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On June 18 2012 12:35 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 12:31 Motiva wrote:
As a rabid BW fan before SC2 I often find myself caught somewhere in this territory.
I feel like BW is the better game but that I could never go back for all the obvious reasons. So I keep on playing SC2. In BW there was no justified complaining about the game.. but with SC2 everyone has plenty to complain about even if they didn't play any BW and/or it doesn't fit their ideal of Starcraft-RTS... So I understand all of the complaining from whatever angle. Sometimes I even feel like a lot of the SC2 hate from BW vets is net long-term good for SC2, but the real problem is people spewing their nonsense where it doesn't belong. Low content high anger posts really only detract regardless of the rest and that's how i feel about it all. I don't mean to talk about you directly but the first part of your post reminds me of so many of my friends that switched to SC2 from BW. I always ask them why and point how how so many units are way cooler in BW etc and they always reply with "well it's easier to play" or "well SC2 has more fair units" and I always thought that was what made BW so great in the first part and why we all chose to play this old-ass game. I just can't wrap my head around that viewpoint :\ (again not saying this is what you are saying, but it reminded me of what my friends said)
Hmm I agree with what you're saying actually. That is why we chose to play BW. I couldn't switch back mostly because of the horrendous habits I've formed as a bad SC2 player (selecting all my workers then trying to build a creep colony ect), and the amount of friends I can enjoy the game with... and the scene and so forth. Of course if i was a serious RTS player most of these would be empty and I would either have to say "For the $" or "I play BW only" <3
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It will stop my friend, it always stops.
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As a PLAYER of BW, not just a watcher, it affects me a lot more than just someone who casually watches BW. I won't have any more heroes to look up to, and there won't be any more maps that will be made. Atm, I can't pretend to say I like playing SC2, but that does not mean that I have hope for the future.
It's a really really rough time for BW fans as well as progamers. There are those of us who will run around with torches and pitchforks, and there are those of us who know to keep the fire contained. There's a reason why BW fans only post in the BW section, cause we know that there are alot of other people who share the same opinions. The reason we go around calling things "groundArbiters" and "rampStasis", and post up 100 Dustin Browder memes is cause it's humorous. Even in these dark times, BW fans have to find some way of letting it out. Imo, I think letting it out in this way is alot better than blatant hate.
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I came for chaos.
Calling them a splinter group is so cool lol.
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On June 18 2012 13:50 Nazza wrote:
As a PLAYER of BW, not just a watcher, it affects me a lot more than just someone who casually watches BW. I won't have any more heroes to look up to, and there won't be any more maps that will be made. Atm, I can't pretend to say I like playing SC2, but that does not mean that I have hope for the future.
It's a really really rough time for BW fans as well as progamers. There are those of us who will run around with torches and pitchforks, and there are those of us who know to keep the fire contained. There's a reason why BW fans only post in the BW section, cause we know that there are alot of other people who share the same opinions. The reason we go around calling things "groundArbiters" and "rampStasis", and post up 100 Dustin Browder memes is cause it's humorous. Even in these dark times, BW fans have to find some way of letting it out. Imo, I think letting it out in this way is alot better than blatant hate.
oh yea I totally forgot there will never be new maps again :\.
although if you just go by iccup and fish, there hasn't been a new map since when fighting spirit came out.
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United States33347 Posts
one sec, unbanning kiante so he can reply to this post
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On June 18 2012 12:58 Kiante wrote:
it devalues everything you write when you end it with dumb matyring
oh shit nm didn't know your self requested ban was up D:
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BW has been dieing for a while, sponsors leaving, teams disbanding etc.
SC2 and LoL only provided a way out for the BW pro's.
Sucks if you don't like those games, but that's not really any1's problem.
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I consider myself a BW fan. I love it to death. I still play it a ton, and I'm trying to get into the foreign community, and I think it's fine right now. You're just looking at the wrong places. I think the DRTL, ISL, ASL, etc. threads are quite good generally. The ones with interviews and summaries are filled with interesting information. I also love the fact that we get ex-pros streaming on Twitch now. It's incredible. And I love the small, close-knit community feel that comes from it.
