manliest' game, back in the day, I had no problem agreeing. I simply can't bring myself to see the same description applying to sc2. The rugged limitations in the interface were the perfect level of user aid and user hindrance. It is basically the gold standard of competitive games...

Nothing will be able to bring back the joy of following those BW tournies. But this grief aside, I agree that there's no point being overly bitter about it and actually attacking SC2 fans for their game stealing the thunder of its predecessor. Although it is a bit annoying when sc2 fans don't know their history and don't realise WHY koreans are so incredibly respected in this game series, always trying to push focus onto foreigners and getting angry when people who came from bw keep mentioning koreans! I mean, TL after all was always the site which focused on the best players regardless of race (which obviously were all korean) and GosuGamers who constantly went on about foreigners.
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