I abhor the fact that Korean pro-BW is dying. I feel like Ideas, in that I don't want to watch these players, whom I cherished and loved, play a horrible match that ruins my idea of them. Taekbang Leessang and Fanta are supposed to be infallible. They're supposed to have insane reaction times, builds, timings, etc. that makes me drop my jaw in awe. I don't want to watch a new season where they're just as mediocre as hyvaa or Roro or somebody. So I don't watch Proleague anymore. Maybe when they get good at SC2, I will for the players, because as Harem said, support the players, but for now, I want to keep my image of my BW idols. Because... isn't that what matters at the end of the day? Our pristine images of Yellow as the Storm Zerg, Boxer as the Emperor, OoV as the Cheater Terran, NaDa as the genius terran, Flash as God, and Jaedong as the Tyrant? I don't remember them as mediocre SC2 players or has-been BW players at the end of their careers. I remember them at their prime, and Korean BW's prime has ended. I'll cherish it well, but I don't want to ruin its image now. It's too late now.
To be honest, I wish Alethios's article were true. Korean BW wasn't downed quickly in its prime. Sure it was cut, but now, it's just bleeding a slow, agonizing death. I can't bear to watch my friend die like that.
That said, I don't hate SC2. I think the community's fine. The game can be entertaining. I like watching MLGs, Dreamhacks, IPLs, etc. I mean, there are too many games for my taste, but I loved the KeSPA invitational. I'm going to enjoy Dreamhack (GO TL!). I thought DRG vs Alicia was hella entertaining.
But it's nowhere near the heights of BW. Even games like Stephano vs Polt at MLG had stupid lapses of attention, poor multitasking, late reactions, and shitty decision making when compared to the pristine matches of Leessang-rok or Jangbi vs Fantasy. And that makes me bitter. It makes me bitter as hell. I can't believe such incredible games like Bisu vs Flash at the end of Proleague is being replaced by shit like this. YOU CAN'T EVEN FORCEFIELD CORRECTLY! But then, I get a sense of elitism. Ha! You can't play as well as our pros! They'll crush you! You just wait! And I totally understand how people are posting such hateful, spiteful messages in the BW threads. Hell, I feel the same way. Fuck you SC2 for taking my pros away and making them play such shitty games like that, filled with micro-restrictions and everything! Fuck you SC2 for taking away those beautiful BW News posts! Fuck you SC2 for taking away Stork's reaver micro, Jaedong's Mutas, and Fantasy's vultures! I don't even like Fantasy!
I don't post such hateful messages, though. There's no point. Pro-BW will die, and I'll have to accept it. I hate it, I hate it to death, but I'll have to accept it. There's no point to my hate either. It's all just emotional outpourings out of grief and sadness. At the end of the day, my hate doesn't mean anything. SC2 will grow anyway. My favorite BW players have moved on. I already watch the game and get tense excitement out of it sometime. Why should I post such messages when the SC2 community is filled with incredible people anyway? No, it's better to leave my rants and temper tantrums to myself, and it's better to just watch with joy as the foreign community tries to grow up again. To watch this new home grown community find a place for itself and earn sustainability, hopefully as well as the FGC. It's time to get some new heroes in BW for me, like Sziky, Sneazel, KC, and Pike. It's time to love whatever I can get as I watch Eagle and Larva stream, and hope for more like Mahell and Minho. Besides, I think having a positive outlook makes me happier too.
So, to wrap up this uber-long post, to hell with hate. I'd rather be happy. 
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
didn't read ur blog
but kill urself
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On June 18 2012 11:48 EienShinwa wrote:I think the situation is simply best described as how one BW coach said it. It was something along the lines of: Show nested quote +STX Coach Lee: I think Blizzard named their new game very well. If the name of SC2 wasn’t “StarCraft 2”, I’m quite certain we wouldn’t even need to have this talk right now. This is the statement and reason why SC:BW fans are having such a fit. Nothing more to add really.
Well it is a sequal to starcraft 1 so yeah not surprising to see blizzard not name it something else.
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On June 18 2012 09:13 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
First of all -- what BW fans? Everyone is gone. Mustaju (could never spell his name right), kona, DH, Zona... Some cameos are made Hyde, or GTR, but where are Roffles, LoLwip, StorkHwaiting, Megalisk(uuu)? It's gotten so bad that there wasn't even a BW LR thread for ACE vs CJ. Got that? No one wanted to spend 2 minutes to piece together an LR, myself included.
The quality of BW went down way too much I couldn't enjoy it anymore. I really do miss thoe old days of makin LR threads and bs'ing around in stream chats, I don't even watch the BW games in proleague anymore  (although I stopped watching entirely months ago). I too wish that they would have just gotten rid of BW, let the pros practice 1 game and not have them overworked, I'm sure the korean fans would have watched regardless. I enjoy sc2 though, so NP.
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On June 18 2012 08:14 2Pacalypse- wrote:This blog makes me angry. Not only are you associating yourself with BW veterans when you joined TL two years ago (yes, join date on TL is a sacred thing), but you're also categorizing whole BW community with couple of comments from LR threads... (and except that first comment, other two comments have nothing to do with being a BW fan). Sure, BW fans are angry and bitter that the professional BW scene which they watched and loved for last ten years is gonna be no more. But we're mostly angry at the fact that it's not dying a natural death (loss of interest), but it's being killed by various, unnatural reasons (match fixing etc.). So while I'm not defending people who post stuff like that first comment you quoted, I'd just like you to realize where they're coming from. Show nested quote +And yes, this once, feel free to send me angry PMs and 1/5 this blog. Solidify my thoughts. Prove me right, one way or another. This is also pretty childish. So whoever sends you angry PMs and 1/5 this blog is... proving you right? Give me a break.
This post makes me angry. 2006, veteran? I've been here since 2002, get off my lawn.
What the BW community has become started sickening me a long time ago, and I've seen the same kind of decay in other games too... and it saddens me everytime. Beautiful game, but it's time for it to go - you are kidding yourself if you think it's purely SC2 or matchfixing's fault that its time is now coming to an end.
It does kinda piss me off how elitist people who - comparatively - are complete newcomers (2-3 years) to BW progaming, can get -- Yeah, you started watching when Savior was at his prime, I watched Sync vs H.O.T and I still feel pretty newschool compared to the guys who used to post on here back then -_-
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I stopped watching hybrid league after a week or 2, the game quality is simply bad. While i can enjoy both games separately i cant watch it "side by side", two different philosophies, almost contradicting each other. So im in slightly better position than most of BW fans who don't watch SC2. If i had to watch BW only in this time i would be as frustrated as them probably. And yes BW is better than SC2 so its a shame.
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On June 18 2012 16:31 Rekrul wrote:
didn't read ur blog
but kill urself
LOL awesome. Dammit rekrul these responses always make me laugh, I wish I could casually throw them out there without worrying about being permed.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On June 18 2012 16:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 08:14 2Pacalypse- wrote:This blog makes me angry. Not only are you associating yourself with BW veterans when you joined TL two years ago (yes, join date on TL is a sacred thing), but you're also categorizing whole BW community with couple of comments from LR threads... (and except that first comment, other two comments have nothing to do with being a BW fan). Sure, BW fans are angry and bitter that the professional BW scene which they watched and loved for last ten years is gonna be no more. But we're mostly angry at the fact that it's not dying a natural death (loss of interest), but it's being killed by various, unnatural reasons (match fixing etc.). So while I'm not defending people who post stuff like that first comment you quoted, I'd just like you to realize where they're coming from. And yes, this once, feel free to send me angry PMs and 1/5 this blog. Solidify my thoughts. Prove me right, one way or another. This is also pretty childish. So whoever sends you angry PMs and 1/5 this blog is... proving you right? Give me a break. This post makes me angry. 2006, veteran? I've been here since 2002, get off my lawn. What the BW community has become started sickening me a long time ago, and I've seen the same kind of decay in other games too... and it saddens me everytime. Beautiful game, but it's time for it to go - you are kidding yourself if you think it's purely SC2 or matchfixing's fault that its time is now coming to an end. It does kinda piss me off how elitist people who - comparatively - are complete newcomers (2-3 years) to BW progaming, can get -- Yeah, you started watching when Savior was at his prime, I watched Sync vs H.O.T and I still feel pretty newschool compared to the guys who used to post on here back then -_-
but...talking shit about sc2 and being a bw elitist is fun
don't hate on us for hating, we love to hate, theres nothing left to do with our time now
why so 진지해 everyone?
like...shame??? seriously?
LOL.
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On June 18 2012 16:54 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 16:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On June 18 2012 08:14 2Pacalypse- wrote:This blog makes me angry. Not only are you associating yourself with BW veterans when you joined TL two years ago (yes, join date on TL is a sacred thing), but you're also categorizing whole BW community with couple of comments from LR threads... (and except that first comment, other two comments have nothing to do with being a BW fan). Sure, BW fans are angry and bitter that the professional BW scene which they watched and loved for last ten years is gonna be no more. But we're mostly angry at the fact that it's not dying a natural death (loss of interest), but it's being killed by various, unnatural reasons (match fixing etc.). So while I'm not defending people who post stuff like that first comment you quoted, I'd just like you to realize where they're coming from. And yes, this once, feel free to send me angry PMs and 1/5 this blog. Solidify my thoughts. Prove me right, one way or another. This is also pretty childish. So whoever sends you angry PMs and 1/5 this blog is... proving you right? Give me a break. This post makes me angry. 2006, veteran? I've been here since 2002, get off my lawn. What the BW community has become started sickening me a long time ago, and I've seen the same kind of decay in other games too... and it saddens me everytime. Beautiful game, but it's time for it to go - you are kidding yourself if you think it's purely SC2 or matchfixing's fault that its time is now coming to an end. It does kinda piss me off how elitist people who - comparatively - are complete newcomers (2-3 years) to BW progaming, can get -- Yeah, you started watching when Savior was at his prime, I watched Sync vs H.O.T and I still feel pretty newschool compared to the guys who used to post on here back then -_- but...talking shit about sc2 and being a bw elitist is fun don't hate on us for hating, we love to hate, theres nothing left to do with our time now why so 진지해 everyone?
Because ESPORTS amirite?
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Hyrule19034 Posts
On June 18 2012 16:54 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 16:48 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On June 18 2012 08:14 2Pacalypse- wrote:This blog makes me angry. Not only are you associating yourself with BW veterans when you joined TL two years ago (yes, join date on TL is a sacred thing), but you're also categorizing whole BW community with couple of comments from LR threads... (and except that first comment, other two comments have nothing to do with being a BW fan). Sure, BW fans are angry and bitter that the professional BW scene which they watched and loved for last ten years is gonna be no more. But we're mostly angry at the fact that it's not dying a natural death (loss of interest), but it's being killed by various, unnatural reasons (match fixing etc.). So while I'm not defending people who post stuff like that first comment you quoted, I'd just like you to realize where they're coming from. And yes, this once, feel free to send me angry PMs and 1/5 this blog. Solidify my thoughts. Prove me right, one way or another. This is also pretty childish. So whoever sends you angry PMs and 1/5 this blog is... proving you right? Give me a break. This post makes me angry. 2006, veteran? I've been here since 2002, get off my lawn. What the BW community has become started sickening me a long time ago, and I've seen the same kind of decay in other games too... and it saddens me everytime. Beautiful game, but it's time for it to go - you are kidding yourself if you think it's purely SC2 or matchfixing's fault that its time is now coming to an end. It does kinda piss me off how elitist people who - comparatively - are complete newcomers (2-3 years) to BW progaming, can get -- Yeah, you started watching when Savior was at his prime, I watched Sync vs H.O.T and I still feel pretty newschool compared to the guys who used to post on here back then -_- but...talking shit about sc2 and being a bw elitist is fun don't hate on us for hating, we love to hate, theres nothing left to do with our time now why so 진지해 everyone? like...shame??? seriously? LOL.
Go shit on Halo, not people who enjoy SC.
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